Gun Laws in Thailand

[Kwasaki]

21 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

I got up to A in Sporting Gun . Started with an old Fabarm thing,then 682 Multi Barreta ended up with a Parrazi that didn't Realy need me to Hit Em . Regard it like TAs Pontiac.??
 

Ace not wanting to be spell cop but l like Beretta's but not so much Perazzi.  

 

I got to belonged to a sporting club but l was a bit of Delboy and went along first with my pride & joy a Remington pump,  quite a few there were into the upmanship talking about one shotgun vs another and laugh at me, soon wiped the smirk off their faces scoring high than them on 10 set ups.  

Had mostly done rough shooting before joining the club and took my Rizzini side by side a single Baikal as well as my pump & the Toby the Springer.

When me and shooting mates started going competitions around south England l bought my bute Beretta 686 multi-choke over & under with matte black 28" barrels. 

 

You remind me of someone at sporting club said l should bought 682 like his l showed him a quote similar like this,  Beretta isn’t going to like this, but here’s are the facts: - The 686 is mechanically identical to the 682. There!. Yes, I know that the 682 costs about twice what the 686 does, but apart from some aesthetic differences when you look inside they are the same gun. The interior parts are interchangeable. Both guns will all last the same amount of time.  

[Arkady]

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[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, transam said:

You will laugh, I gave up the sport a bit before they took away gun licenses, why, one day at our club a guy turned up with his gun and ammo in a Russian Army uniform, he was English.....

 

So, as the song goes..."We gotta get out of this place"....

Well same old same old, nowt funnier than folk.

 

The Russian Baikal's 12 bore singles were a good old gun for starters bought mine for £34 and use to call it Betsy,  taught a good few first timers wanting to try out a shotgun, got a lot of laughs and many a bruised shoulder.

 

Who took away gun licences. ? ?

[Arkady]

2 hours ago, Ace of Pop said:

Most Cities have a Clay Pigeon type range nearby ,I found them rather expensive though , been to a Handgun Range , much cheaper ,and with being a member could legally own a Gun . But living in Thailand where they vet their Imegrants I see little need for one.?


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In Bangkok there is the Sports Authority of Thailand Olympic style trap and skeet range at Ramkhamhaeng and Phumphailin in the North of Bangkok which has a sporting clays range.  The Sports Authority is quite serious and used by the national team but they do accept foreign members at a higher membership fee and the fees are quite expensive for all.  No guns for rent.  I haven't been to Phumphailin yet but it is private sector and likely to be a bit less uptight and sporting clays is still not an Olympic discipline AFAIK.  Will report back, when I have had a chance to go there.    

[Kwasaki]

1 minute ago, Arkady said:

 

In Bangkok there is the Sports Authority of Thailand Olympic style trap and skeet range at Ramkhamhaeng and Phumphailin in the North of Bangkok which has a sporting clays range.  The Sports Authority is quite serious and used by the national team but they do accept foreign members at a higher membership fee and the fees are quite expensive for all.  No guns for rent.  I haven't been to Phumphailin yet but it is private sector and likely to be a bit less uptight and sporting clays is still not an Olympic discipline AFAIK.  Will report back, when I have had a chance to go there.    

Yeah checked out la good while back,  afraid too far and too expensive for me.

Didn't realize you were into shotguns.

[Ace of Pop]

Many lost their Licence from ignoring the Secure Gun Cabinet Law Recon TA kept his Gun in the Car and his beloved Pressure Gauges in the Locker.?


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[Arkady]

33 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Ace not wanting to be spell cop but l like Beretta's but not so much Perazzi.  

 

I got to belonged to a sporting club but l was a bit of Delboy and went along first with my pride & joy a Remington pump,  quite a few there were into the upmanship talking about one shotgun vs another and laugh at me, soon wiped the smirk off their faces scoring high than them on 10 set ups.  

Had mostly done rough shooting before joining the club and took my Rizzini side by side a single Baikal as well as my pump & the Toby the Springer.

When me and shooting mates started going competitions around south England l bought my bute Beretta 686 multi-choke over & under with matte black 28" barrels. 

 

You remind me of someone at sporting club said l should bought 682 like his l showed him a quote similar like this,  Beretta isn’t going to like this, but here’s are the facts: - The 686 is mechanically identical to the 682. There!. Yes, I know that the 682 costs about twice what the 686 does, but apart from some aesthetic differences when you look inside they are the same gun. The interior parts are interchangeable. Both guns will all last the same amount of time.  

 

I have an old Beretta 686 trap gun with 30.5" barrels.  It is set up for trap which is stamped on the barrel and patterns quite high, as is normal for trap due to the rising trajectory of the clays.  More recent 686s have changeable chokes but this one is fixed.  I haven't used it for a while apart from spraying silhouette targets to check the patterning.  I have an itch to take it out to Phumphailin one day, even though its not ideal for sporting clays which are often falling targets, for which a level patterning is better.   

 

Re gun snobbery.  There's nothing wrong with people wanting to collect and enjoy the nicest models for all disciplines, if they have the money, and it's fun to try them out when other's buy them (I am hoping to try out a friend's new Les Baer .45 1911 Custom any day now).  But, as you say, it doesn't necessarily make them better shooters, although having a spanking new top of the line firearm might encourage them to go to the range and practice more.  If you look at Hickock45's YouTube channel, he is always saying that the basic production models usually shoot better than him and he is a good shot.    As champion speed revolver shooter Jerry Miculek is fond of saying, "Be the first guy at the range when it opens and the last guy to leave", if you want to shoot like him.

[Arkady]

18 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah checked out la good while back,  afraid too far and too expensive for me.

Didn't realize you were into shotguns.

 

I am not really but have two.  Apart from the Beretta 686, bought second hand nearly 20 years ago, I have a Turkish Hatsan Escort MPA TS which is very much looked down on by the gun snobs.  It's fun for shooting steel plates from time to time and I do better with it than with a friend's Benelli M1.  It is actually a copy externally of the Benelli M4 used by US marines , which is over B150k in Thailand, except that internally it has a bog standard gas system instead of the M4's fancy proprietary system.

[Ace of Pop]

Never noticed any Gun Snobery, just heated competition from the Top Guns, but never got to Double A Level .There was always a good crowd at Garlands Shoting Ground where I learned Olimpic Trap in the end,years ago.?


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[bazza73]

Are there any falangs in Chiang Mai that go to the 333 range at Doi Saket?

[roo860]

I got up to A in Sporting Gun . Started with an old Fabarm thing,then 682 Multi Barreta ended up with a Parrazi that didn't Realy need me toHit Em . Regard it like TAs Pontiac.??


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There's a coincidence, I had the Fabarm Gamma, then the Barreta 682, the Winchester 101 multi was also a good all rounder.

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[roo860]

Never noticed any Gun Snobery, just heated competition from the Top Guns, but never got to Double A Level .There was always a good crowd at Garlands Shoting Ground where I learned Olimpic Trap in the end,years ago.?


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Bought a few guns from there years gone by!!!!

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[Kwasaki]

6 hours ago, Arkady said:

Re gun snobbery.  There's nothing wrong with people wanting to collect and enjoy the nicest models for all disciplines,

Understand but being laughed at a gun club because of the gun you have is not sporting IMO it's snobbery. 

[Kwasaki]

6 hours ago, Arkady said:

 

I am not really but have two.  Apart from the Beretta 686, bought second hand nearly 20 years ago, I have a Turkish Hatsan Escort MPA TS which is very much looked down on by the gun snobs.  It's fun for shooting steel plates from time to time and I do better with it than with a friend's Benelli M1.  It is actually a copy externally of the Benelli M4 used by US marines , which is over B150k in Thailand, except that internally it has a bog standard gas system instead of the M4's fancy proprietary system.

That's a cool post and l would like to say l have no problem with Baikal's especially when you think about where AK47's came from.  

[Kwasaki]

3 hours ago, bazza73 said:

Are there any falangs in Chiang Mai that go to the 333 range at Doi Saket?

What dat what do they do there. 

[Kwasaki]

6 hours ago, Ace of Pop said:

Many lost their Licence from ignoring the Secure Gun Cabinet Law Recon TA kept his Gun in the Car and his beloved Pressure Gauges in the Locker.?


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Waiting to hear from Trans on that l understand what you are referring too if Thailand did the same thing as UK gun law, l think there would be lots of protests. 

[bazza73]

On 6/8/2017 at 6:25 PM, Kwasaki said:

What dat what do they do there. 

Practise shooting, I guess

[Kwasaki]

10 hours ago, bazza73 said:

Practise shooting, I guess

I was wondering whether you meant by 333 the army camp in CM that' l have been a few times shooting Glock 17.

 

[Ace of Pop]

The Koala Gun Club Member just Eats Shoots and Leaves. ?


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[Ace of Pop]

I was wondering whether you meant by 333 the army camp in CM that' l have been a few times shooting Glock 17.
 

Left
Eye Dominant


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[Kwasaki]

53 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said:

Left
Eye Dominant

 

l'm a shooter that's Right eyed    the few shots were way off until l took the stance l preferred not the one the instructor told me.

 

The larger hole to the left of centre was firing 3 quick rounds, others 3 quick round shots were to the right, taking more time shooting one at a time l was hitting centre.

 

Only ever shot rifles & shotguns before for my first time using a semi-auto handgun l was pretty chuffed.

 

 

[grollies]

On 2017-1-27 at 1:57 PM, GarryP said:

For an air pistol retailing at USD130 (approx Baht 4,600) in the US, they are asking Baht 22,000 in Thailand. WOW!!!!!!!

Bout right. You should try buying a 9mm Glock or S&W .38

 

Mark-up x6 including licence.

 

You got your Thai citizenship and qualify, should be no problem.

[IDP1]

Can't say about the law but there are a lot of illegal firearms floating around in Thailand. Don't get road rage in Thailand... I've never met a Thai with an empty center console

[Kwasaki]

9 hours ago, IDP1 said:

Can't say about the law but there are a lot of illegal firearms floating around in Thailand. Don't get road rage in Thailand... I've never met a Thai with an empty center console

There's illegal arms in any country the Thai law for people owing a gun is they need a permit.

 

Don't know of any Thai only my family and they do not carry guns in there cars & pick-ups.

 

Any Thai that may have a gun in car,  get out and starts waving it about has the risk of being shot by police from what l understand whether they have a permit or not. 

[Arkady]

5 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

There's illegal arms in any country the Thai law for people owing a gun is they need a permit.

 

Don't know of any Thai only my family and they do not carry guns in there cars & pick-ups.

 

Any Thai that may have a gun in car,  get out and starts waving it about has the risk of being shot by police from what l understand whether they have a permit or not. 

 

With the plethora of registered and unregistered guns many Thais have the illegal habit of carrying one loaded in their car.  I guess they rely on being able to bribe their way out of trouble and/or the defence that has been accepted by many courts that the holder was on the way to deliver or collect at least B200,000 (even from an ATM, at least if it is registered gun. With an even bigger bribe they might be able to get away with it too, if caught with an illegal gun in the car at a police check point. 

 

Lack of enforcement is the major problem IMHO.  Whatever the reasons, people illegally carrying loaded guns in vehicles is definitely a serious menace that drivers should be wary of.

 

There is also a risk for legal gun owners carrying weapons to and from a range with gun and ammo properly separated and locked up, that police will argue that you have no right to take a gun to a range at all or they will take the gun and helpfully load it for you and claim they found it like that inside your car. Best to video them, if you are in that situation.  I had a discussion with a policemen at a social event who argued it was not legal to take a registered gun to a range at all unless you have a concealed carry permit for it.  The conversation foundered a bit when I asked him how the Thai national teams could take their rifles and shotguns for practice and competition, since they obviously couldn't get concealed carry permits for those.  Actually since there is no clear provision in the current law regarding carrying licensed guns for practice, competition or repair, police do, in fact, have the right to charge you and take your gun and ammo away, as evidence and the case would be decided by the court.  So it's best to talk nicely to them and try avoid that situation.  The court will acquit you, if it is convinced you had a valid reason for carry the gun but you will legal fees to pay and I was advised by a Thai lawyer and gun enthusiast who is familiar with such cases, that when you get your gun back after winning the case, you are likely to find the police have damaged it internally beyond repair out of spite.        

[grollies]

In my limited experience you don't carry ammo to a range, rather buy it there.

 

Concealed carry can be bought like anything else here but you do need to demonstrate need.

[Arkady]

On 6/13/2017 at 6:03 PM, grollies said:

In my limited experience you don't carry ammo to a range, rather buy it there.

 

Concealed carry can be bought like anything else here but you do need to demonstrate need.

 

Some ranges don't mind in practice, if you bring ammo bought somewhere else, even if they cover themselves by having rules against it.  Some of them specifically permit use of calibres that they never order ammo for.  Then there are competitive shooters who want to shoot ammo that they believe is most suited to their guns, although the variety available in Thailand is somewhat limited and reloading is not permitted.  You are right that only buying at the range and finishing all you buy each time is a safer way to go.  But all the advice I read or heard in Thai about this tells shooters to put ammo in a a separate locked box, rather than not bring any to or from a range.      

 

As you say, you probably need to pay up, as well as demonstrate need for a Por 12 concealed carry permit. They are issued by the police.  I saw a least of conditions for a businessman which required a lot of paid-up capital, significant sales revenue and audited accounts etc.  You need to have assets worth being attacked for in their opinion.  I would guess that most these days are in the hands of government officials.  Politicians and senators could get them under political governments but I guess many of them didn't get them renewed.  Another problem is that they are only valid for one year and police are likely to delay the renewal beyond the expiry of the previous permit which means you can't legally carry the gun while waiting for the renewal which might take months plus under the table payments. By the time you get it, it may have only a few months validity left, as it will start from the date the previous one expired.  Unlike CCW permits in the US the Por 12 is only for a specific gun with the registration number on the permit.   It doesn't seem worth the trouble for most people who are not government officials.

[grollies]

24 minutes ago, Arkady said:

 

Some ranges don't mind in practice, if you bring ammo bought somewhere else, even if they cover themselves by having rules against it.  Some of them specifically permit use of calibres that they never order ammo for.  Then there are competitive shooters who want to shoot ammo that they believe is most suited to their guns, although the variety available in Thailand is somewhat limited and reloading is not permitted.  You are right that only buying at the range and finishing all you buy each time is a safer way to go.  But all the advice I read or heard in Thai about this tells shooters to put ammo in a a separate locked box, rather than not bring any to or from a range.      

 

As you say, you probably need to pay up, as well as demonstrate need for a Por 12 concealed carry permit. They are issued by the police.  I saw a least of conditions for a businessman which required a lot of paid-up capital, significant sales revenue and audited accounts etc.  You need to have assets worth being attacked for in their opinion.  I would guess that most these days are in the hands of government officials.  Politicians and senators could get them under political governments but I guess many of them didn't get them renewed.  Another problem is that they are only valid for one year and police are likely to delay the renewal beyond the expiry of the previous permit which means you can't legally carry the gun while waiting for the renewal which might take months plus under the table payments. By the time you get it, it may have only a few months validity left, as it will start from the date the previous one expired.  Unlike CCW permits in the US the Por 12 is only for a specific gun with the registration number on the permit.   It doesn't seem worth the trouble for most people who are not government officials.  

 

 

 

and            

I'm not going into too much detail due to the subject in hand and you are obviously clued-up on the law here.

 

We are out in the sticks here and the missus wants a gun which we are in the process of procuring.

 

I wanted a shotgun, 5 shot, pistol grip, better spread IMO, but the BIB recommended a handgun so that's where we're at.

 

But you are correct, we are advised to transport it unloaded, in a case with ammo seperate. We have the chaps number to call if stopped on the way home.

 

Peace of mind, two of us alone, 'rich' falang, etc, etc.

 

Friend of ours has concealed carry permit, without any obvious need (but one never knows what people are really into), pretty easily obtained.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, grollies said:

I wanted a shotgun, 5 shot, pistol grip, better spread IMO, but the BIB recommended a handgun so that's where we're at.

Personally people that insist they want protect themselves for whatever reason in Thailand l can see no reason why they can't be happy with a shotgun and rock-salt cartridges why the ell does people wanna kill an intruder when you can easily disable them in this way.

[grollies]

@kwasaki, because my net is shit I can't quote you directly.

 

I agree and it was my intention to go that route and make-up some rock salt cartridges. Used them in the UK on foxes and dogs.

 

However, handgun or shotgun, it is the deterrent effect rather than shoot to wound or kill that sees off a would-be burgler.

 

It would be me using whatever weapon and, from previous experience (three times), I'm under no illusion as to the fear one experiences in armed situations.

 

But, we are opening up a whole new direction to the topic, probably not a good idea.