laislica Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 26 minutes ago, Dtrump said: I have 4 ups units that cost 3000 baht each. With a little knowledge you can replace the batteries for 400 baht instead of the whole thing. A UPS needs special "Leisure" batteries which are designed to provide a steady, low amperage for many hours and allow deep discharge without any damage to the cells. Car or lorry batteries are designed to give a huge amperage for a very short time (starting the engine) and may not be deeply discharged without damage to the cells. Note that the cells used to power fork lift trucks fit well into the leisure type batteries and I know a number of people in Spain who are not on the mains electricity grid who use them in their systems. The charging sources are solar cells and or wind generators and even diesel/petrol generators as backup or high power for a washing machine etc.. The mains 220v output varies per system but 2Kw to 5Kw is typical and with sufficient battery reserve to provide up to a couple of days AC, providing you don't go mad! For a security system a system would not need to be as huge, you would need to tot up the ampere hours for all devices to keep the system running and then buy a UPS with a bit more capacity than that. Note also that if using Solar panels, their output drops as the temperature increases. I found this out the hard way with a camper van equipped with a phone tracking security system which drew about 0.5 amps, 24 x 7! Half an amp doesn't sound much but it adds up by the hour! The panels fitted would have been fine if only they had provided the output as rated but in the semi dessert environment we lived in, they only gave about half the rated output. True, this was about 15 years ago so check yourselves on how today's panels perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar God Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) I deinstalled my old 8 camera system and brought it with from Europe. For 7k a company in Ubon Ratchathani did a very professional job of running cables through the ceiling, mounting the cameras, they used gang boxes where necessary, my eves are over 3 meters off the ground so nobody will be able to tamper with them easily. I have a UPS on the system and my fiber optic modem that can run for an hour or two with no power and it's all in a secure location in a locked room. My my only issue is with 3bb, I have a static IP and when using my phone to view remotely sometimes I need to remote it, find my new IP and enter it in the camera viewing software. They want ฿1000 a month extra for a static IP and for the one or two times I have to remote in to find out the new IP, it's not worth it. I tried a couple apps that were supposed to email me every time the IP changed but none of them worked reliably. I would suggest getting the highest resolution cameras you can find and wide angle lenses to maximize coverage. Edited November 9, 2016 by Guitar God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 hours ago, Naam said: why not have power for 40 hours? Hi Naam, hope all is OK. Guess those little suckers weigh a good few kilos. 40 hours is way too long, but I might upgrade for a couple of hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 59 minutes ago, 12DrinkMore said: Hi Naam, hope all is OK. Guess those little suckers weigh a good few kilos. 40 hours is way too long, but I might upgrade for a couple of hours. something like 23kg each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 hours ago, laislica said: A UPS needs special "Leisure" batteries which are designed to provide a steady, low amperage for many hours and allow deep discharge without any damage to the cells. Car or lorry batteries are designed to give a huge amperage for a very short time (starting the engine) and may not be deeply discharged without damage to the cells. i hear you and a zillion other theoreticians loud and clear and theoretically you are right. however in practice, for 15 years in Florida and 10 years in Thailand, my truck batteries worked to my fullest satisfaction. it is of course advisable to check the voltage of the battery bank if the inverter does not monitor and switch off at a certain maximum discharge. note: the batteries in my cars in Thailand have an average life span of 2-2½ years. the batteries of my power supplies last double that time. go figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laislica Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 13 minutes ago, Naam said: i hear you and a zillion other theoreticians loud and clear and theoretically you are right. however in practice, for 15 years in Florida and 10 years in Thailand, my truck batteries worked to my fullest satisfaction. it is of course advisable to check the voltage of the battery bank if the inverter does not monitor and switch off at a certain maximum discharge. note: the batteries in my cars in Thailand have an average life span of 2-2½ years. the batteries of my power supplies last double that time. go figure! Interesting. How often did the UPS need to kick in and for how long? I have a small UPS for my desktop computer in Spain because there is a limiter on the house mains and my lovely wife often trips it because she has everything in the kitchen on at once LOL The UPS is in use probably every 2-3 weeks but only for a few minutes at a time. However, if the power went off for a few hours, then I doubt that the UPS would have anything like the original capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, laislica said: Interesting. How often did the UPS need to kick in and for how long? I have a small UPS for my desktop computer in Spain because there is a limiter on the house mains and my lovely wife often trips it because she has everything in the kitchen on at once LOL The UPS is in use probably every 2-3 weeks but only for a few minutes at a time. However, if the power went off for a few hours, then I doubt that the UPS would have anything like the original capacity. very irregular but due to a special protection board which switches off a brown-out phase it happens for a few minutes and up to 2 or more hours. if only the phase goes to which PCs or TVs are connected we won't even realise that the inverters took over because switching time is less than 20ms. we realise it when also one of the phases are off and an aircon or two stop working. i am referring to Thailand. in Florida it was different. thunderstorm with high winds = power off 2-5 hours total power cut. immediately obvious because only single phase connection and central airconditioning. unlike Thailand we had only our PCs connected. deep cycle batteries which are recommended for UPS are dàmn expensive in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissie Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Disturbing to say the least. I myself have reached the conclusion (a long time ago) that it is not really recommendable to live in a country (and invest in such a country), that requires CCTV, walls around the property, guard dogs & private security guards, just to assure that life can continue tomorrow without being harmed. Tropical Paradise, indeed ! Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 8 hours ago, Dtrump said: Brand. VSTARCAM Image Sensor. 720P 1.0 megapixel, H264 Lens. 2.8~[email protected]/88~23˚ Digital Zoom. 4xOptical Zoom Pan/Tilt RangeHorizontal.Pan:355°,Tilt:85° Water proof grade. IP66 Waterproof Min. Illumination. 0.8Lux/F1.4(color mode),0.3Lux/F1.4(B&W mode) IR Range. 15m 22pcs Memory. Support TF Card up to 64GB ONVIF. Yes Warranty 1Y 3bb records everything cheap much as I remember. There is now an upgraded version with 1920hd available from them. I have the same as you, heres the night shot...........outside is 100% dark, there are no streetlights by me.....or streets hahaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 14 minutes ago, swissie said: Disturbing to say the least. I myself have reached the conclusion (a long time ago) that it is not really recommendable to live in a country (and invest in such a country), that requires CCTV, walls around the property, guard dogs & private security guards, just to assure that life can continue tomorrow without being harmed. Tropical Paradise, indeed ! Cheers. Ive had no incidents of anything except fish stealing before we built and thats due to the Thai way of thinking its "anyones land" if it isnt walled/fenced I dont even have gates just a 4.5 metre opening at both ends of the land although tuther end is barricaded to stop dogs/cows coming in when they go for a stroll past. I wanted but never did build a 400m2 house as its too easy to lose everything here, instead with almost 2 years of looking found 15 rai for 800k for the lot not per rai close to Hua Hin and built two small 50m2 houses myself, total outlay less than 2 million baht, Wife owns the land obviously, so little time spent indoors is not worth it ,also easy to keep cold 24/7 indoors when small with just one 10000btu aircon and double block walls . my monthly bill is 900 baht cold season 2000 baht hot season on almost permanently. Of course not everyones cup of tea but for me my love of growing trees is the overiding choice also doesnt look like I have anything worth stealing I guess.....dont even have a TV but he cameras do let me see whats going on and I can watch my one staff boy if needs be, not that i really have to. Your summary though could also apply to my home country of the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Naam said: i hear you and a zillion other theoreticians loud and clear and theoretically you are right. however in practice, for 15 years in Florida and 10 years in Thailand, my truck batteries worked to my fullest satisfaction. it is of course advisable to check the voltage of the battery bank if the inverter does not monitor and switch off at a certain maximum discharge. note: the batteries in my cars in Thailand have an average life span of 2-2½ years. the batteries of my power supplies last double that time. go figure! heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 5 hours ago, Naam said: something like 23kg each. i foresee a home gym power back up combo market opening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csabo Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 18 hours ago, Kwasaki said: Igor is the families cctv. A dog is usually the best home crime prevention. That being said, that training collar should only be worn during training sessions and it's not fitted properly for that either. If you are going to have an animal provide a valuable service for you at least you could offer him some reasonable comfort while doing so. Edited November 9, 2016 by csabo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrump Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Naam said: very irregular but due to a special protection board which switches off a brown-out phase it happens for a few minutes and up to 2 or more hours. if only the phase goes to which PCs or TVs are connected we won't even realise that the inverters took over because switching time is less than 20ms. we realise it when also one of the phases are off and an aircon or two stop working. i am referring to Thailand. in Florida it was different. thunderstorm with high winds = power off 2-5 hours total power cut. immediately obvious because only single phase connection and central airconditioning. unlike Thailand we had only our PCs connected. deep cycle batteries which are recommended for UPS are dàmn expensive in Thailand. About 400 baht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dtrump said: About 400 baht Do you get 40 hours backup from them? And they are sealed-lead acid, not necessarily deep-cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 hours ago, swissie said: Disturbing to say the least. I myself have reached the conclusion (a long time ago) that it is not really recommendable to live in a country (and invest in such a country), that requires CCTV, walls around the property, guard dogs & private security guards, just to assure that life can continue tomorrow without being harmed. Tropical Paradise, indeed ! Cheers. Me too, I live in Thailand :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthehat Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Don't waste your money on fancy cameras ..they will only record your murder if indeed it is going to happen ... as kwasaki has said get yourself a mean looking loyal dog ...he will work even when the power is out ..he does not record and does not need electric . But certainly will stop any threat coming to your home and provide company if your alone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I'm in two minds about CCTV, I suppose much depends upon where you live. CCTV could indicate you have something worth taking as could window bars, we have neither (and nothing really worth taking). Anyone who wants to get into our property uninvited will have to swim the moat, climb 3-4 metres of vertical concrete and then get past the guard creatures. Those who have visited our home will know I'm not joking :) None of the above are intentional security, just a by-product of being in a flood-prone area and defending ourselves against those upstream who decide their dam is full enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 19 hours ago, Dmaxdan said: If the thieves know you have CCTV, they will just wear a balaclava or similar. Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect we had the maxwell wisdom alarm system firred through out the house,with an alarm that can be heard a mile away,also its conected to a phone,home and mobile as soon as it goes off. a cctv was fitted to a property near us,now they wish they never installed it,unless you are glued to the monitor all day its not much use if a thief was to cover their face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrump Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Crossy said: Do you get 40 hours backup from them? And they are sealed-lead acid, not necessarily deep-cycle. A couple of hours which is enough time for me to do something about any intruder. I'm notified if the power goes out and I call my stand by SAS team. I use 4 UPS's, at 400baht a battery not much expense every two or three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dtrump Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 15 minutes ago, meatboy said: we had the maxwell wisdom alarm system firred through out the house,with an alarm that can be heard a mile away,also its conected to a phone,home and mobile as soon as it goes off. a cctv was fitted to a property near us,now they wish they never installed it,unless you are glued to the monitor all day its not much use if a thief was to cover their face. When I like it is when I'm out at the mall and I want to hang around some more or eat a long dinner. I have an alarm but it's nice to check the house and dogs to make sure everything is OK and I have a leisurely dinner. I can also watch my wife when I'm not home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) maybe something that takes DNA samples :) like some rusty nails ! Put a few cameras out that they can see , and hid the good ones ! But really there is not much you can do yourself if the cameras send pictures to your phone and you are away , unless you are on good terms with the local cops , but the thieves probably have a look out and will be long gone when the cops get there..... One thing is to make it hard to get anything out of the house , if they need to go out the same window they went in , it this will slow them down , If they can go thru the front or rear doors than they can clear you out quick , we have double key dead bolt locks with a key on both sides , now they cannot get out ! but also do not lock yourself in if there is a fire..... Edited November 10, 2016 by BKKdreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 55 minutes ago, meatboy said: we had the maxwell wisdom alarm system firred through out the house,with an alarm that can be heard a mile away,also its conected to a phone,home and mobile as soon as it goes off. a cctv was fitted to a property near us,now they wish they never installed it,unless you are glued to the monitor all day its not much use if a thief was to cover their face. we do have a backup,our neighbours are on the phone system,and also MEAN looking dog,but he is second in line after me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinom Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 We have a 16 channel CCTV system for our house. It may act as a small visual deterrent, but if any burglar wants to have a go, he could easily do so when we are out (assuming they have been watching our movements). He would then have to get past the two Ridgebacks that roam the garden (high walled house). Assuming he gets past the dogs and into the house, the PIR alarm system would initiate, the alarm company would notify us by phone and we would then have the pleasure of watching the break-in in glorious Technicolor on our CCTV via mobile phone ................... splendid system. (The alarm company would also send the police !) I can also use it to see when the wife goes out shopping, and it reminds me to tell her to buy me a few beers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 I assume the dogs are pretty big , do they trigger the motion sensors on the cameras and give false warnings ? what about trees blowing , birds that get too close etc ? When I set up a "Game camera" in my back yard I got many false readings , most were the wind and clowds changing the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, csabo said: A dog is usually the best home crime prevention. That being said, that training collar should only be worn during training sessions and it's not fitted properly for that either. If you are going to have an animal provide a valuable service for you at least you could offer him some reasonable comfort while doing so. Point taken BTW it comes off when Igor is inside home perimeter, l don't like him wearing at all but because of the owners of stupid 4 legged soi crap machines just roaming around he has to be restrained sometime. The family don't want him infected or near the poxy things. Edited November 10, 2016 by Kwasaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 The OP mentions getting CCTV in response to some recent incidents. With that in mind the first level of security would be, dont involve yourself with prostitutes, money lenders, drug dealers, dubious business affairs, property disputes, and your risk is probably minimal. Statistics show that most break ins are crimes of opportunity, so dont present an opportunity. You can have high definition video footage with dolby surround sound, stored on a secure ups powered server. Unless the thieves are wearing name tags, probably not much use. Putting your worldly possessions in a safe, bolted to the floor, is probably a good low tech solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, sinom said: He would then have to get past the two Ridgebacks that roam the garden (high walled house). = optimal protection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgma Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 cctv footage keeps you from useless pointing to the police when a break in occured,and can solve cases quickly. Be sure to have hidden canm in the house as well. We have dogs and had 6 more, all dead.......ya bua! be careful all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 45 minutes ago, hgma said: cctv footage keeps you from useless pointing to the police when a break in occured,and can solve cases quickly. Be sure to have hidden canm in the house as well. We have dogs and had 6 more, all dead.......ya bua! be careful all As said if they disable cams & alarms or wear a mask what good is a camera. How did your dogs meet there end. The family dog is trained to not eat food from strangers because of poisoning. Many on here makes wonder where all these break-ins or attempted ones happen l guess large towns the nearest to us is 14k away and hear of burglaries there, l guess our village is too poor or some thieves live in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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