PM calls for cooperation from pavement vendors

[yellowboat]

3 hours ago, mcfish said:

More than that. Add the killing of corruption on sukhumvit Bangkok by removing the stall holders and the bib they sponsored also getting rid of the boats and Mafia at the pier in pattya plus much more. Banning zero dollar tour illegals in pattya and so on...

These things never would have changed in the next 10 years!

Most tourist are not even aware aware there is a military regime. Restrictions on Freedom of speech well of course that's the short term solution and thats why there was a coupe in the first place.

Like all the other coups it will dissolved in time, I only hope the corruption doesn't reverse All the good work but not holding my breath

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As "reforms" go, what you mentioned are pretty weak. Hardly something to cheer about.  The coup changes nothing.  Just different pigs at the trough.  The wealthy and overly privileged are in power now, and they are no more righteous than the Shinwarts

[BangkokTony]

Clear the vendors from Soi 4 Sukhumvit and Khao San as well.

[mcfish]

As "reforms" go, what you mentioned are pretty weak. Hardly something to cheer about.  The coup changes nothing.  Just different pigs at the trough.  The wealthy and overly privileged are in power now, and they are no more righteous than the Shinwarts

Sure. How about you tell us the reforms to cheer about prior to the ones I mentioned. To make it easy you can go back 20 years

Over to you [emoji1]

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[Stray]

How about blocking half the highway drying rice in the countryside?  Slippery as sh!t when you have to veer onto it to avoid oncoming traffic.

 

Pardon me.  Not a Bangkok issue so it doesn't matter.

 

Carry on clearing footpaths in the city.

[Basil B]

Street vendors are a way of life in Thailand but they do need regulating.

 

The simple answer would be to licence them, working from designated places paying a rent for their pitch.

[mcfish]

Street vendors are a way of life in Thailand but they do need regulating.
 
The simple answer would be to licence them, working from designated places paying a rent for their pitch.

And who would go around inspecting thousands of items for piracy or test bacterial content of food carts?

There is no simple answer and it's over and waaay overdue as it was [emoji1]
Farang need to accept it

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[Basil B]

If they are paying a licence fee, the licencing authority...

The Government should be making sure the inspectors are doing their job, jail time for corrupt inspectors.

[mcfish]

Even if they had the resources the issue was illegal squatting on sidewalks. If you mean moving them to some area off sukhumvit then fine but most farang want them back on sukhumvit for the "atmosphere"

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[jamesbrock]

9 hours ago, yellowboat said:

And why is that ?   Why is there a lock and where is the key ?

 

Seems CP is selling on the sidewalk all over Asia in front of their offices or selling to those who sell.  The junta has failed at coming up with a solution.  A solution or a non solution that is working in Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Khao San and Hat Yai.  Why is it so hard to do what is commonly Thai and Bangkok ?

 

9 hours ago, mcfish said:

My understanding is that the Park on sukhumvit is gated and privately owned but was donated for use to the city.
Chang mai is a mess. I just arrived from there and the main street has just enough room for one person to pass at a time. Crazy because there are plenty of night markets just a few minutes away. It's actually more congested than sukhumvit Bangkok was

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Said park, Chuvit Park, was graciously donated to the city after the owner, former massage parlour tycoon turned graft-busting-politician, Chuvit Kamolvisit, used up to 600 military and police personnel to illegally knock down up to 60 bars and businesses in what was then known as Sukhumvit Square.

 

The illegal gestapo-style raid eventually—after 13 years—landed him and 65 others in jail.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/05/1044318674782.html

 

I doubt they'd allow vendors back in there.

[candide]

14 hours ago, mcfish said:

Of courses. The other option was civil war

There are a thousand Thai bashers here that would love to see that.

As far as I'm concerned I hope the military never lose power and keep making sweeping reforms

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As mentioned by several posters, Suthep was barely able to gather more than a few hundreds protesters when the coup happened, and elections were planned for July. Come on, let's be serious! Don't tell us that you are not aware NOW that the coup would have been made whatever the circumstances.

[NongKhaiKid]

12 hours ago, mcfish said:

Thai bashers want to see Thailand implode, tourism suffer, the baht and real estate sector destroyed. Civil war would be the ultimate vehicle so yeah makes sense to me.


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Sad comment. What pleasure would the average foreigner get from a civil war ?

If there isn't one you are likely to be the one most upset.

Edited November 12, 2016 by NongKhaiKid

[kannot]

13 hours ago, mcfish said:

We'll I have seen more reform in this military reign than I have in the last 10 years of corrupt politicians. That's undeniable fact

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more  lip  service  more  like

[greenchair]

If the public did not buy from them, then they would not be there wasting their time. 

In fact those businesses were thriving because of public support. 

Fine for the hi so that can pay 400 baht a day in a restaurant. The poor people will have to trudge their way further to get their dinner. This is just a way to get the poor out of their own businesses and slave to the restaurant owners that cannot find staff, because they don't want to pay them fairly. Getting rid of the street vendors is win,win, win all the way for rich business/restaurant owners. 

[mcfish]

If the public did not buy from them, then they would not be there wasting their time. 

In fact those businesses were thriving because of public support. 

Fine for the hi so that can pay 400 baht a day in a restaurant. The poor people will have to trudge their way further to get their dinner. This is just a way to get the poor out of their own businesses and slave to the restaurant owners that cannot find staff, because they don't want to pay them fairly. Getting rid of the street vendors is win,win, win all the way for rich business/restaurant owners. 

Those Street vendors were making a fortune scamming tourists with pirated goods and 300 baht synthetic t shirts without paying taxes and not to forget the graphic pornography and sex toys.. Street carts were dumping scraps down drains feeding an enormous rat problem and choking foot paths.

As soon as it got dark Street bars would set up directly opposite genuine bars without a liquor licence or paying tax! In the meantime I'm forced onto a deadly sukhumvit road, in the dark If I plan on getting anywhere

400baht meals is just being silly . They can trudge like me to T21 and get a 30 baht chicken soup

Good riddance to them all [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

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[siddv]

Well tea money has to be made up somewhere... guess where ????  "where you go? where you come from? WHERE PASSPORT YOU !!!!!!

[ddavidovsky]

Street-vendors are the life and soul of the place. How about wider pavements?

[cornishcarlos]

Street-vendors are the life and soul of the place. How about wider pavements?

Then they would have wider stalls with more seating and tables... Thais don't need pavements like we do, they don't walk :)

[fforest1]

14 hours ago, sandemara said:

I fear mcfish is one sick guppy.

 

Its strange how some people cheer every crackdown,law,regulation

that tries to turn Thailand into a soulless highly regulated authoritarian

place like Singapore...

Hey if you  guys love the Singapore model so much why do you not

just move there....

Edited November 13, 2016 by fforest1

[mcfish]

Street-vendors are the life and soul of the place. How about wider pavements?

You mean close down 1 lane of sukhumvit or knock down the legal shops? How else can you widen? Spend a billion baht and years of work just so somchai can continue to sell his tax free goods

Yep good plan, what could possibly go wrong lol

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[ddavidovsky]

50 minutes ago, mcfish said:

You mean close down 1 lane of sukhumvit or knock down the legal shops? How else can you widen? Spend a billion baht and years of work just so somchai can continue to sell his tax free goods

Yep good plan, what could possibly go wrong lol

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See what they did in London's Oxford Street? Pedestrianisation is happening everywhere. Good for tourists and general quality of life. Restrict traffic in the centre of Bangkok and it would be easy. I can't think of a better way of spending a few billion baht.

Edited November 13, 2016 by ddavidovsky

[mcfish]

 

See what they did in London's Oxford Street? Pedestrianisation is happening everywhere. Good for tourists and general quality of life. Restrict traffic in the centre of Bangkok and it would be easy. I can't think of a better way of spending a few billion baht.

Wouldn't work here because sukhumvit Is the major 6 lane highway and shutting it down would divert traffic to little sois already clogged with motor bike parking and food carts and waist high flooding in some. It would be a major traffic night mare.
But I would love for it to happen if it were feasible

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[ddavidovsky]

3 minutes ago, mcfish said:

Wouldn't work here because sukhumvit Is the major 6 lane highway and shutting it down would divert traffic to little sois already clogged with motor bike parking and food carts and waist high flooding in some. It would be a major traffic night mare.
But I would love for it to happen if it were feasible

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Just need to restrict the traffic getting into the city centre in the first place.

 

In any case, it's unfair to blame the street vendors for what is a city planning failure.

[mcfish]

 
Just need to restrict the traffic getting into the city centre in the first place.
 

In any case, it's unfair to blame the street vendors for what is a city planning failure.

Vendors were squatting on the side walk illegally. Who else you going to blame?
In any case it's a pointless conversation. They have gone and the sidewalks have effectively trippled in size and it's a huge win for locals both Thai and farang, thank you Prayut!

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[smutcakes]

11 hours ago, jamesbrock said:

 

 

Said park, Chuvit Park, was graciously donated to the city after the owner, former massage parlour tycoon turned graft-busting-politician, Chuvit Kamolvisit, used up to 600 military and police personnel to illegally knock down up to 60 bars and businesses in what was then known as Sukhumvit Square.

 

The illegal gestapo-style raid eventually—after 13 years—landed him and 65 others in jail.

 

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/05/1044318674782.html

 

I doubt they'd allow vendors back in there.

 

Well no one will get back in there as it has been closed for 'renovation' for a few months, although no renovation is visible.

 

I have heard some speculate that a 'deal' was done with Mr. Chuvit to ensure he only spent a small bit of time in the pen.

 

I find this hard to believe given the moral standing of the military and judiciary. I suppose time will tell.

[fforest1]

1 hour ago, mcfish said:

Vendors were squatting on the side walk illegally. Who else you going to blame?
In any case it's a pointless conversation. They have gone and the sidewalks have effectively trippled in size and it's a huge win for locals both Thai and farang, thank you Prayut!

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Dont gloat too much because at the first opportunity all the street vendors

will be back same as before 100% guaranteed...

Street vending is a way of life in Thailand and that will never change....

[smutcakes]

1 hour ago, mcfish said:

Vendors were squatting on the side walk illegally. Who else you going to blame?
In any case it's a pointless conversation. They have gone and the sidewalks have effectively trippled in size and it's a huge win for locals both Thai and farang, thank you Prayut!

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They have not 'gone'. I can speak for my daily trip to work, they are alive and kicking outside of Asoke MRT and Ploenchit BTS station. Maybe they have not 'noticed' those ones which is surprising given there are many of them. Or perhaps they have rented their areas of the correct person.

[mcfish]

Dont gloat too much because at the first opportunity all the street vendors
will be back same as before 100% guaranteed...
Street vending is a way of life in Thailand and that will never change....

I think you're wrong. I remember when Bangkok had elephants roaming the streets, they were banned never to return and everyone cried for the mahouts, they will be back they cried!
Then they had metal poles inserted at each Street corner along lower sukhumvit to stop the maddening huge and slow food carts from taking up the whole foot path but that got rid of them

Then they introduced a 7pm curfew for Street vendors and farang said that won't last but strict policing saw to it that it did and now they are all banned and still farang cry. It won't last but it will!

Thais have accepted it while farang remain in denial. How weird is that? [emoji1]

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[ddavidovsky]

1 hour ago, mcfish said:

Vendors were squatting on the side walk illegally. Who else you going to blame?
 

 

The people who buy things from them, and therefore encourage them to be there?

 

Just accommodate them better and it's win-win. The vendors are actually a relief from the baking, concrete, wire-strewn environment of a typical Bangkok street. Removing them would make the streets barren and soulless as well.

[smutcakes]

15 minutes ago, mcfish said:

I think you're wrong. I remember when Bangkok had elephants roaming the streets, they were banned never to return and everyone cried for the mahouts, they will be back they cried!
Then they had metal poles inserted at each Street corner along lower sukhumvit to stop the maddening huge and slow food carts from taking up the whole foot path but that got rid of them

Then they introduced a 7pm curfew for Street vendors and farang said that won't last but strict policing saw to it that it did and now they are all banned and still farang cry. It won't last but it will!

Thais have accepted it while farang remain in denial. How weird is that?

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What 7pm curfew? Street vendors are out all day.

[mcfish]

 
What 7pm curfew? Street vendors are out all day.

Your obviously don't live near sukhumvit in Bangkok. The curfew had been active for about a year. I live right in the middle of it

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