Is Trump's tough plan on immigration cracking?

[webfact]

Is Trump's tough plan on immigration cracking? 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump's tough-talking plan to rein in illegal immigration showed signs of cracking on Sunday, with the president-elect seemingly backing off his vow to build a solid wall along the southern U.S. border and the top House Republican rejecting any "deportation force" targeting people in the country illegally.

 

In an interview with CBS' "60 Minutes," Trump said Sunday he would accept a fence in some places along the U.S. southern border where he had promised to build a wall.

 

During his campaign he insisted he would deport 11 million people living in the country illegally, with exceptions. But he distanced himself from that position as time went on, and in his first television interview since winning the presidential election, Trump said he's willing to deport or incarcerate 2 million to 3 million people living in the country illegally who "are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers."

 

Earlier Sunday, House Speaker Paul Ryan, also told CNN's "State of the Union" that "we are not planning on erecting a deportation force." Ryan said "I think we should put people's minds at ease" on mass deportation because the top priority is really border security.

 

On that, both men agreed Sunday, with the president-elect emphasizing that securing the border is his first immigration priority.

 

Trump campaigned on a promise to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. The promise elicited chants of "Build that Wall" from the thousands throughout the country who packed his rallies. Mexico has said it would not pay for the construction of a wall along the border.

 

Nearly 700 miles of fencing was put in place during President George W. Bush's second term and the beginning of President Barack Obama's first term.

 

The fencing is placed largely in urban areas along the nearly 2,000-mile frontier. It is not the type of solid wall that Trump has pledged to construct at Mexico's expense. The fence has miles-long gaps and gates built in to allow landowners access to their property on the south side of the fencing. Immigrants have been known to go over and around the fence.

 

-- © Associated Press 2016-11-14

[zaphod reborn]

Kinda hard to build hotels and casinos when you can't rely on $10/hr Mexican labor to get the job done, right Donald?

[craigt3365]

49 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said:

Kinda hard to build hotels and casinos when you can't rely on $10/hr Mexican labor to get the job done, right Donald?

New Jersey is a hard core union state.  They don't mess around.  Nor do the ones in Vegas.

[zaphod reborn]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

New Jersey is a hard core union state.  They don't mess around.  Nor do the ones in Vegas.

 

The construction workers in Vegas are not unionized.  Vegas was built up on a 24/7 labor schedule, so unions were pretty much out of the equation. 

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said:

 

The construction workers in Vegas are not unionized.  Vegas was built up on a 24/7 labor schedule, so unions were pretty much out of the equation. 

Construction workers absolutely are.  I'm from Vegas and use to be in the culinary union.  Here's what's happening to Tesla when trying to use out of state, non union labor. 

 

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/feb/29/construction-workers-walk-off-tesla-job-site-in-la/

[Enoon]

Already disappointing the swamp critters that he persuaded to vote for him.

 

Beginning to look like Mr Trump is indeed one of those creatures he so reviles..........a politician.

 

How do you tell when a politician is lying?

Edited November 14, 2016 by Enoon

[zaphod reborn]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Construction workers absolutely are.  I'm from Vegas and use to be in the culinary union.  Here's what's happening to Tesla when trying to use out of state, non union labor. 

 

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/feb/29/construction-workers-walk-off-tesla-job-site-in-la/

What does that have to do with the construction industry and the labor blackmarket in Vegas?

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, zaphod reborn said:

What does that have to do with the construction industry and the labor blackmarket in Vegas?

I could post dozens of articles like this.  It points out the problems of not using union construction labor in Vegas.  The black market?  Forget it.  Small jobs, yes, large jobs, no way.

[Prbkk]

The reality is he will not be able to implement ANY of his core promises: the wall, deportations, Iran, trade agreement, Obamacare, term limits, Hillary, job creation in the rust belt, ISIS, China.

Already backtracked on 3 and the rest will follow.

so what's left? Tax cuts for the mega rich, more constraints on abortion, support for gun freedom, zealots for the Supreme Court, infrastructure spending.

 

[hdkane]

Amazing...the immigration policy of the USA is much weaker than most other countries...for decades, the Democrats have hoped to change the demographics of the USA to ensure easy elections and power...all the people who want to move to Canada should actually examine that country's immigation policies...much more difficult to go to Canada than the USA...if a politician in the USA advocated for similar policies, liberals in the USA would rant about racism and xenophobia...which they are not, of course...

[Thailand]

More u turns than Thai roads on the horizon. Lots of wool over 60 million eyes.

[FlorC]

I'm no expert , but isn't the Rio Grande river the border between Texas & Mexico ? Kind of difficult to build a solid wall in the middle of an ever changing river.

Trump is already starting to compromise , we're gonna see more of this , and that is sad. He should stick to what he repeatedly said during the campagne.

[JHolmesJr]

Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol.

 

I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now.

 

Hopefully he will start ejecting the illegals quietly so there isn't a mass panic.

[elgordo38]

Like a walnut under a hammer. All his "promises" will dissolve once the Congress hold his tiny feet to the fire of reality. This guy spouted so much political garbage and surprisingly the voters fell for it hook line and sinker. Just goes to show the desperation of the American voter to put their faith in a despot capitalist of industry. As Leo Bourne said in his poem in a famous Bangkok newspaper opinion column and the starting words were thus. 

Assemble two generations of Americans ignorant beyond belief. 

 

[IAMHERE]

Hilary called me a deplorable; now a BM calls me a swamp critter. Now I got to google to see which is worster.  At least I'm no longer just an angry white male, I got that going for me.

[mike324]

Trump already lying like the other politicians even before he is officially president! Good luck to those that were looking for change, easier said than done. Trump won't last 4 years thats the truth. On the same note, I think it was good that Trump got elected president as well, makes the losers reflect and see how out of touch they are with reality.

[Thaidream]

I wouldn't sell Trump short by any means.  He will assemble a team that will concentrate on his agenda. His wall maybe part concrete and part wire. He will keep parts of Obama care and jettison the rest without loss of coverage. He will deport convicted illegal aliens who have felony records. He will do massive infrastructure that will generate millions of jobs. He will tell Iran to 'take a hike' unless you start to abide by the agreement and he will go after the Europeans , Japan and Korea who have lived off the US military guarantee for years without paying for it. In addition, he will cede to Russia the Crimea; and work with them to settle the Syria crisis and both countries will destroy ISIS. I didn't vote for him but so far if he does all of the above- it is better than what Obama did and much better than what Hillary would do.

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol.

 

I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now.

 

Hopefully he will start ejecting the illegals quietly so there isn't a mass panic.

 

"Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol." - Well get used to it.

 

"I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now" - What's more urgent than what he promised to do in his first hour in office? Shame you have been left to guess, that wasn't his confident decisive campaign rhetoric was it.

 

"Hopefully" - Did you just elect a guy on a 'hopefully'?

 

 

[dunroaming]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol.

 

I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now.

 

Hopefully he will start ejecting the illegals quietly so there isn't a mass panic.

 

It all depends on how these reports are pitched.  It was obvious that most of Trump's promises were never going to happen but enough people believed them anyway.  Trump has been elected and the more he backtracks the better for the USA.  I think that Trump had no idea of how to go about being a President and now he has to deal with the reality of that he is completely lost.  He will have to refill the swamp and surround himself with the politicians he was so dismissive of in his campaign.  Of course there will be the odd curved ball to keep the nutcases happy like Bannon but I think much of the maverick in him will be abandoned as time goes by.

 

JH you say he will hopefully start ejecting illegals quietly.  As that was his rallying cry and a priority for him why would he want to do it quietly?  Mass panic we have now so it can't be about that..

 

Have you been sold a pup?  Yes but it happens to us all at some time or another.  Let's hope the damage can be limited until Michelle steps up in four years time and sanity can return.

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, Thaidream said:

I wouldn't sell Trump short by any means.  He will assemble a team that will concentrate on his agenda. His wall maybe part concrete and part wire. He will keep parts of Obama care and jettison the rest without loss of coverage. He will deport convicted illegal aliens who have felony records. He will do massive infrastructure that will generate millions of jobs. He will tell Iran to 'take a hike' unless you start to abide by the agreement and he will go after the Europeans , Japan and Korea who have lived off the US military guarantee for years without paying for it. In addition, he will cede to Russia the Crimea; and work with them to settle the Syria crisis and both countries will destroy ISIS. I didn't vote for him but so far if he does all of the above- it is better than what Obama did and much better than what Hillary would do.

Look, up in the sky . . .

[dunroaming]

14 minutes ago, smotherb said:

Look, up in the sky . . .

 

and see the flying pigs!

 

In London around Parliament they are putting up U-turn signs everywhere.  Not only May sucking up to Trump but also Johnson and the rest of gutter snipes.  Just shows how much moral high ground there is around.  Of course it is understandable for desperate Prime Minister and the lying toad Boris but so embarrassing for the rest of us.

[jesimps]

7 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

Kinda hard to build hotels and casinos when you can't rely on $10/hr Mexican labor to get the job done, right Donald?

He used genuine union labour from what I hear, which figures knowing the strength of the unions in the US. Can't see the union mafia allowing their members to be jipped.

Mind you, I wouldn't blame him if it were true, he is a businessman after all. Doesn't mean that he shouldn't want the jobs to go to genuine US citizens as long as all businesses had to use bona fide labour. Trouble was, the Obama crowd allowed the illegals to remain in the labour market so there were bound to be many who slipped through the union's net. Bet you it wasn't only the big D who it applied to so don't be so naive.

 

 

[jaidam]

3 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol.

 

I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now.

 

Hopefully he will start ejecting the illegals quietly so there isn't a mass panic.

 Don't feel cheated.  In the excitement everyone is thinking about some iron or brick structure. Total waste of money, and can be buried under or climbed over. Not very clever. Donald Trump may be many things, but stupid is not one of them. Since the Great Wall of China was built technology has come along a fair bit. Now how about a sonic wall, LRAD or USW. This could literally turn an illegal intruder inside-out. Cheap as chips, and once a few images hit liveleak or bestgore the illegals will stick to their tacos and tequila.

[jesimps]

14 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

 

and see the flying pigs!

 

In London around Parliament they are putting up U-turn signs everywhere.  Not only May sucking up to Trump but also Johnson and the rest of gutter snipes.  Just shows how much moral high ground there is around.  Of course it is understandable for desperate Prime Minister and the lying toad Boris but so embarrassing for the rest of us.

I'm not embarrassed. Not a big fan of TM or BJ but I do admire anyone who can admit that they were wrong and make a change in direction. After all, Big D is going to be the most powerful man in the world whether you lefties like it or not, so a bit of grovelling isn't out of place.

Go Big D!

 

 

[jesimps]

1 hour ago, Andaman Al said:

 

"Im starting to feel a bit cheated…lol." - Well get used to it.

 

"I can only guess the general counsel is to take it slow and put the money towards more urgent things for now" - What's more urgent than what he promised to do in his first hour in office? Shame you have been left to guess, that wasn't his confident decisive campaign rhetoric was it.

 

"Hopefully" - Did you just elect a guy on a 'hopefully'?

 

 

What do you normally require before you put your tic in the box, a signed guarantee? Maybe an IOU?? A billet doux???

After you with the crystal ball.

 

 

[dunroaming]

8 minutes ago, jesimps said:

I'm not embarrassed. Not a big fan of TM or BJ but I do admire anyone who can admit that they were wrong and make a change in direction. After all, Big D is going to be the most powerful man in the world whether you lefties like it or not, so a bit of grovelling isn't out of place.

Go Big D!

 

 

 

We all have our opinions and yours is as valid as mine.  As for the lefties tag you are a bit off key with that.  Never voted for anyone other than the Conservatives (though often abstained) and I even voted for Thatcher first time round.

[dunroaming]

6 minutes ago, jesimps said:

What do you normally require before you put your tic in the box, a signed guarantee? Maybe an IOU?? A billet doux???

After you with the crystal ball.

 

 

 

Well personally I long ago lost faith in what any politician said they would do. But I thought that Trump said he was not a politician and that his promises will be carried out.  Either he lied about not being a politician or he lied about nearly everything else. You choose.

[Andaman Al]

31 minutes ago, jaidam said:

 Since the Great Wall of China was built technology has come along a fair bit. Now how about a sonic wall, LRAD or USW. This could literally turn an illegal intruder inside-out. Cheap as chips, and once a few images hit liveleak or bestgore the illegals will stick to their tacos and tequila.

 

It would also turn a 'legal' citizen walking their Dog by the rio Grande inside out ! (and their Dog)

 

Exactly how many Mexicans wishing to immigrate do you think look at either live leak of bestgore? It takes a kind of special kind of person to surf the contents of bestgore. Is that what you do? Eeeww! Certainly not the way to advertise people being 'turned inside out' to a mass population is it! How simple your plan is, please contact Trump. Show a few pics of peoples bodies inside out and no more immigration problem. Why didn't we think of that before, pure genius. 

[Andaman Al]

3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

I wouldn't sell Trump short by any means.  He will assemble a team that will concentrate on his agenda. His wall maybe part concrete and part wire. He will keep parts of Obama care and jettison the rest without loss of coverage. He will deport convicted illegal aliens who have felony records. He will do massive infrastructure that will generate millions of jobs. He will tell Iran to 'take a hike' unless you start to abide by the agreement and he will go after the Europeans , Japan and Korea who have lived off the US military guarantee for years without paying for it. In addition, he will cede to Russia the Crimea; and work with them to settle the Syria crisis and both countries will destroy ISIS. I didn't vote for him but so far if he does all of the above- it is better than what Obama did and much better than what Hillary would do.

Where do we start?

 

Well if it's made of wire it's a fence isn't it, not a wall. Trump specifically said "I am going to build a big long beautiful wall, so big and so long for 1000 miles". So is he going to build it or not? Not bits here and there, he either builds it or he blatantly lied during his campaign. All the deplorables who spent hours shouting 'Build a wall build a wall' at his rally's will be very disappointed!

 

If he keeps parts of Obama care and gets rid of the rest that is not "in the first hour I am in office I will repeal Obama Care" is it, so again he will be proven to have blatantly lied to his support base.

 

Obama's administration already deports criminal illegal immigrants, that is not what Trump said is it? "I will have a deportment force and 11 million illegal immigrants will go". Another blatant lie. Is he setting up a pattern yet?

 

He won't do any massive infrastructure that will create millions of jobs and if he does he will need those Mexicans back quick because the young non college kids won't go out breaking their backs for the wages Trumps endeavours will pay. 

 

As for telling Iran to take a 'hike' if they do not abide by the agreement, first of all, they are abiding by the agreement and secondly another one of the many things he was going to do in his first hour in office was terminate the deal with Iran. Another lie.

 

He will cede Russia the Crimea - How noble of him, it is not his to give is it? Exactly how much of world geography and politics are you current on?

 

'both countries will destroy ISIS'- wow you make it sound easy. I recall both countries had a go at taking over Afghanistan despite nobody ever being able to conquer Afghanistan in 2500 years, even Alexander the Great thought it was a bad idea. the Russians  tried and failed, we were supposed to learn from that but tried and failed, and now you think after all this effort they will both go in and destroy a highly mobile determined band of terrorists who are incredibly well financed and pick them off like British Redcoats wandering through the woods of 18th century America. How easy, go get a job as his strategist, you may do better than Banner.

 

As someone said to you 'look up in the sky'.

Edited November 14, 2016 by Andaman Al

[chickenslegs]

Some of his plans may have to wait until his second term.