watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The term's been bandied about on TV since I've been a member but I've never really heard any kind of definition for it. So what do you think constitutes a nanny state? Is it always a bad thing or are there some positive attributes to it? What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 country where people dont respect each other enough enforcing the use of rules which are made for the lowest denominator in society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, kannot said: country where people dont respect each other enough enforcing the use of rules which are made for the lowest denominator in society Would you please explain your thoughts a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 14 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect. The problem is theres always an element of idiots who take things too far...............look at the driving for instance in Thailand, if they showed a bit more care attention and not me me me then rules would never get employed............speeding is one example, speeding is not dangerous in the right conditions, I got pulled over in the UK at 3 am in the morning, middle of Wales clear night not freezing dry road no one else for miles around totally safe ...........70mph......................compare with someone 8 am rush hour weaving in and out doing 30mph wet road many people about etc etc Rules get made due to idiots which then get forced onto the many sane people in society due to the few's irresponsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Try Australia: in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Try Australia: in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555 You have not really defined what you consider a nanny state but so be it. Do you feel Thailand lets you do what you want? REally? I am curious about a nanny state definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i claudius Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, daveAustin said: Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect. You are so right , and to be honest the PC nonsense has gone far to far , i read that now its classed as a hate crime if you say anything bad about "ginger haired people" what next people with big ears ? I thought that the BBC had lost the plot ,making nearly half their progs with an interracial couple in it ,but when they but black and middle eastern people in the crowd scenes in Britain in the middle ages in an episode of Dr Who , i cringed , and dont get me started on "the artful dodger" being black in the last Dickens series . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 49 minutes ago, kannot said: The problem is theres always an element of idiots who take things too far...............look at the driving for instance in Thailand, if they showed a bit more care attention and not me me me then rules would never get employed............speeding is one example, speeding is not dangerous in the right conditions, I got pulled over in the UK at 3 am in the morning, middle of Wales clear night not freezing dry road no one else for miles around totally safe ...........70mph......................compare with someone 8 am rush hour weaving in and out doing 30mph wet road many people about etc etc Rules get made due to idiots which then get forced onto the many sane people in society due to the few's irresponsibility symptoms but how do you define a nanny state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 minutes ago, watcharacters said: symptoms but how do you define a nanny state? Same way you define porn. Defining it would take up volumes. But you know it when you see it. In the case of the nanny state, when you live it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 minute ago, impulse said: Same way you define porn. Defining it would take up volumes. But you know it when you see it. In the case of the nanny state, when you live it. So you can't give specifics? Comparison to porn and I know the reference is not quite the same but that's OK if that's your best shot. no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, watcharacters said: So you can't give specifics? Comparison to porn and I know the reference is not quite the same but that's OK if that's your best shot. no pun intended. I could give you volumes of specifics. But I hate typing and I'm pretty sure Google or Wikipedia has already done that. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, impulse said: Same way you define porn. Defining it would take up volumes. But you know it when you see it. In the case of the nanny state, when you live it. There's all sorts of different types of porn with the bits you don't care for and the bits that you like. Same same nanny state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 21 minutes ago, watcharacters said: You have not really defined what you consider a nanny state but so be it. Do you feel Thailand lets you do what you want? REally? I am curious about a nanny state definition. Too many laws, too controlling, too much restriction on peoples lives. Yes, Thailand leaves me alone, I don't feel restricted or controlled, not knowing the language is even better, I am someone just in the LOS. If you can't read my definition of a nanny state, then I can't help you 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianBlessing Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 You are searching in vain for a response as subjective as the person offering it. One person's orderly, well-governed society is another's over-regulated, politically correct state.Sent from my Mi 4i using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdiddy Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 https://www.google.com.au/#q=nanny+state Wasnt surprised to see "nanny state australia" pop up as 2nd choice when i typed that in lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 And I used to think that nanny state is a state that provides nanny services for free, or that you can take your kids to any government places and leave them there for few hours... No? I was wrong than.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, watcharacters said: symptoms but how do you define a nanny state? rules made to control a small minority of morons which cost the country a lot financially but which then affect the big majority of sane folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringogazzer Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 A nanny state is a country that enforces laws that encroach on your personal liberty & common sense. But free to express your disquiet & have them changed. A totalitarian state is one that enforces laws that demand to know where you are at all times & restrict expressing what your thinking or sharing those thoughts if they don't comply. Freedom is an illusion in both but only one your free to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 1 hour ago, ChristianBlessing said: You are searching in vain for a response as subjective as the person offering it. One person's orderly, well-governed society is another's over-regulated, politically correct state. That's an oxymoron, right there. I think there's a huge difference in orderly, well governed and going over the top. In the past 20 years especially, believe the UK has gone over the top... could be to do with the emergence of the fragile, mollycoddled snowflake generation. Folk that haven't travelled are largely in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianBlessing Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 That's an oxymoron, right there. I think there's a huge difference in orderly, well governed and going over the top. In the past 20 years especially, believe the UK has gone over the top... could be to do with the emergence of the fragile, mollycoddled snowflake generation. Folk that haven't travelled are largely in the dark.Were I to have posited both, obviously incongruous perspectives as one and same, then yes, we would have an oxymoron. Equally obvious would be how exceedingly unlikely it would be that a single person would entertain both perspectives. By definition perspective is subjective.A true oxymoron would be a single someone suggesting that folks that haven't traveled are largely in the dark, while at the same time are knowledgeable, introspective and possibly even capable of real insight.Sent from my ASUS Chromebook Flip C100PA using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEVUP Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 7 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: Try Australia: in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555 To the OP I suggest instead of asking here, because who knows where you are, try going to Auss & get a job on a major construction site doing Fly in Fly out & you would be in highest position of answering your own question after being belittled by the Auss Gov. & the International companies you had just worked for. Try your luck you may become a leading hand Rigger (iron worker) even though your a Concretor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEVUP Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 PS They even spent 50,000 on 10 mtrs of hand rail so you didnt take a 3mtr short cut across the 10 mm aggregate incase you heart yourself NOW THATS A NANNY STATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 7 hours ago, impulse said: I could give you volumes of specifics. But I hate typing and I'm pretty sure Google or Wikipedia has already done that. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state NO problem. I could have looked up the google answer. I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term find to be their personal definition. Thank you for the link and I don't' expect you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living in a cartoon Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I define it as a lame, trite expression used mainly by old geezers, dates from the Thatcher era. Anyone who uses it is an inarticulate village idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcharacters Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 17 minutes ago, BEVUP said: To the OP I suggest instead of asking here, because who knows where you are, try going to Auss & get a job on a major construction site doing Fly in Fly out & you would be in highest position of answering your own question after being belittled by the Auss Gov. & the International companies you had just worked for. Try your luck you may become a leading hand Rigger (iron worker) even though your a Concretor I spent many years in the construction industry and retired comfortably from it. I know what safety is all about and I know some follow it and some do not. I worked for a boss who cared nothing about safety and it was up to me to say I won't do it. His goal was to simply save money for the company. He seriously angered me regarding his lack of concern about my safety. I exchange emails with him today and harbor no ill feelings. Please, ALL tell me what you consider a NANNY STATE. I wanted a nanny state in the past when I dealt with my boss on my own and said F you, John, we have to have a a building shut down. My life natters to me even if it costs the building owner more money. Nanny State? What is a nanny state? Not examples but a definition from ones thoughts plaase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 19 minutes ago, watcharacters said: NO problem. I could have looked up the google answer. I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term find to be their personal definition. Thank you for the link and I don't' expect you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought. Some unsolicited thoughts? I'd have framed the question differently and asked what drove us crazy about the nanny states we left behind. Less like a 7th grade social studies essay question and more like an expat blog to vent some frustrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanno Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 What about a country which enforces a no gambling policy to the extreme while it allows criminals, both Thai and Farang, to carry on regardless of laws. Playing a card game called Bridge in which the cops raid and arrest participants. Is that a nanny state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, watcharacters said: NO problem. I could have looked up the google answer. I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term find to be their personal definition. Thank you for the link and I don't' expect you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought. Its Big government, legislating every aspect of your life. Speed and red light cameras everytime you drive, thats fine if they are for safety but its revenue collection. I dont need the Gov to tell me to put on a pushbike helmet to ride 50m to the local shop. Ask anyone from Sydney Australia about 1am lock out laws, chopping down a tree in your own back yard etc Its also legislation that controls your voice, You cant say a lot for fear of being politically incorrect or in breach of some anti racist, anti minority legislation. I dont have a racist bone in my body but I probably dont know what this week PC wording is. It leads to a culture where a manhole cover is a person access point. Yes, I realise that Thailand has some pretty draconian laws and censorship, But I never feel like I am living in a nanny state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 2 hours ago, watcharacters said: I spent many years in the construction industry and retired comfortably from it. I know what safety is all about and I know some follow it and some do not. I worked for a boss who cared nothing about safety and it was up to me to say I won't do it. His goal was to simply save money for the company. He seriously angered me regarding his lack of concern about my safety. I exchange emails with him today and harbor no ill feelings. Please, ALL tell me what you consider a NANNY STATE. I wanted a nanny state in the past when I dealt with my boss on my own and said F you, John, we have to have a a building shut down. My life natters to me even if it costs the building owner more money. Nanny State? What is a nanny state? Not examples but a definition from ones thoughts plaase Not being able to send your kids to school with peanut butter sandwiches. People are no longer responsible for there own welfare, children, etc. The state has stepped in and taken responsibility away from the individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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