How do you define "nanny state"?

[YeahSiam]

2 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I feel the need, especially just because I wish to retire abroad, i.e. not a chance in hell of retiring in "the so called lucky country" because of the cost of living and real estate prices/rent.

 

You see when you work 40 + years in "the lucky country" you should have the full support of the government to retire wherever you please, and should have access to Medicare and of course be provided the opportunity to pay the levy surcharge annually (tax), be able to vote, and of course be able to take your pension when you reach the retirement age of 65, even though you exited the country before the retirement age, i.e. not having to return 2 years prior to obtain it, these are all penalties, what Australia is saying is, if you don't want to live her anymore, then F... O.. and these are the penalties that we are applying to you, but if you leave your money here, we won't tax you, only 10% on the interest on any bank term deposits you have here in Australia, and shares here, we won't tax you if the shares are fully franked (tax paid) and we won't slug you any capital gains tax on any increases on your shares when you sell them, but if you have property here we will take a third of the rent every year and we will take all of the capital gains on the sale from the date you left.

 

But wait there's more, if you come in by boat, or are an immigrant and have 5 kids and are unemployed (working taxis other cash jobs) we will throw money at you and your kids, Family A & B benefits, $11,000 per annum per child, or if your a single mum, we will support you, I could go on, but what's the point, I couldn't dump on Australia all year every year, politicians buying expensive wines, having expensive lunches, 1st class flights overseas, expensive hotels, dogs being chauffeur driven, but if you have paid your taxes for all those years and you want to retire in a similar place, were the cost of living is at least half and you can drive on the same side of the road, then F... Off mate, we don't need you anymore, but your money here is welcome, now don't tell me that, that's not hypocritical and down right unfair.

 

If you think I am not entitled to have a dump on "the lucky country", I will say I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are, fair suck of the sav as the saying goes !

 

I wouldn't argue that it's unfair but it doesn't make it a nanny state.

 

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, YeahSiam said:

 

I wouldn't argue that it's unfair but it doesn't make it a nanny state.

 

 

Anything unfair by a government is a nanny state in my opinion, Australia controls the masses, don't be fooled, it's no different anywhere else to be frank.

[YeahSiam]

53 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Anything unfair by a government is a nanny state in my opinion, Australia controls the masses, don't be fooled, it's no different anywhere else to be frank.

Yeah but fortunately, the world doesn't run on your opinion, does it?

Edited December 6, 2016 by YeahSiam

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎04‎.‎12‎.‎2016 at 9:55 AM, 4MyEgo said:

Try Australia:  in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555

The bureaucrats in NZ would give the Oz ones a run for their money. The morons have now made it too expensive for old people to fix a leak in their roof, due to mandatory scaffolding requirements. Of course they are allowed to do it themselves, but hopefully don't fall off and need 100s of 1,000s of $ worth of hospital care.

Roads now cost zillions more to make due to the requirements for safety railing on inside curves. IMO the bureaucrats that think up these rules should be put on a space ship and sent to Mars.

 

However, the nanny rules don't extend to giving retired people affordable GP fees or ensuring they have a decent place to live. it's all do as we say, and when you get old, f off and die quietly so we can afford to throw money at unmarried mothers.

 

A nanny state would never allow people in back of a ute, or standing on the back step of a baht bus while moving.

They make everyone conform to the level of the most stupid person they can find.

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by thaibeachlovers

[4MyEgo]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The bureaucrats in NZ would give the Oz ones a run for their money. The morons have now made it too expensive for old people to fix a leak in their roof, due to mandatory scaffolding requirements. Of course they are allowed to do it themselves, but hopefully don't fall off and need 100s of 1,000s of $ worth of hospital care.

Roads now cost zillions more to make due to the requirements for safety railing on inside curves. IMO the bureaucrats that think up these rules should be put on a space ship and sent to Mars.

 

However, the nanny rules don't extend to giving retired people affordable GP fees or ensuring they have a decent place to live. it's all do as we say, and when you get old, f off and die quietly so we can afford to throw money at unmarried mothers.

 

A nanny state would never allow people in back of a ute, or standing on the back step of a baht bus while moving.

They make everyone conform to the level of the most stupid person they can find.

 

 

Or as I have seen today a kid as young as 6 or 7 with his sister 4 or 5 two up on a motor scooter crossing a major black spot intersection on a bend with granma flagging him on to go with her grandchild in her arms, what the F... !!!

Edited December 6, 2016 by 4MyEgo

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, YeahSiam said:

Yeah but fortunately, the world doesn't run on your opinion, does it?

 

That's why its an opinion, suffice to say I don't follow the rest of the world.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, 4MyEgo said:

 

Or as I have seen today a kid as young as 6 or 7 with his sister 4 or 5 two up on a motor scooter crossing a major black spot intersection on a bend with granma flagging him on to go with her grandchild in her arms, <deleted> !!!

Indeed. I too have seen such and despaired, but it's how the stupid are culled.

Given the choice of being able to make my own decisions or being forced to conform to the most moronic level of society, I choose making my own decisions.

[4MyEgo]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. I too have seen such and despaired, but it's how the stupid are culled.

Given the choice of being able to make my own decisions or being forced to conform to the most moronic level of society, I choose making my own decisions.

 

With you on that 555

[BEVUP]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed. I too have seen such and despaired, but it's how the stupid are culled.

Given the choice of being able to make my own decisions or being forced to conform to the most moronic level of society, I choose making my own decisions.

& i like to cross the road where i like,  The above is about every day living & learning

What may seem to be idio*ic to us is natural to them since it is there way of life , but on the other hand we have been regulated as to what is require by the system to the extent that if we crossed the road at that spot we would be arrested for Jay walkng because we didnt cross at the lights

[thaibeachlovers]

PS, while I like to make my own decisions, it usually means I take precautions like using a seat belt in the car or a helmet on a bike. I don't agree that stupid people should be able to make bad decisions and expect everyone else to save them when it goes wrong. Ie, state hospital care should not cover people that do not use belts or helmets and cause accidents by driving badly.

[watcharacters]

On 12/4/2016 at 10:21 AM, impulse said:

 

I could give you volumes of specifics.  But I hate typing and I'm pretty sure Google or Wikipedia has already done that.

 

Edit:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state

 

 

I don't want  to tax your patience or effort but I was really looking for individual thoughts and feeling.

 

Too  much to ask?

 

I have mine but no one has inquired..

[elliss]

 

          Definition of a   Nanny  State ,

 where  the  lame and  lazy ,  are  taken care of by the taxpayer

        from the cradle to  grave . aka benefit scrongers 

  Lesson learned ,  Why work .

[georgemandm]

On 04/12/2016 at 9:19 AM, kannot said:

The  problem is theres  always an element of idiots  who take things too  far...............look at the driving for instance in Thailand, if  they  showed a bit more  care  attention and not me me me then rules  would never get employed............speeding is  one example, speeding is  not dangerous in the right conditions, I got  pulled  over in the UK at 3  am in the morning, middle  of Wales  clear  night not freezing dry road  no one  else for miles around totally  safe ...........70mph......................compare with  someone 8 am rush hour weaving in and  out doing 30mph wet road many people about etc etc

Rules get made due to idiots which then get forced onto the many sane people in society due to the few's  irresponsibility

Speeding is speeding night or day .

rules are put in place to make the country a lot better, if we did not have rules people would just going around kille people 

[georgemandm]

On 04/12/2016 at 9:55 AM, 4MyEgo said:

Try Australia:  in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555

Not one thing wrong with Australia rules 

better then driving around thailand, it is like playing  Russian roulette .

[puck2]

What is a „nanny State“ ?

 

Very easy. The state treats people like a „nanny“. The legislative (parliament) is the nanny and you, me, all people of a state are the children who need some protection and regulations for possible and real conflicts. Therefore you need the law or regulations.

 

The regulations are based on many criterias, i.e. Social, political, religious, moral, ethnic, economical, juristic standards. … etc. To have or to win a consensus for all these standards is like talking to all people in the world in a single language which the people won't or cannot understand.

 

To reconcile so many different ideas, feelings, beliefs, is impossible, especially in states which are like melting pots. Between people of different nations it's still more difficult.

 

The gun lovers are against the weapon restrictions, the muslims shouldn't drink alcohol. The US republicans, muslim states are against abortion, the US, and European „liberals“ not. These are only a few exambles showing that there is no consensus within the same nation, continent, maybe neighbours or even friends. Because conflicts cannot and should't be resolved violently, therefore we need some or a lot of regulations which please some people and others not. But we need them.

 

Out of my viewpoint it's better to have more than less regulations to be protected in a legal way, at least. Law is nothing but rules based on many criterias. If you don't have rules you cannot play a game, if you don't have regulations you cannot live in peace. You need them against the bad boys ignoring normal human standarts.

 

For me it's a laughing stock that people refuse abortion (to save life) but are pro-gunners. Oxymoron. Hereby you recognise already how illogically people are who hate the nanny state.

Edited December 10, 2016 by puck2

[puck2]

double (75), sorry

Edited December 10, 2016 by puck2
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[georgemandm]

18 minutes ago, puck2 said:

What is a „nanny State“ ?

 

Very easy. The state treats people like a „nanny“. The legislative (parliament) is the nanny and you, me, all people of a state are the children who need some protection and regulations for possible and real conflicts. Therefore you need the law or regulations.

 

The regulations are based on many criterias, i.e. Social, political, religious, moral, ethnic, economical, juristic standards. … etc. To have or to win a consensus for all these standards is like talking to all people in the world in a single language which the people won't or cannot understand.

 

To reconcile so many different ideas, feelings, beliefs, is impossible, especially in states which are like melting pots. Between people of different nations it's still more difficult.

 

The gun lovers are against the weapon restrictions, the muslims shouldn't drink alcohol. The US republicans, muslim states are against abortion, the US, and European „liberals“ not. These are only a few exambles showing that there is no consensus within the same nation, continent, maybe neighbours or even friends. Because conflicts cannot and should't be resolved violently, therefore we need some or a lot of regulations which please some people and others not. But we need them.

 

Out of my viewpoint it's better to have more than less regulations to be protected in a legal way, at least. Law is nothing but rules based on many criterias. If you don't have rules you cannot play a game, if you don't have regulations you cannot live in peace. You need them against the bad boys ignoring normal human standarts.

 

For me it's a laughing stock that people refuse abortion (to save life) but are pro-gunners. Oxymoron. Hereby you recognise already how illogically people are who hate the nanny state.

Well put 

[phrodan]

A thread full of Daily Mail reading whack jobs.  How cute. 

Too thick of know that the media trawls for PC gone mad stories cos they know they annoy the readership. 

 

Even The Sun admits it made up the "baa baa black sheep," rhyme being banned

[ChidlomDweller]

On 12/5/2016 at 8:22 PM, brling said:

 

 Yup, that is nanny state Thailand, and dont forget press censorship. 

And stupid high sin taxes on alcohol.  Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in.  Never felt restricted or patronized when I lived in Europe or the States.

 

I'm a health freak with zero interest in doing drugs, but that's another case in point.  You can do that pretty much without legal consequences in the West, whereas here it's the end of life as you know it if you get caught.

 

Most of the nanny state laws I hear people on here rail against are about obnoxious things you shouldn't be doing anyway, like not using leaf blowers on sunday afternoon, not driving after drinking (and yes, 3 beers in your system IS too much), not modifying the exhaust on mororcycles, etc.  I suspect a good share of them are criminals as well, who are happy to have bribable police around, and call that "freedom".  

Edited December 11, 2016 by ChidlomDweller

[georgemandm]

13 minutes ago, ChidlomDweller said:

And stupid high sin taxes on alcohol.  Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in.  Never felt restricted or patronized when I lived in Europe or the States.

 

I'm a health freak with zero interest in doing drugs, but that's another case in point.  You can do that pretty much without legal consequences in the West, whereas here it's the end of life as you know it if you get caught.

 

Most of the nanny state laws I hear people on here rail against are about obnoxious things you shouldn't be doing anyway, like not using leaf blowers on sunday afternoon, not driving after drinking (and yes, 3 beers in your system IS too much), not modifying the exhaust on mororcycles, etc.  I suspect a good share of them are criminals as well, who are happy to have bribable police around, and call that "freedom".  

Very , very true and well written.

[watcharacters]

2 hours ago, ChidlomDweller said:

And stupid high sin taxes on alcohol.  Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in.  Never felt restricted or patronized when I lived in Europe or the States.

 

I'm a health freak with zero interest in doing drugs, but that's another case in point.  You can do that pretty much without legal consequences in the West, whereas here it's the end of life as you know it if you get caught.

 

Most of the nanny state laws I hear people on here rail against are about obnoxious things you shouldn't be doing anyway, like not using leaf blowers on sunday afternoon, not driving after drinking (and yes, 3 beers in your system IS too much), not modifying the exhaust on mororcycles, etc.  I suspect a good share of them are criminals as well, who are happy to have bribable police around, and call that "freedom".  

 

 

"Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in."  

 

 I never thought I'd hear a TVF member , say such a thing.    

 

I believe many if not most members feel Thailand allows  them to do as they p0lease as opposed to their Western  home country.

[georgemandm]

11 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

"Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in."  

 

 I never thought I'd hear a TVF member , say such a thing.    

 

I believe many if not most members feel Thailand allows  them to do as they p0lease as opposed to their Western  home country.

You are very wrong , dose thai  immigration let you do as you please I think not .

Or if you have a accident in your car you are to blame because your a western or if a motor bike hits your car you pay because your car is bigger then the motor bike .

I can go on and on .

I never ever complain about this bs saying nanny state back home 

at less in the so called nanny state I have rights not like in thailand no right.

Edited December 11, 2016 by georgemandm
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[ChidlomDweller]

46 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

"Thailand is by far the worst nanny state I've lived in."  

 

 I never thought I'd hear a TVF member , say such a thing.    

 

I believe many if not most members feel Thailand allows  them to do as they p0lease as opposed to their Western  home country.

I'm not going to say it makes my life here unbearable, but since the topic of the thread is the nanny state: For me, I find the press censorship and not being allowed to write what you want (even if the truth and voiced respectfully) or read what you want annoying and extremely patronizing, especially considering the low moral character of those setting those rules!!!  Just a few days ago I was watching BBC news and they were discussing the street protests in South Korea and suddenly, boom, the screen of death took over, with a stock apology for the interruption.  I don't need some moron at the Ministry of Disinformation to decide what I'm allowed to watch or not.  And that includes porn, several UK newspapers, blogs,... that are blocked out.   It's easy enough to get around that with a VPN, but then, why should you have to?   Nanny state.

 

Then, I enjoy a glass or two of wine every evening, but here it's just too &*#$ing expensive.  Why?  Because a few hi-so fossils decided alcohol is a sinful product (never mind rice whiskey).   Barely an hour ago I wanted to buy some cans of beer in the supermarket, till I realized I couldn't because of the alcohol selling times.  Nanny state!

 

Then there's also the flip side, where Thailand does have more freedom.  But wait, what is this freedom?  Utter lawlessness.  Cars forcing their way through at zebra crossings with the walking man on green, modded exhausts, loud music, useless paid-off police, street vendors blocking the pavement, libel laws that protect the guilty, street protesters blocking roads and taking over public space with impunity, and the list goes on and on.  That's the "freedom" I see in this country, #&$holes doing whatever suits them with no regard for anybody else.  

 

Sure, the West isn't perfect, but if I have to pick my poison (with respect to the nanny state issue), I don't have to think twice where I feel more encroached upon, both from overregulation, and lawlessness.  

[i claudius]

You are very wrong , dose thai  immigration let you do as you please I think not .
Or if you have a accident in your car you are to blame because your a western or if a motor bike hits your car you pay because your car is bigger then the motor bike .
I can go on and on .
I never ever complain about this bs saying nanny state back home 
at less in the so called nanny state I have rights not like in thailand no right.

I have had 2 accidents in 10 years ,nobody blamed me because I was a westerner ,both were with bikes,the Thai admired liability,the farang did a runner, I keep hearing the bull,that we are always in the wrong but in 24 years have never come across it, also had 2 Thai girlfriends before my wife ,never once been ripped off ,that is except by a British buisness woman. What am I doing wrong?

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[i claudius]

I have had 2 accidents in 10 years ,nobody blamed me because I was a westerner ,both were with bikes,the Thai admited liability,the farang did a runner, I keep hearing the bull,that we are always in the wrong but in 24 years have never come across it, also had 2 Thai girlfriends before my wife ,never once been ripped off ,that is except by a British buisness woman. What am I doing wrong?

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[chiang mai]

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

You are very wrong , dose thai  immigration let you do as you please I think not .

Or if you have a accident in your car you are to blame because your a western or if a motor bike hits your car you pay because your car is bigger then the motor bike .

I can go on and on .

I never ever complain about this bs saying nanny state back home 

at less in the so called nanny state I have rights not like in thailand no right.

 

Nanny state, Thailand, rubbish! If you think you have more rights "back home" you should go there, alternatively think more seriously about the subject.

[7by7]

On ‎04‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 3:06 AM, i claudius said:

 

You are so right , and to be honest the PC nonsense has gone far to far , i read that now its classed as a hate crime if you say anything bad about "ginger haired people"  what next people with big ears ?

 

Whilst you may think it perfectly acceptable to abuse someone because of their hair colour; many don't and, like all bullying, it can have tragic consequences.

 

Ginger bullying should be a hate crime, dad of dead schoolgirl claims

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A father who claims his red-headed daughter killed herself after suffering years of bullying over her hair colour is calling for the victimisation of ginger people to be made a hate crime

 

‘Kick a Ginger Kid Day’ leads to attacks on schoolchildren

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Secondary school pupils were left battered and bruised after an unofficial ‘Kick a Ginger Kid Day’.

 

On ‎04‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 3:06 AM, i claudius said:

I thought that the BBC had lost the plot ,making nearly half their progs with an interracial couple in it ,but when they but black and middle eastern people in the crowd scenes in Britain in the middle ages in an episode of Dr Who , i cringed , and dont get me started on "the artful dodger" being black in the last Dickens series .

 

Half the BBC output has an interracial couple in them? Living in the UK rather than Thailand I probably watch more BBC programming than you and I can't say that I've noticed this. Indeed most presenters on the BBC are white.

 

 

 

 

 

 

There have been black and Middle Eastern people in England since Roman times, so it is perfectly possible that a crowd in the Middle Ages, particularly at an event such as this, would contain such. Besides, it was all a set up by the Daleks to capture The Doctor, so historical accuracy is not to be expected.

 

What is wrong with having a black actor play Jack Dawkins? 

 

Was Fagin black? Nineteenth century newspaper cutting suggests Dickens character was 60-year old 'child stealer' called Henry

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• Dickens may have based Fagin on a 60 year old Victorian black criminal called Henry Murphy
• Real life Artful dodger may have been Murphy's son
• The Victorian author regularly drew inspiration for his characters from newspaper cuttings

 

None of which, like your anti PC post, has anything to do with the subject of this topic. A nany state and political correctness are not the same.

 

From Wikipedia

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Nanny state is a term of British origin that conveys a view that a government or its policies are overprotective or interfering unduly with personal choice.^[1] The term "nanny state" likens government to the role that a nanny has in child rearing. An early usage of the term comes from Conservative British MP Iain Macleod who referred to "what I like to call the nanny state" in the December 3, 1965 edition of The Spectator.^[2]

 

 

[georgemandm]

1 hour ago, i claudius said:

I have had 2 accidents in 10 years ,nobody blamed me because I was a westerner ,both were with bikes,the Thai admired liability,the farang did a runner, I keep hearing the bull,that we are always in the wrong but in 24 years have never come across it, also had 2 Thai girlfriends before my wife ,never once been ripped off ,that is except by a British buisness woman. What am I doing wrong?

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Look good on you happy for you , but thailand is a nanny state in its own way , I could go on about the bs here but just sick of telling the truth about thailand of how  I see it .

Because if you start say this and that about thailand you get put down by unhappy man who have nothing better to do then take the piss out of you .

i am not a thai bashes , because I think most thai people are good but like all over the world you have the good and the bad .

 

[georgemandm]

On 11/12/2016 at 6:54 PM, chiang mai said:

 

Nanny state, Thailand, rubbish! If you think you have more rights "back home" you should go there, alternatively think more seriously about the subject.

Rubbish , you are wrong ok thailand is a nanny state in it own way .

i do have rights back home not like here .

and I am going back home no problems you can have your thailand nanny state to your self.

no need to think seriously about the the truth thailand is a nanny state.

Edited December 12, 2016 by georgemandm
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[georgemandm]

On 11/12/2016 at 5:50 PM, ChidlomDweller said:

I'm not going to say it makes my life here unbearable, but since the topic of the thread is the nanny state: For me, I find the press censorship and not being allowed to write what you want (even if the truth and voiced respectfully) or read what you want annoying and extremely patronizing, especially considering the low moral character of those setting those rules!!!  Just a few days ago I was watching BBC news and they were discussing the street protests in South Korea and suddenly, boom, the screen of death took over, with a stock apology for the interruption.  I don't need some moron at the Ministry of Disinformation to decide what I'm allowed to watch or not.  And that includes porn, several UK newspapers, blogs,... that are blocked out.   It's easy enough to get around that with a VPN, but then, why should you have to?   Nanny state.

 

Then, I enjoy a glass or two of wine every evening, but here it's just too &*#$ing expensive.  Why?  Because a few hi-so fossils decided alcohol is a sinful product (never mind rice whiskey).   Barely an hour ago I wanted to buy some cans of beer in the supermarket, till I realized I couldn't because of the alcohol selling times.  Nanny state!

 

Then there's also the flip side, where Thailand does have more freedom.  But wait, what is this freedom?  Utter lawlessness.  Cars forcing their way through at zebra crossings with the walking man on green, modded exhausts, loud music, useless paid-off police, street vendors blocking the pavement, libel laws that protect the guilty, street protesters blocking roads and taking over public space with impunity, and the list goes on and on.  That's the "freedom" I see in this country, #&$holes doing whatever suits them with no regard for anybody else.  

 

Sure, the West isn't perfect, but if I have to pick my poison (with respect to the nanny state issue), I don't have to think twice where I feel more encroached upon, both from overregulation, and lawlessness.  

The best thing I have read on tv in two years you are just telling the truth how it is good on you keep it up .