SWEYNE67 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 hi ... i'm considering buying a new Ford Ecosport. Have checked other options like Honda HRV and Mazda CX3 but they are too expensive. My big concern about the Ford is the problem many buyers have experienced worldwide re the dodgy powershift gearbox ... have the powershift problems been resolved on Thai Ecosports? ... Can't get any answers from Ford ... any help pls ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve187 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 have you looked at the Honda brv, 750,000 and the Nissan livina 742,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Well like the Fiesta it has the 6-Speed Powershift. We have had the fiesta 18 months now and no problems. Have a look at Austrailian Ford Forum..you might need a VPN. I thought after the kates TCM software. Ask the seller if there is still a 10 year warranty on parts of the gearbox. Whatever I would take out PPP ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEYNE67 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 many thanks for the very quick replies will check out the BRV and Livina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryford Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Like JAS21 i've had my Fiesta 18 months with no gearbox issues, had new software installed so maybe no problem now !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 It's by far the worst Ford made here. Tiny front seats, cheap plastics (as bad as Toyota) and ergonomically suspect. The facelifted version that isn't here yet is supposed to be a significant improvement over the Mk1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, JaseTheBass said: It's by far the worst Ford made here. Tiny front seats, cheap plastics (as bad as Toyota) and ergonomically suspect. The facelifted version that isn't here yet is supposed to be a significant improvement over the Mk1. Quite a bit about the 'facelift 2017' on the internet. Maybe even be a choice of engines ... have been told that Thais are not keen on the 'tiny' 3 cyl engine...in the Fiesta though. If you are not desperate I would wait for the Bangkok Motor Show ... end of next March. Edited December 18, 2016 by JAS21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Quite a bit about the 'facelift 2017' on the internet. Maybe even be a choice of engines ... have been told that Thais are not keen on the 'tiny' 3 cyl engine...in the Fiesta though. If you are not desperate I would wait for the Bangkok Motor Show ... end of next March. True. Thais prefer mediocrity.Sent from my R2D2 using my C3P0 manservant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRRR Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Nope they havent fixed the problem and its world wide, id steer clear of a Ford and while your at it a GM car too, as for Ford a good friend of mine who's company that she works for are contracted to Ford she personally has been working over time handling the complaints there in BKK for Thai clients mainly on the issue you just mentioned.....there is very little on the horizon at present, she is rather stressed as she has no answer for the aggravated owners... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEYNE67 Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Thankfully I'm not in a rush to get a new car so will wait a while and see what develops ... with cars looking so alike these days it's not very exciting choosing a new model, especially as I want to spend less than 800k baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEYNE67 Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Checked out the Honda BRV... good points - price ok and good boot space bad points - from the side just looks like a slightly taller Honda Mobilio... The Ford is still top of my wanted list but will check out next years motor shows and try and find out when the transmission problems have really been fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 It's funny how the bigger Flords are far less trouble for the owners than the smaller eco Flords are. Back in Australia I am driving a Flord Territory with a 4L six engine that sucks fuel like an old 5.8L engine! And if the low fuel light comes on the LHF window won't go down and the rear window wiper won't work either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 This might be slightly off topic but after buying new Toyota's for more than 30 years both in Australia and Thailand and having no problems plus great service, four months ago I bought a new Ford Everest Titanium in Chiang Mai I am happy with the car but the after sales service has been appalling. It took an email to the US to get any action and if you want a handbook you have to download the several hundred pages from the internet. Perhaps in other provinces they understand the meaning of the words "customer service". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC1 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Checked out the Honda BRV... good points - price ok and good boot space bad points - from the side just looks like a slightly taller Honda Mobilio... The Ford is still top of my wanted list but will check out next years motor shows and try and find out when the transmission problems have really been fixed.I'm in a similar situation to you. I've had a Honda jazz for 10 years, never any problems and good service from Honda. I like the look of the eco sport but would prefer it with the eco boost engine. My preference is probably now leaning towards the BRV. I think it looks ok and the Honda service is good. I know two people with eco sports and they both complain about Ford service and also about it being a noisy ride in the cabin. I have driven one and found it ok. I'm not interested in spending loads more money on a car for the Thai roads. I've had a truck before and don't want another truck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bark Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Better to buy a North American car if it is not made in North America, I think. Parts for cars and trucks are made all over the world. Assembly of the cars/trucks is most important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The Eco sport has the same gear as the Focus and Fiesta, I had a Focus and the gear box clutch system gave up after 3 years. The clutch system with these "cheaper" gear boxes are dry type with two clutches, one for every second gear, so for the first gear there is one and then another for the second gear and for the third gear the same clutch as for the first gear and so on. Trouble with the dry type is they need just the same maintenance as any normal dry type clutch, with replacement of friction parts on a regular basis. These gear boxes are not like the standard automatic gear box which just keeps on functioning for years and years with little maintenance, however more fuel consumption. The wet type clutches used on the Ranger and Everest are more costly but lower maintenance. I bought a Ranger after dumping the Focus and I am very happy with it, a lot of space inside for the family and quality throughout, for a very good price. Best car I have ever had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubster Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, StevieAus said: This might be slightly off topic but after buying new Toyota's for more than 30 years both in Australia and Thailand and having no problems plus great service, four months ago I bought a new Ford Everest Titanium in Chiang Mai I am happy with the car but the after sales service has been appalling. It took an email to the US to get any action and if you want a handbook you have to download the several hundred pages from the internet. Perhaps in other provinces they understand the meaning of the words "customer service". I think you hit the nail on the head. Toyota has the best service here and you will never find a place here where they don't know how to work on it. I drove Fords in the US, but I am afraid of the service performance and availability here. I have a guy in my small village in Issan that works on my Toyota and he can see my entire service record in his computer. He told me that for my next oil change I should change the serpentine belt, he said this will cost 3000 more baht. That would be at least 6000 baht in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAS21 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, StevieAus said: This might be slightly off topic but after buying new Toyota's for more than 30 years both in Australia and Thailand and having no problems plus great service, four months ago I bought a new Ford Everest Titanium in Chiang Mai I am happy with the car but the after sales service has been appalling. It took an email to the US to get any action and if you want a handbook you have to download the several hundred pages from the internet. Perhaps in other provinces they understand the meaning of the words "customer service". No they don't understand it any better in Nonthaburi ... The manual that you downloaded ... it was the Aussie one? ...if not would you please send me a link ... thanks When I had the V-Cross I got super service ...if the Dealer saw us when we went there he would come out and chat. A big pity that Isuzu didn't build the Everest .... Edited December 19, 2016 by JAS21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansell Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Right now the Mazda 3 is on sale at zero percent interest. Why not use their money for a number of years, especially if you have the baht to buy it outright. Just a thought. Personally I am buying a Toyota Corolla Altis. Strangely they told me they only sell the stick shift to taxi drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartan Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I bought Ford Ecosport Titanium for a week a go and happy owner so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post donmuang37 Posted December 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2016 My wife drives a 2010 Ford Fiesta with the 6 speed dual clutch transmission which we bought new. Initially, we had some transmission jerking/confusion when backing off throttle at low speeds and quickly accelerating again. Not serious, but annoying. Received a recall notice and took it in for transmission software reprogramming. No problems since. Upgrading to a Focus next month. All Ford family: I drive a 2014 Ranger Wildtrak 3.2 - love it and so does my wife. Service has been excellent on both vehicles. Good luck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donmuang37 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hi again, A word of clarification which I forgot in last post: my Ranger has a conventional 6 speed torque converter transmission and so does the new Focus we have on order. Have had no problems with the Ranger transmission; the shifting is very smooth and unobtrusive in most instances. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Mansell said: Right now the Mazda 3 is on sale at zero percent interest. Why not use their money for a number of years, especially if you have the baht to buy it outright. Just a thought. Personally I am buying a Toyota Corolla Altis. Strangely they told me they only sell the stick shift to taxi drivers. Still at 0% as per the Motor Expo offer then. My understanding at the show was that they don't have any 5-Door ones left and won't have anymore as the facelift is out soon ...you have the same info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sakeopete Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 8 hours ago, StevieAus said: This might be slightly off topic but after buying new Toyota's for more than 30 years both in Australia and Thailand and having no problems plus great service, four months ago I bought a new Ford Everest Titanium in Chiang Mai I am happy with the car but the after sales service has been appalling. It took an email to the US to get any action and if you want a handbook you have to download the several hundred pages from the internet. Perhaps in other provinces they understand the meaning of the words "customer service". I bought my second new Toyota in 2008 and it had a dodgy AC system that leaked out the refrigerant within a week. I took it to the dealer near my home (Sakeo) to get it fixed after 5 days we go to pick it up and I can't move the shift selector without using the small button(re-assembly mistake). I pointed this out to the service desk and the manager said no problem just push the button every time you shift <deleted>! Luckily my wife lost it on him and when she cooled down they kept it for another day to fix it. In the end they put in a new AC system low and behold it still leaked. So I took it to the showroom in Bangkok where we purchased it a month earlier and they had a crack at fixing the AC, yup you guessed it they didn't fix the leak either. Next attempt was at the showroom on Ram Intra where they kept it for 2 days and said they found the problem, nope after 10 days the AC stopped working again. Finally I decide to give B-Quik a shot at fixing it and they did it LOL it took a third party to show up 3 Toyota dealers. Morale of the story is that even Toyota can give crap service. I own a Mitsubishi and a Ford too honestly Ford so far is the only dealer I have no complaints about. Don't get me started on Hua Hin Mitsubish @%$@%$&&@! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWEYNE67 Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 The 2016 Ford Ecosport is said to be able to use the nice and cheap fuel E85. Sounds good but does it reduce the car's performance noticeably? And I've read it can cause long term damage to the fuel system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterphil Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Yes if your a good mechanic. No if you have any sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinpeter Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) On 18/12/2559 at 5:19 PM, ALCOLLOP said: The Ford is still top of my wanted list but will check out next years motor shows and try and find out when the transmission problems have really been fixed. Hi there/. ALCOLLOP I bought a Ecosport Trend model in 2014 - still going strong (love everyday) still when i drive it! best decision i made from a vois to Ecosport model. Powershift ok 6 speed very good (quicker acceleration than my vois upto speed). Now nearly 2 and half years old, no problems so far - you need a good dealer? mine is Phetkasem Ford, Bangkae! - excellent service and help in anyway (nothing is to much trouble for them!). They clean, wax, mop and polish my suv every 3 months (400 baht) 2/3 hr service - better than i could ever do! (great) I upgraded from new to leather seats (9k) very good, plus lots of extras in deal! and 5 year warranty inc. (my deal) I use gasohol 91 fuel best - seems same power as benzine, tried E20 seemed loss of power difference and worse consumption than 91 Seems like you are set on Ecosport - buy a suv that you want? not others? New upgrade model on the way soon? maybe late next year? nobody can tell me for sure with sync 3 (would be nice) can link gps map onto display screen. For the price range -Trend model suited us! don't need sunroof, push button start etc (maybe another 80k) difference Titanium model. Would like new 1 litre engine (turbo) but cannot run with powershift model yet? (maybe turbo problem in hot country in Thailand though) - i think they are holding it back till later? as Fiesta has both now! hope this helps you (happy Ecosport owner) cheers Edited December 20, 2016 by Martinpeter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 On SWMBO's Eco' I switch off the traction control everytime I drive it and it 'seems/feels' to be smoother changes up and down. Nearly 2 years now and 40,000 K no problems so far. Should I have said that????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 On 19/12/2016 at 10:44 AM, AlQaholic said: The Eco sport has the same gear as the Focus and Fiesta, I had a Focus and the gear box clutch system gave up after 3 years. The clutch system with these "cheaper" gear boxes are dry type with two clutches, one for every second gear, so for the first gear there is one and then another for the second gear and for the third gear the same clutch as for the first gear and so on. Trouble with the dry type is they need just the same maintenance as any normal dry type clutch, with replacement of friction parts on a regular basis. These gear boxes are not like the standard automatic gear box which just keeps on functioning for years and years with little maintenance, however more fuel consumption. The wet type clutches used on the Ranger and Everest are more costly but lower maintenance. I bought a Ranger after dumping the Focus and I am very happy with it, a lot of space inside for the family and quality throughout, for a very good price. Best car I have ever had. Owners of Porches and Audis with the dual clutch system also complain about the same issues that Fiesta owners do... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 And to think my other car 42 years old with a bog standard 3 speed changes gear smoothly up or down and by reading a few books and googles you can actually adjust and fix things yourself. All these double clutches, traction controls might be good idea for F1 cars but in my mind car companies love them, A. as a marketting tool. B. as a way of gouging more money out of a gullible public.ĺ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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