41 minutes ago, ianf said:

Both you & Jag are well-known supporters of Thaksin. Your responses and rudeness reflect this.

 

The predictable lame response of apologists for the status quo who are too inarticulate to make a coherent case.Actually there is an argument for the way Thai politics are now being handled (though I don't share it).However on this forum I have not as yet seen it been deployed effectively.

1 hour ago, ianf said:

Both you & Jag are well-known supporters of Thaksin. Your responses and rudeness reflect this.

 

I support people mandated elected government. Democracy no matter how flawed is still better than a government that comes to power from the barrel of a gun and without a people's mandate, period.   

“Most people understand the reasons and necessity behind the act, but they don’t express their opinions,” the general and junta leader said.

 

And the evidence for this statement?  None, of course - as usual from a dictatorial leader who clearly sees himself as a much-loved father figure by a population increasingly cowed into conformity.

 

Ah, well - they do say illusion (or delusion in this instance) is the first of all pleasures.

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Both you & Jag are well-known supporters of Thaksin. Your responses and rudeness reflect this.

The Internet forum equivalent of" I'm taking my football home so no one can play with it, so there!"

I rather think both Eric Loh's and my responses give some perfectly valid arguments for not agreeing with you.

If not agreeing with you is a definition of rudeness then I plead guilty.

As for being a "well known supporter of Thaksin" , I support the right of the Thai people to choose who governs them. Since they seem to rather consistently choose Thaksin or his proxies then I suppose that could be seen as me supporting him.

I prefer Walls Ice Cream over other brands, does that make me a well known supporter of Unilever?

6 hours ago, ianf said:

Eric: Nothing to do with the military. There was no democracy here under the other rulers. Why? Because democracy can only exist within the rule of law which is sadly lacking here in Thailand. Democracy is a term that was hijacked and used by Thaksin in order to undermine the Abhisit government. But in all his actions, speeches and statements Thaksin set himself forward as a would-be dictator, no better and no worse than the military administrations we have seen. We all know, Eric, that you believe the Red Shirts under their self-exiled leader is a democratic movement, but it is simply not. How can you have a democracy in a country where, firstly the families are organised in such a hierarchical way, when the school teacher cannot be questioned, when your manager at work is right in everything he says and so on all the way up the hierarchy. It's the culture here. You'll never get democracy here until there is a fundamental change in the culture. Look at how people laugh at the rule of law: Red Bull heir, rampant corruption at every level, the woman sentenced to death but released on bail, the complete refusal of the Thais to observe basic road rules. On and on it goes: all of these run counter to a democratic society.

But but Thaksin.......was elected.

 

6 hours ago, ianf said:

Not so stupid. Read my response to Eric below. And not insulting to Thais because I know many who agree with this view: especially those who have spent time in Europe. You have to remove your cultural blinkers Jayboy. Democracy, such as it is, may trundle along in the West, but does that mean it's good for here? A bit more depth, rather than insults, may produce some interesting discussion.

Democracy is democracy is democracy. Everywhere. The govts can be good or bad but can be voted out by the people. Something you fanboys don't seem to understand, or more likely, are willing to ignore.

 

lets get that single gateway installed so the hackers can concentrate on one target. 

 

“Most people understand the reasons and necessity behind the act, but they don’t express their opinions,” the general and junta leader said. “Most people who express their opinions are the people who are putting up resistance to it.”

 

 

No, it's not a silent majority, it's a lack of genuine support coming from the people themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, ianf said:

Democracy, such as it is, may trundle along in the West, but does that mean it's good for here? A bit more depth, rather than insults, may produce some interesting discussion.

 

About as much depth as discussing whether civilised behaviour on the roads is good for here or not.

 

And yes you are obnoxious in your view of the average Thai if you think there is any alternative to the average Thai having some kind of control over their destiny with a VOTE.

 

"Not very good at riding bicycles, are they, these funny little cute people. Perhaps bicycles aren't good for them."

 

Depth

1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

lets get that single gateway installed so the hackers can concentrate on one target. 

 

 

Indeed.

 

The most amazing loss of face in the history of Project Thai, a plunger up their Single Plughole complete blackout.

 

Nevermind, they can finally claim they came up with something new to save face: The Thailand Intranet

 

"We got our own one now," said the Toad at the photo session with the three Win98SE Pentium IIIs connected with golden strings and sticky tape, in perfect isolation from the world and it's Cyber Hell of Information.

 

Information isolation

 

That's gotta be an old Hawkwind track in at least one parallel universe somewhere.

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, worgeordie said:

So everyone is uninformed,thats right because no one knows what

the next move from the Government will be,like the "One gateway",

regards worgeordie

 

They already have in place a "one got away" !!     And it works very good, thank you.

14 hours ago, ianf said:

Both you & Jag are well-known supporters of Thaksin. Your responses and rudeness reflect this.

and so can I assume you are just the same as the yellow elitist who has never understood and called and look down on supporters of Thaksin as poor uneducated Buffalos just as you think that Jag and Eric's responses are rude and reflect who they support.

 

Why don't you try and understand why someone likes or vote for a certain someone first before you make a judgment?

Are the elected all failures who can only buy votes like Thaksin or am able to win by appealing to racist and bigots like Trump?

 

I was actually agreeing with you on some points that you actually made b4 till u made this comment. 

 

If you want to debate what on Jag or Eric comment, then debate. Don't just simply go stereotype and go pfff.. Thaksin Supporters. 

 

 

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On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 10:05 AM, Eric Loh said:

 

Good point when Thailand had more coups years than elected. The military made sure democracy will never exist.

Democracy has never existed for the simple reason the Military play on that LM rule and whilst the Westminster system controls the British Commonwealth (if U get my drift ) this is not so in Thailand. This is about the best I can do otherwise it will come under LM

He will get the same result Barack Obama did when he told Vladimir Putin to "cut it out".