Sale of painkiller to be restricted amid teen craze

[fforest1]

4 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

Really, you think that!

Yes chiang mai I do...

[chiang mai]

1 minute ago, fforest1 said:

Yes chiang mai I do...

 

Then please read post 15 and perhaps your concerns can be set aside.

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

I am tired of druggies making my life more complicated; it is time to start killing them all off.

 

If the lack of availability is going to affect you that much, you're likely to be pretty high up on your own hit list.

[Kasset Tak]

You can find and buy so many drugs that already are under prescription/only available in hospital in most of these small local pharmacies. My nephew wanted some alprazolam (Xanax) for long flights so we went to the pharmacy and asked. They offered him 0.25, 0.5 or 1mg in packs of 10, 50, 100 or 1,000... alprazolam is one of those drugs that you can "only" get at a hospitals according to the rules.

 

But I just wounder how they are thinking when they are setting a limit to theses pills while they are mulling making kratom and marijuana legal...

[kannot]

3 hours ago, chiang mai said:

 

My post was about the UK, not Thailand.

sorry didnt  realise we  were in the Uk ...however Im sure  Mr Patel is  not to fussy who he serves......in the UK

Edited December 22, 2016 by kannot

[chiang mai]

2 minutes ago, kannot said:

sorry didnt  realise we  were in the Uk ...however Im sure  Mr Patel is  not to fussy who he serves......in the UK

 

The article is about restrictions on pharmaceutical sales to the public in Thailand, several posters then jumped on the "only in Thailand" bandwagon and started to bash.

 

My post was merely to point out that those same restrictions exist in the UK and Europe (and opiates are heavily restricted in the US) hence Thailand is not unique - my point about the sale of knives being restricted relates to the UK also.

 

But I think could have probably worked all of that out by yourself, but didn't.

 

 

[JustNo]

33 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said:

You can find and buy so many drugs that already are under prescription/only available in hospital in most of these small local pharmacies. My nephew wanted some alprazolam (Xanax) for long flights so we went to the pharmacy and asked. They offered him 0.25, 0.5 or 1mg in packs of 10, 50, 100 or 1,000... alprazolam is one of those drugs that you can "only" get at a hospitals according to the rules.

 

But I just wounder how they are thinking when they are setting a limit to theses pills while they are mulling making kratom and marijuana legal...

That is true enough, but if somehow you were caught with xanax by the BiB, especially if for some reason you bought 1,000, you could be in serious trouble. They'd probably just extort you anyway, but it won't be a happy situation.

 

Edited December 22, 2016 by JustNo

[wpcoe]

1 hour ago, AlQaholic said:

I don't get it, All that happens when I eat Tramadol is; I get sleepy and go to bed? Even when I overdose. If I mix it with alcohol I get even more sleepy. 

If becoming sleepy is the result of taking it, what's the point?

 

Seems different people react differently.   When I take it (for occasional back pain or acute headaches) I canNOT sleep.  My mind goes into hyperdrive.  Same for a friend of mine who was looking for chronic pain relief.

 

On the general topic of the thread, if the problem was with teens abusing the drug, why not ban sales to minors?  Alcohol has those ridiculous sales hours to restrict sales to minors.  If it works for alcohol, why not tramadol?

[garet]

What a foolish knee-jerk reaction. First of all, you can only get tramadol with a doctor's prescription. If some tennagers are abusing it, then ban administering it to anyone younger than 20.  I doubt doctors are prescribing it to teenagers anyway so they must be getting it another way.

 

I just had knee surgery and tramadol was the only medication the surgeon prescribed here that actually worked.  With a ration of 10, I would've had go back to the hospital every 3-4 days during the first month. I stopped taking them a month after surgery anyway, but they made the pain tolerable during those first 3 weeks.

[Rob13]

2 minutes ago, garet said:

First of all, you can only get tramadol with a doctor's prescription

 

You sure about that?

[Ulic]

A much better solution is if teenagers are abusing Tramadol, just stop selling Tramadol

to teenagers.

[garet]

2 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

You sure about that?

I went to the pharmacy and they said you can only get it with a doctor's prescription. Some pharmacies may be lax about that.  Just ban the sale without prescription or to minors. Don't make people recovering form injury jump through more hoops just to get effective pain relief.

[Suradit69]

Tried to buy Tramadol yesterday at Fascino ... it was prescribed by a doctor at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya ... and couldn't. Was offered Ultracet instead, which does contain Tramadol, but whenever I take Ultracet I suffer from insomnia.

 

Will have to go back to the doctor to get it dispensed at hospital. I only have been taking it once or twice a week, but can see where it could easily become addicting. Probably best to get along without it for awhile. 

 

Not really bothered by the additional expense or the restricted sales. In the US opioid abuse is killing people at an alarming rate.

 

Quote

Drug overdose deaths and opioid-involved deaths continue to increase in the United States. The majority of drug overdose deaths (more than six out of ten) involve an opioid.¹ Since 1999, the number of overdose deaths involving opioids (including prescription opioids and heroin) quadrupled.²From 2000 to 2015 more than half a million people died from drug overdoses. 91 Americans die every day from an opioid overdose.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/epidemic/

[Rob13]

1 minute ago, garet said:

I went to the pharmacy and they said you can only get it with a doctor's prescription. Some pharmacies may be lax about that.  Just ban the sale without prescription or to minors. Don't make people recovering form injury jump through more hoops just to get effective pain relief.

 

The problem is though  the guys selling the drugs probably aren't getting them legally and they're  definitely aren't selling them legally. 

[mcfish]

Whole stocks to be sold out today. Anyone can buy any kind of drug in Thailand without any prescription.
 
Send one journalist with a secret camera, let me show where anyone can buy. I am not sure hardly any drug store checks any prescription.
 
All you need is proper name of the medicine, or the generic name to get another brand.

A box of a 1000 are still available in Pattaya. Thailand is fast becoming the place not to retire with chronic pain issues

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[garet]

3 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

The problem is though  the guys selling the drugs probably aren't getting them legally and they're  definitely aren't selling them legally. 

Limiting the legitimate sale of the drug won't limit people who buy and sell it without prescription, because they're already breaking the law. The people getting it with prescriptions form hospitals aren't the ones abusing it so a law limiting the sale to people who obtain it in a proper way it foolish.

[mcfish]

Limiting the legitimate sale of the drug won't limit people who buy and sell it without prescription, because they're already breaking the law. The people getting it with prescriptions form hospitals aren't the ones abusing it so a law limiting the sale to people who obtain it in a proper way it foolish.

Please stop making sense.

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[Rob13]

If they were serious about eliminating the problem they'd start with stricter controls of the pills when they leave the factory followed up with a police crack down on the dealers. Just making it illegal to sell to minors is pretty useless.

[DrTuner]

So now they'll have to pay the extra 30baht to get their bag of goodies. The good doctor will throw in a bag of 100 antibiotics as a bonus.

Edited December 22, 2016 by DrTuner

[chiang mai]

26 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

If they were serious about eliminating the problem they'd start with stricter controls of the pills when they leave the factory followed up with a police crack down on the dealers. Just making it illegal to sell to minors is pretty useless.

 

Can you begin to imagine how many pharmacies there are in Thailand and how many of them sell things they aren't allowed to. There are only about two or three big distributors in Thailand who control the market and distribution, they are the people who import the drugs under license and sell on to the individual pharmacies. If the government can't effectively control the storage and sale of rice there's no hope with something like pharmaceuticals.

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Now the board will limit the number of pills that pharmacies can sell at any one time to 10.

Yes I guess they will have to just make more trips to solve their problem.

[mcfish]

Tens of thousands will be stressed out at the news. Why punish the elderly and disabled because of some punk kids!
The Max daily dose is 8x50 mg tabs so those that need this just to walk to the mailbox will now need an extended journey to the pharmacy just about every single day..

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[impulse]

One big issue- the tighter they try to control the real thing, the more fakes are going to pop up.  

 

I'd already be suspicious of mom and pop pharmacies that sell meds they're not legally allowed to sell.  Not hard to believe they'd go the way of the sidewalk kiosks selling all kinds of ED pills.  Any bets on how many of them are genuine Viagra?

[NickJ]

It will go the way that all the otc Tylenol codeine did a decade or so did. Used to be able to buy a strip for thirty baht.

I asked a pharmacist friend about codeine Tylenol being readily available.  This was decades ago. He said alot of Thais couldn't get to a hospital or clinic. It seemed almost a decent thing.  Then abuse became rampant. 

It's the recreational users and abusers that ruined it for people who generally needed it. 

Cambodia still sells everything otc.i know guys that make trips over there just to buy codeine. 

[dcnx]

The thing that amazes me about the baboons running this madhouse is, they can get together and make new rules or ban things literally overnight, yet they can't do f*** all about real issues plaguing the country, no matter how much time and effort they throw at it.

 

And while I'm at it, let me thank them for causing a soon to come price increase on tramadol as well as creating a black market for it. Well done, a-holes, you have accomplished nothing, as usual.

 

I think all the hair dye these old men use has seeped into their version of a brain and caused serious damage.

[buick]

i enjoy a couple beers and a tramadol to ease the pain of a medium haul flight (3-7 hrs).  also helps me with my golf game.  don't shoot a better score but my body doesn't feel much pain and then i can ice up the back after the round (that is ice from the freezer !!!  not the 'ice' from drug pushers).  i'll be fine with a limit of 10.  sounds reasonable. 

[licka]

Better ban the use of bikes and cars to anyone with an IQ of a gnat

That takes care of all the nutters  out there now  

[timber]

Don't understand why people say Thailand is a problem.  Is a problem in many countries.  Rules may not be as strict in Thailand, but not as strict in Turkey also.

 

[The Deerhunter]

6 hours ago, Jeffrey346 said:

If they knew about this issue for 3 years, what took so long to restrict the sale??

Look how long it took to do any thing about the Dhammakaya.  Priorities of the powers-that-be are not necessarily connected to promptly serving the voters, taxpayers people holding Thai citizenship.

[Tony125]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

So what's next? ban the sale of day everything just because of one deranged

person has misused them? do you ban the sale of kitchen knives when some

crazed people use them to stab other people?

as was said before, logic, common sense and lateral thinking not

the strongest suit of the policy makers in this county....

 

In the USA cough syryp containing codein was prohibited from over the counter sales as people were drinking it to get high. Also ephedrine  used for alergy sneezing was taken off the shelves as it is used to make meth.