WP cancelled, NON B doesnt expire til May2017

[wanderer0511]

Hi all! I had tried to find a similar situation but I was not successful! So apologies in advance if this has been answered before.

 

I was just wondering what will happen if my work permit has been cancelled in November and my NonB Mult. Entry visa doesn't expire until May 2017. I was thinking I was just gonna chill out in Thailand until I get my application to oz is ready. For some reason I never had to do the 90day reporting but instead had to always do visa runs every 3 months. My next one is due on the 3rd of February. Will I have problems coming back with the Non B visa? 

 

Thank you for the help! 

[ubonjoe]

You multiple entry non-b visa will remain valid. At a few border crossings you might be asked to show your work permit when you enter the country at an airport is should never be a problem.

Only an extension of stay based upon working ends when your job ends.

[wanderer0511]

Great! Thank you! I was thinking that it shouldn't be a problem too anyway but figured I'd ask just in case. 

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, wanderer0511 said:

Great! Thank you! I was thinking that it shouldn't be a problem too anyway but figured I'd ask just in case. 

 

If you leave by air and enter again a couple of days before the use by date you should get another 90 days taking you to sometime July/August depending enter by date.

[Bangel72]

It might be worth double checking. If the visa was issued on the basis of the work permit there can be a 7 day cancellation of the visa following cancellation of the work. I got caught off guard on this before, made the mistake of going to the BOI office when they cancelled the work permit, unfortunately this was 7 days after I had officially stopped work so they back dated it and cancelled the visa associated with the work the same day.

 

Bit of a mad rush across town to Chang Wattana to resuscitate a secondary visa that was valid but dormant. Same day leave with partner, house and kids here would not have been ideal.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, Bangel72 said:

It might be worth double checking. If the visa was issued on the basis of the work permit there can be a 7 day cancellation of the visa following cancellation of the work. I got caught off guard on this before, made the mistake of going to the BOI office when they cancelled the work permit, unfortunately this was 7 days after I had officially stopped work so they back dated it and cancelled the visa associated with the work the same day.

 

Bit of a mad rush across town to Chang Wattana to resuscitate a secondary visa that was valid but dormant. Same day leave with partner, house and kids here would not have been ideal.

You had an extension of stay issued by immigration not a valid non-b visa issued by an embassy or consulate. A visa and/or an entry from it remains valid when you stop working.

[coxo]

Your Non B must be cancelled by you within 7 days of your WP being cancelled, if not you will be on overstay, exactly the same happened to me and it cost me a lot of money, go to immigration and speak to them, you will only get BS on the forum here!!!

 

[ThaiWai]

28 minutes ago, coxo said:

Your Non B must be cancelled by you within 7 days of your WP being cancelled, if not you will be on overstay, exactly the same happened to me and it cost me a lot of money, go to immigration and speak to them, you will only get BS on the forum here!!!

 

 

Doubtful.  You probably had an extension not a visa.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, coxo said:

Your Non B must be cancelled by you within 7 days of your WP being cancelled, if not you will be on overstay, exactly the same happened to me and it cost me a lot of money, go to immigration and speak to them, you will only get BS on the forum here!!!

 

 

Absolute cr-p.

Before you post information like this again please learn and digest the following.

A visa is issued outside of Thailand and no one can cancel it.

An extension is issued by Imm' inside Thailand. If you have a WP based on an extension it can be cancelled and you will be given 7 days to allow you time to leave.

If your extension is based on being married it will not be cancelled.

If it's an extension of an original non B single entry 90 days then it can be cancelled. The original 90 B visa is no longer valid because it will then be an extension of permission to stay. ie NOT a visa.

[Suradit69]

3 hours ago, Bangel72 said:

It might be worth double checking. If the visa was issued on the basis of the work permit there can be a 7 day cancellation of the visa following cancellation of the work. I got caught off guard on this before, made the mistake of going to the BOI office when they cancelled the work permit, unfortunately this was 7 days after I had officially stopped work so they back dated it and cancelled the visa associated with the work the same day.

 

Bit of a mad rush across town to Chang Wattana to resuscitate a secondary visa that was valid but dormant. Same day leave with partner, house and kids here would not have been ideal.

 

The O/P has a visa. You apparently had an extension of stay. Not the same thing. Once again the view that a visa and an extension are the same thing confuses things. 

 

Visas are issued by embassies/consulates and it would be very rare for immigration to cancel one. Extensions are issued by immigrations and they do indeed cancel them when the reason they were first issued ceases.

 

 

[Suradit69]

1 hour ago, coxo said:

Your Non B must be cancelled by you within 7 days of your WP being cancelled, if not you will be on overstay, exactly the same happened to me and it cost me a lot of money, go to immigration and speak to them, you will only get BS on the forum here!!!

 

" ...you will only get BS on the forum here!!!"

 

As you ably demonstrate.

A visa is not an extension of stay. An extension of stay is not a visa. If you don't understand the difference, best not to post BS.

 

[overherebc]

3 hours ago, Bangel72 said:

It might be worth double checking. If the visa was issued on the basis of the work permit there can be a 7 day cancellation of the visa following cancellation of the work. I got caught off guard on this before, made the mistake of going to the BOI office when they cancelled the work permit, unfortunately this was 7 days after I had officially stopped work so they back dated it and cancelled the visa associated with the work the same day.

 

Bit of a mad rush across town to Chang Wattana to resuscitate a secondary visa that was valid but dormant. Same day leave with partner, house and kids here would not have been ideal.

 

Strangely enough  a few years ago I started work with a BOI company and was issued a visa/rubber stamp at the one stop centre in BKK, valid for nearly two years. I left after 3 months when it was obvious there wasn't a work permit going to appear.

A couple of days later I flew out, got a multi O, based on being married and when I got to DMK the IO asked why I had two valid visas?

I had assumed that the BOI visa/stamp had been cancelled but it hadn't.

He just asked which one I wanted to use. I picked the multi O and he stamped me in for 90 days.

[ozterix]

there really is no need to insult people because of terminology. The OP says he has a visa, if he has been in Thailand more than a year, he  has an extension and it looks exactly the same and at immigration when you enter they ask for the original visa number.

If the visa was given based on the request of a WP part of the non B procedure, it is also probably cancelled as soon as the WP is cancelled.

Only a NON O based on spouse or child will remain valid, anything based on obtaining a WP will be void if the WP is cancelled.

 

so, If his WP has been cancelled, his extension is not valid any longer and he can not stay but NOBODY will know at immigration. He can go in and out multiple times until the end of the visa extension or visa and if he does not intend to renew his WP or ask for a new one or extend his visa, he won't have any issue.

If he tries to renew his extension, they will see the cancellation and he will be overstay and he will pay the max 20K baht, which is maybe worth paying if he still has a few months left and is already overstay anyway.
It did happened to me, I was unaware and when I asked for my new WP after 8 months, I paid 20K and had no issue.

If he leaves before the end of the visa extension, he can return later without any issue, he will need a new tourist visa or apply for non B, but in this case he will need to proceed with official cancellation of old visa which does not happen to die even after expiration.

 

[ozterix]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You had an extension of stay issued by immigration not a valid non-b visa issued by an embassy or consulate. A visa and/or an entry from it remains valid when you stop working.

I doubt this, if the non B is requested with documentation to obtain a WP, the Non B is attached to the WP and is cancelled as the work permit is cancelled. You even don't get 7 days (unless it is a BOI) but you get one day, you can however request an extension up to 7 days but you must request it.

[overherebc]

1 minute ago, ozterix said:

there really is no need to insult people because of terminology. The OP says he has a visa, if he has been in Thailand more than a year, he  has an extension and it looks exactly the same and at immigration when you enter they ask for the original visa number.

If the visa was given based on the request of a WP part of the non B procedure, it is also probably cancelled as soon as the WP is cancelled.

Only a NON O based on spouse or child will remain valid, anything based on obtaining a WP will be void if the WP is cancelled.

 

so, If his WP has been cancelled, his extension is not valid any longer and he can not stay but NOBODY will know at immigration. He can go in and out multiple times until the end of the visa extension or visa and if he does not intend to renew his WP or ask for a new one or extend his visa, he won't have any issue.

If he tries to renew his extension, they will see the cancellation and he will be overstay and he will pay the max 20K baht, which is maybe worth paying if he still has a few months left and is already overstay anyway.
It did happened to me, I was unaware and when I asked for my new WP after 8 months, I paid 20K and had no issue.

If he leaves before the end of the visa extension, he can return later without any issue, he will need a new tourist visa or apply for non B, but in this case he will need to proceed with official cancellation of old visa which does not happen to die even after expiration.

 

 

Before yes but check the penalties re' overstay now in force.

[ozterix]

1 minute ago, overherebc said:

 

Before yes but check the penalties re' overstay now in force.

You have a very valid point, penalties these days seem to be very harsh. So there is a real need to know if he is on a Visa for another reason than obtaining a WP, in which case he should maybe leave quietly, immigration at the airport will never know it is valid or not, only immigration office would know

 

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, ozterix said:

You have a very valid point, penalties these days seem to be very harsh. So there is a real need to know if he is on a Visa for another reason than obtaining a WP, in which case he should maybe leave quietly, immigration at the airport will never know it is valid or not, only immigration office would know

 

 

With humour believe me, gone are the days when expats came here worked for 6 months to a year and never had WP's, in all honesty I can't remember how long you were stamped in for or even if such a thing existed ( early 90's ).

Now it's essential to make sure you know exactly what the details are re' visas/WP's/extensions etc.

In a day on TV if you need you will get more good information than you will get from 6 months listening to a bar stool warrior/lawyer who has been here 3 months and posted twice.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, ozterix said:

I doubt this, if the non B is requested with documentation to obtain a WP, the Non B is attached to the WP and is cancelled as the work permit is cancelled. You even don't get 7 days (unless it is a BOI) but you get one day, you can however request an extension up to 7 days but you must request it.

 

Not quite right, if you have a single entry non B it will remain valid for 90 days even if you walk out after a week. Maybe unethical on your part but that's the way it is.

Your company will tell you they must cancel your 'VISA' but they are either trying to intimidate you or they are ignorant of the difference between a 'VISA and an 'EXTENSION'.

I had to grab my passport off a desk once just before a girl in the company office stamped 'cancelled' on my multi 0 'VISA' , based on being married, with a company stamp. I had just put it on the desk while I was signing off on the job.

 

[Autonuaq]

Well all depend in the officer and immigration office.

 

Two types of non-b

If you non-b is issued with your work permit then it is canceled the moment your work permit its canceled. And you can apply for a 7 day extension.

At your visa page of the non-b is written the company name in thai and in most cases also stamped on the last page of you passport too.

 

If you visa non-b was not issued with you work permit then it is valid till the last date for renewal.

There is no written entree of the company in Thai. On the non-b visa page.w

There still can be a stamp of the company your have work permit for on the kast page of your passport. Also not a problem.

 

Before all start to write it is not true.

I have had both visa type non-b as well the non-o in combination with work permit.

Advise to have non-o take care of thai national or the non-o thake care of thia child or the non-o marriage with thau national.

Majes you position stronger and not depending on your employer.

 

Immigration is digitally integrated. Ans more and more exchanging.

The information collected at the airport is the same day at the immigration office, including your arrival picture, so why not the other way around?