Land Measurement: What is a Hong

[Bulldozer Dawn]

I have noticed here in rural areas of Phang Nga province that blocks of land are often divided into parcels that the locals refer to as "hongs".  Each hong is marked with the concrete fence posts either side of the boundary fronting a road.  The term is used whether the land in question is sor bor kor or full chanote.  I had a look at some land before that was 2 hongs.  It appeared about 400 or 500 square meters in size.  But because it was sor bor kor I was not interested in buying.  The land is always priced per hong.

 

I have this evening been shown some nice land that was previously a rubber farm but has been cut into hongs for sale by the owner.  The land has full chanote but I have not yet had access to a deed to check the actual dimensions of the land. 

 

Has anyone else come across this "hong" term and if so can you shed any light on what size it is and whether it also fits in the talang wah, ngan and rai scheme of things?

 

The land is priced at 300K per hong and is about 5 minutes ride from a beautiful beach, and given it is purported to have full chanote, warrants further investigation.

 

Black Cab, you are very good at this stuff, any idea?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Edited December 22, 2016 by Bulldozer Dawn

[thedemon]

1 hong equals 25 tarang wah. There are 4 hong per ngan and 4 ngan per rai.

 

So a 2 hong plot is equivalent to 200 square metres.

[jeab1980]

1 sq. wah = 4 sq. m. 1 acre = 2.471 rai or 43,560 sq. ft.

1 ngan = 100 wah (or 400 sq. m.) 1 hectare = 6.25 rai or 10,000 sq. m.

1 Rai = 4 Ngan (or 1600 sq. m.)

 

SQ. WAH SQ. FT. SQ. M. NGAN RAI ACRE(S) HECTARE(S)

1 43 4    

100 4,305 400 1 0.25 0.10 0.04

400 17,222 1,600 4 1 0.40 0.16

800 34,444 3,200 8 2 0.80 0.32

1,200 51,667 4,800 12 3 1.20 0.48

1,600 68,888 6,400 16 4 1.60 0.64

2,000 86,111 8,000 20 5 2.00 0.80

2,400 103,333 9,600 24 6 2.40 0.96

2,800 120,555 11,200 28 7 2.80 1.12

3,200 137,777 12,800 32 8 3.20 1.28

3,600 155,000 14,400 36 9 3.60 1.44

4,000 172,222 16,000 40 10 4.00 1.60

32,000 80 20 8.00 3.20

48,000 120 30 12.00 4.80

64,000 160 40 16.00 6.40

80,000 200 50 20.00 8.00

96,000 240 60 24.00 9.60

112,000 280 70 28.00 11.20

128,000 320 80 32.00 12.80

144,000 360 90 36.00 14.40

160,000 400 100 40.00 16.00

 

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Just now, thedemon said:

1 hong equals 25 tarang wah. There are 4 hong per ngan and 4 ngan per rai.

 

So a 2 hong plot is equivalent to 200 square metres.

 

Hey, thanks very much for your reply. 

 

The hongs I have walked over (both the sor bor kor and chanote) appeared a good deal larger than 100 square meters.  Any chance you could provide a link to where you sourced this information.

[KhunBENQ]

17 minutes ago, Bulldozer Dawn said:

Any chance you could provide a link to where you sourced this information.

 

I saw in a Thai forum (pantip).

1 hong = 25 tarang wah

1 hong = 5 m by 20 m

Link to that is not desired in this part of forum.

 

 

 

[thedemon]

24 minutes ago, Bulldozer Dawn said:

 

Hey, thanks very much for your reply. 

 

The hongs I have walked over (both the sor bor kor and chanote) appeared a good deal larger than 100 square meters.  Any chance you could provide a link to where you sourced this information.

 

Just from memory so no link sorry.

 

I have heard the term used several times in Had Yai/Songkhla only when describing inner-city plots because 25 sqw is about the minimum size to build a small house.

 

Come to think of it, I don't recall ever hearing it in BKK so perhaps it is a Southern term. Not sure though.

[Bulldozer Dawn]

Just now, thedemon said:

 

Just from memory so no link sorry.

 

I have heard the term used several times in Had Yai/Songkhla only when describing inner-city plots because 25 sqw is about the minimum size to build a small house.

 

Come to think of it, I don't recall ever hearing it in BKK so perhaps it is a Southern term. Not sure though.

 

 

Yes, I only bumped into it here in the south, but my girl is from up north and she knew/recognised the term...but of course she did not know how many meters.

 

So we have 2 votes for 100 square metres.  I am sure that the land I viewed was larger than this.  I will have to check the chanote.

 

Interestingly, there was a full rai with chanote in the same area on offer for sale earlier this year for 950K.  I was slow off the mark and someone else bought it.  But it would seem that it was a screaming bargain if a hong is in fact 100 sqm.

 

[ballbreaker]

http://www.krabithailandproperty.com/legal/legal-land.html

[baansgr]

Its a Southern thing 25 Wah 100 sqm.

[AlQaholic]

The Chanote should have the exact dimensions, there is a land layout on the Chanote.

[shaggy851]

Hong nai? 55?

[Diena]

20 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

1 sq. wah = 4 sq. m. 1 acre = 2.471 rai or 43,560 sq. ft.

1 ngan = 100 wah (or 400 sq. m.) 1 hectare = 6.25 rai or 10,000 sq. m.

1 Rai = 4 Ngan (or 1600 sq. m.)

 

SQ. WAH SQ. FT. SQ. M. NGAN RAI ACRE(S) HECTARE(S)

1 43 4    

100 4,305 400 1 0.25 0.10 0.04

400 17,222 1,600 4 1 0.40 0.16

800 34,444 3,200 8 2 0.80 0.32

1,200 51,667 4,800 12 3 1.20 0.48

1,600 68,888 6,400 16 4 1.60 0.64

2,000 86,111 8,000 20 5 2.00 0.80

2,400 103,333 9,600 24 6 2.40 0.96

2,800 120,555 11,200 28 7 2.80 1.12

3,200 137,777 12,800 32 8 3.20 1.28

3,600 155,000 14,400 36 9 3.60 1.44

4,000 172,222 16,000 40 10 4.00 1.60

32,000 80 20 8.00 3.20

48,000 120 30 12.00 4.80

64,000 160 40 16.00 6.40

80,000 200 50 20.00 8.00

96,000 240 60 24.00 9.60

112,000 280 70 28.00 11.20

128,000 320 80 32.00 12.80

144,000 360 90 36.00 14.40

160,000 400 100 40.00 16.00

 

So where is the Hong ? That is what the op wanted to know.

[ableguy]

South side of Kong.

[jeab1980]

21 minutes ago, Diena said:

So where is the Hong ? That is what the op wanted to know.

In china  Now .I have never heard of that

[BlindMagician]

A room.

[taninthai]

300,000 per Hong is quite expensive I paid 800,000 for 3 1/2 Hong in Krabi which turned out to 4 Hong really and I thought that was a little expensive,,,,a lot of Thais get the measurements wrong..

16 Hong=1 rai

Edited December 24, 2016 by taninthai

[Diena]

On 12/23/2016 at 6:27 PM, jeab1980 said:

In china  Now .I have never heard of that

5555

[Bulldozer Dawn]

15 hours ago, taninthai said:

300,000 per Hong is quite expensive I paid 800,000 for 3 1/2 Hong in Krabi which turned out to 4 Hong really and I thought that was a little expensive,,,,a lot of Thais get the measurements wrong..

16 Hong=1 rai

 

Yes.  I agree 300,000 for 100 square meters is too expensive.  But the land i viewed was definitly bigger than that. 

Thanks for comments so far.

 

I hoped to resolve the meaning of Hong prior to requesting to view the chanote, because once you move to that next phase the Thais get overly excited that there is already a farang on the hook.  And if you then don't proceed to purchase they can throw the toys out of their pram.