kannot Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 am doing the concrete beam for my gate its 10 inches deep 12 inches wide, just wondering how do they get the steel runner in? I saw some bolt down onto the concrete when finished but others seems buried in the concrete with just the steel curved part showing for the rollers to run on. Just wondering if the bolt in one would be better incase it ever gets damaged as then at least i could un bolt and attach a new one. Photo of the bolt down type..assuming this type is available here? and hopefully in LONGER sections ie 3-4 metres would be good as gates are 4.8 metres? If its the buried type I assume the concrete is finished to about 2 inches below the top of the rail the rail then placed in and levelled and then the 2 inches filled with more concrete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The ones I have seen being done, and mine for that matter is a regular circular section mild steel tube that is concreted in. I would think that the tube has a few drill fixing lugs attached at90 degrees to level it up; then a second application of concrete/strong mortar applied ranping up slightly and covering half the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 23 minutes ago, eyecatcher said: The ones I have seen being done, and mine for that matter is a regular circular section mild steel tube that is concreted in. I would think that the tube has a few drill fixing lugs attached at90 degrees to level it up; then a second application of concrete/strong mortar applied ranping up slightly and covering half the tube. Thanks next question is how far from the post bases is the rail set out? cant be much thicker than the gate I guess......or maybe it would be better if i get the concrete done to two inches below grade then leave the last 2 inches to the gate man, this type i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 1 hour ago, kannot said: Thanks next question is how far from the post bases is the rail set out? cant be much thicker than the gate I guess......or maybe it would be better if i get the concrete done to two inches below grade then leave the last 2 inches to the gate man, this type i guess The logical thing to do is to design it in conjunction with the bogey wheels. You could do with looking at the options available and then you know where to set the bottom rail of thr gate. Subject to the bogey diameter aim for about 50/60mm above your steel track. It doesnt matter if its a bit high as you can clad the gate after to the exact height you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Sorry i answered the wrong question. The distance from the post needs to be enough for the gate thickness. If its too much you will have to somehow infill the gap to stop dogs getting in or out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 5 hours ago, eyecatcher said: Sorry i answered the wrong question. The distance from the post needs to be enough for the gate thickness. If its too much you will have to somehow infill the gap to stop dogs getting in or out. Just trying to read up about "how far out" its saying 25mm+ half the gate thickness, so if gate is 40mm thick you set out 25mm + half of 40 ie 20mm total 45mm, gate will look like this .....hopefully, I ll have to get some measurements done, then distance in for wheels which looks like about 1 metre from the ends, thanks for your input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 7, 2017 Author Share Posted January 7, 2017 http://www.automaticsolutions.com.au/page/diy_tracks.php Found this site with various methods, I think the bolt down would be best although it doesnt look as good as the embedded but can easily be replaced without having to try and dig out a damaged rail, BUT is bolt down available here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 ok in case anyone else else needs this info here is a supplier of the rails http://www.pratooautanomati.com/id3.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I see the logic in the distnace, in other words they are saying an inchis good enough (not many people would accept that!) I have another consideration for you, and you first photo reminded me. Is that blue pipe your idea to have a water feature on the gate or is that you r electric conduit for motorised gates?? If its neither then also to consider will be the fixing of a steel gate stabiliser; the rollers at the top of the gate, holding the whole thing vertical. Mine is a simple inverted "j" made from 50x50 box section and its bolted to the inner face of my posts (they are timber trees tho) As a result; I have the problem i mentioned about dogs getting in and this assembly takes the gate further away from the posts. then again i wouldnt be surprised if bodgit and scarper did my job in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 1 minute ago, eyecatcher said: I see the logic in the distnace, in other words they are saying an inchis good enough (not many people would accept that!) I have another consideration for you, and you first photo reminded me. Is that blue pipe your idea to have a water feature on the gate or is that you r electric conduit for motorised gates?? If its neither then also to consider will be the fixing of a steel gate stabiliser; the rollers at the top of the gate, holding the whole thing vertical. Mine is a simple inverted "j" made from 50x50 box section and its bolted to the inner face of my posts (they are timber trees tho) As a result; I have the problem i mentioned about dogs getting in and this assembly takes the gate further away from the posts. then again i wouldnt be surprised if bodgit and scarper did my job in the past. The Blue pipe is actually some 3 inch pipe simply their to protect the 1 inch water pipe inside ( extra protection) it also doubles as a conduit for anything I might ever need to drag under the concrete later. I will also put in some 1inch hdpe trunking to run any photo cell cables form one side to the other. The brackets I will get will be either fastened to the top of the post an "L" shape holding the rollers or I might get a LONGER version of that and invert it so it wont affect how close to the post the gate is. Looks like 2 inches away from the posts is pretty much normal here for the rail spacing and i doubt any dogs will get thru that, Im going to get the bolt down its in 3 metre lengths or get one made in stainless at 4.5 metresX 2 as its only a 16mm diameter rail on a flat 3mm thick 50mm wide rail......this might look better as well The diagram shows how with the brackets , the left one shows the CONCRETE POST in black with a second post into the ground etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJBangkok Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 From. Previous posts your perimeter wall is almost a work of art. Can you post a pic of your gate when it's done? My contractor is trying to shaft me with a perimeter wall cost of 5,200 per linier meter to reinstall around 80 meters of wall that was knocked down to facilitate construction. When I showed him the 2016 TAF construction cost of 2400 baht for Bangkok he told me Hua Hin was more expensive .At that price i''m better knocking the entire wall down and getting one like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyecatcher Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 2 hours ago, AJBangkok said: From. Previous posts your perimeter wall is almost a work of art. Can you post a pic of your gate when it's done? My contractor is trying to shaft me with a perimeter wall cost of 5,200 per linier meter to reinstall around 80 meters of wall that was knocked down to facilitate construction. When I showed him the 2016 TAF construction cost of 2400 baht for Bangkok he told me Hua Hin was more expensive .At that price i''m better knocking the entire wall down and getting one like yours. I just built a perimeter wall 1.6m high and 14m long, in qcons, concrete posts and i rendered it...5400bt!! if I charged myself out at 1000bt a day the cost ended up exactly 1000bt/m run. I never did it before, so I was pretty slow. these Thais charging upwards of 1500/lin m for a 1.8 wall are greedy wasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 6 hours ago, AJBangkok said: From. Previous posts your perimeter wall is almost a work of art. Can you post a pic of your gate when it's done? My contractor is trying to shaft me with a perimeter wall cost of 5,200 per linier meter to reinstall around 80 meters of wall that was knocked down to facilitate construction. When I showed him the 2016 TAF construction cost of 2400 baht for Bangkok he told me Hua Hin was more expensive .At that price i''m better knocking the entire wall down and getting one like yours. I spent years looking for an even half decent contractor for almost anything here, they are like hens teeth and when they do turn up many of the "sludge" all work the same way, use your land as if they own it, throw rubbish anywhere they like, pee on the land, help themselves to any tools without asking by going into my stock room etc etc. It soon became quite clear they were ALL the same locally and I gave up even when they could be trained to not leave rubbish "on the land" you could go into the road and find it all up there instead.....pointless I ended up doing everything myself unless it was a mammoth task like the wall, even here I had many MANY problems......99% is sheer laziness on their behalf, nothing less no excuses etc or BS and the wall was about 650k as we have 15 rai walled along 3 sides When an ole bloke of 53 can outperform a 20 year old at every turn its kind of sad, from duration of work to skillset. 18 of those POSTS in my wall are out of true by 4 inches over their 2 metre length, over half the segments had to be replaced during construction as the "boss" in his "wisdom" decided to save money they would collect them themselves. In the process of the "normal" not being careful they broke half of them either by chipping or a clean break all the way thru, they then had the stupidity to " install" them before i made them remove ALL of them The walls good and simple and fast when done by someone with just 1 brain cell and no laziness.................therein lies the problem in Thailand for the "majority" Now everything is done by me and I mean "everything".....Im actually dreading the gate supplier making it as you always get the feeling " what are they going to ferk up next" When workers used to come here " many years ago" the other problem was them coming up to the house and touching the walls, great my freshly painted " by me" house (5-6 coats paint) now was covered in dirty BLACK hand prints even when their job was working over the other side of the land and its 15 rai. My latest project is the small house for pumping water out of the lake around the land and the gate footing though ive now been rained off for 2 days Stupidly on my behalf years ago i thought Id retire get some locals to do all the work and have an easy life................?????????? Some pics of here and various jobs done fairly recently...............by me. First is the "new" wellhouse (potable 4-600lit/hour) and system then the lake pump house system and surrounding concrete mixed by hand, anything im not 100% sure of I can ask here for various "opinions" I then work out what " I" need and base a decision on that, finally footing for gate..ongoing like waterhouse Im NOT a builder but learn pretty quick + the internet is brimming with " how to videos and websites" and to be honest the methods used here in construction are probably the simplest in the world especially plumbing no soldering copper joints just clean pipe with sand paper clean off dust with thinner, glue push and hold................. how many Thai pipes do you see leaking? seems commonplace here from what ive read , most other houses seem to get a leak as someone either forgot the glue or just crap work practice as usual. Pretty sure ANY decent worker is in BAngkok or overseas, whats left is the sludge at the bottom of the tank.......Hua Hin area So far after 4 years of doing it myself with GREAT satisfaction ive learnt a lot and am proud of that...something the locals never appear to get " sense of achievement" and "pride in their work" so from block laying/electrics/plumbing/ concrete laying, roofing , cement mixing, irrigation wells etc Ive learnt many things Thank fully the one thing I do have is "time on my hands" to get this stuff done....probably the biggest job here is landscaping and irrigation again done by me with 1 inch water pipe 13.5 rated for durability buried at least 8 inches many tress grown form seed, you wont find them elsewhere in Thailand in this shot is Tahina Spectabilis at the front ( three) and Medemia Argun ( middle rear) one a new discovery the other a rare tree re discovered........ Nong Nooch Pattaya has both. Reason I moved here? Wifes job ( well paid and I mean WELL) and ability to grow what I like ( hobby) doesnt mean I have to love Thai people/culture as many seem to think you can only live here if you "embrace" all that. Its still VERY cheap here, I often laugh when having 20 ton of stone delivered for the cost of less than ONE in the UK Ive given many locals an opportunity to work here ie on trial, all have failed and when I say opportunity I mean i gave them the benefit of the doubt many times overlooked many things but eventually "gave up" If you have the time my advice...do EVERYTHING yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 3 hours ago, eyecatcher said: I just built a perimeter wall 1.6m high and 14m long, in qcons, concrete posts and i rendered it...5400bt!! if I charged myself out at 1000bt a day the cost ended up exactly 1000bt/m run. I never did it before, so I was pretty slow. these Thais charging upwards of 1500/lin m for a 1.8 wall are greedy wasters. By the way if you are in Hua Hin and know the Thai watsadu heading out to Cha am .......DONT call the company who advertise this type of wall outside their entrance with a " display section" as this is the same bunch of lazy idiots who did mine, they actually come from about 8 miles out of Pranburi area. The panels can be bought many places direct from the manufacturers......Wife has their phone number somewhere.all youd need then is 3-4 blokes to get them in as they are HEAVY and lifting in the top piece is hard work......I know as some "iiiiiiidjut" delivering a makro reversed into the wall breaking a section on the entrance and I had to replace it myself despite them being told " be careful" and at 4.8 metres wide youd think they could manage a small pc 60 makro (2metres width) on trailer in thru that...............the easy way was to load each higher section into the wall was put it onto the flat bed of my pick up and then lift it off the pick up into the top slot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sup Slick Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 If you are talking about how the Thais attach the 'track' for your gate to roll on, then all you need is a piece of angle iron and a piece of 1/2" cold roll welded on the apex of the angle iron. Weld Rebar to the Angle iron track you made with the cold roll, and weld that assembly to the existing rebar 'cage' you have in the ground for your 'gate beam'. Weld your 'track' assembly at the elevation you want, then pour concrete at one time. Fill it up. Done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just now, Sup Slick said: If you are talking about how the Thais attach the 'track' for your gate to roll on, then all you need is a piece of angle iron and a piece of 1/2" cold roll welded on the apex of the angle iron. Weld Rebar to the Angle iron track you made with the cold roll, and weld that assembly to the existing rebar 'cage' you have in the ground for your 'gate beam'. Weld your 'track' assembly at the elevation you want, then pour concrete at one time. Fill it up. Yes thanks Ive seen that done but for me the problem will be any damage that may ( and often) can occur later, Im going with the less attractive but easily removable rail type thats bolt/screw in so "if" there is any future damage "I" can easily remove it without hacking thru the concrete.......it doesnt look as good but " for me" is more functional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 41 minutes ago, kannot said: By the way if you are in Hua Hin and know the Thai watsadu heading out to Cha am .......DONT call the company who advertise this type of wall outside their entrance with a " display section" as this is the same bunch of lazy idiots who did mine, they actually come from about 8 miles out of Pranburi area. The panels can be bought many places direct from the manufacturers......Wife has their phone number somewhere.all youd need then is 3-4 blokes to get them in as they are HEAVY and lifting in the top piece is hard work......I know as some "iiiiiiidjut" delivering a makro reversed into the wall breaking a section on the entrance and I had to replace it myself despite them being told " be careful" and at 4.8 metres wide youd think they could manage a small pc 60 makro (2metres width) on trailer in thru that...............the easy way was to load each higher section into the wall was put it onto the flat bed of my pick up and then lift it off the pick up into the top slot Found some old photos of their work............acceptable in their eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sup Slick Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 35 minutes ago, kannot said: it doesnt look as good but " for me" is more functional Gotcha, but a bolted track is kind of a pain in the ass right? I dunno but 10 years here and I don't think I've seen the track fail, just the rollers. Even at home in Murica I don't think Ive seen bolted tracks. Just cast the tracks in solid cement, anchoring it to the rebar below, without multi layering it, and you can drive an 18-sheeler over it for a lifetime. Honestly its a battle tank. Worst case you have to cut the cold roll off the angle iron and weld in a new piece, but even then, its so unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sup Slick said: Gotcha, but a bolted track is kind of a pain in the ass right? I dunno but 10 years here and I don't think I've seen the track fail, just the rollers. Even at home in Murica I don't think Ive seen bolted tracks. Just cast the tracks in solid cement, anchoring it to the rebar below, without multi layering it, and you can drive an 18-sheeler over it for a lifetime. Honestly its a battle tank. Worst case you have to cut the cold roll off the angle iron and weld in a new piece, but even then, its so unlikely. for me the bolted rail is ok, drilling into the concrete is not a problem and i understand that concreted in should be really durable + if i get the local stainless guy to make it i can increase the screw holes to every 25cm, am still mulling it over and have to think of every possibility for damage here due to carelessness...................if its going to get broken here...it will I was at a supplier yesterday and noticed his concreted in rail was like a zig zag. really bad...was trying to imagine how the hell it got twisted like that "after" it had been in a long time, not saying its normal but i was surprised to see it, I should have taken a photo, it was really bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sup Slick Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, kannot said: I was at a supplier yesterday and noticed his concreted in rail was like a zig zag. really bad...was trying to imagine how the hell it got twisted like that "after" it had been in a long time, not saying its normal but i was surprised to see it, I should have taken a photo, it was really bad I know what you mean. Ive seen it before but its all because of shit cement and planning. We use the same technique I've been talking about offshore to secure bollards into cement, and those things hold TONS of weight - side load. Your beam is exposed now, if it was me, I would get a nice thick angle and weld a good mild steel (regular metal/not stainless/mild steel ferrous) cold roll on top, right on the apex. Its a perfect, replaceable track for your rollers. Weld rebar to the underside of the track and thoughtfully weld that to your beam in a way, logically, that it is at your desired elevation, and is completely secured & reinforced, after pouring 1 cement pour, from downward force from cars/trucks. Personally, going full bulletproof mode, this is what I would do even if bolted tracks are available. Plus the concrete anchors that you wanna use are completely exposed on top and will wear over time. Will be just about impossible to remove/replace after a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grollies Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 On 08/01/2017 at 8:09 PM, AJBangkok said: From. Previous posts your perimeter wall is almost a work of art. Can you post a pic of your gate when it's done? My contractor is trying to shaft me with a perimeter wall cost of 5,200 per linier meter to reinstall around 80 meters of wall that was knocked down to facilitate construction. When I showed him the 2016 TAF construction cost of 2400 baht for Bangkok he told me Hua Hin was more expensive .At that price i''m better knocking the entire wall down and getting one like yours. Get another contractor. For 2000THB per linear metre you should be able to get a nice bespoke wall built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grollies Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 On 09/01/2017 at 1:56 AM, kannot said: I spent years looking for an even half decent contractor for almost anything here, they are like hens teeth and when they do turn up many of the "sludge" all work the same way, use your land as if they own it, throw rubbish anywhere they like, pee on the land, help themselves to any tools without asking by going into my stock room etc etc. It soon became quite clear they were ALL the same locally and I gave up even when they could be trained to not leave rubbish "on the land" you could go into the road and find it all up there instead.....pointless I ended up doing everything myself unless it was a mammoth task like the wall, even here I had many MANY problems......99% is sheer laziness on their behalf, nothing less no excuses etc or BS and the wall was about 650k as we have 15 rai walled along 3 sides When an ole bloke of 53 can outperform a 20 year old at every turn its kind of sad, from duration of work to skillset. 18 of those POSTS in my wall are out of true by 4 inches over their 2 metre length, over half the segments had to be replaced during construction as the "boss" in his "wisdom" decided to save money they would collect them themselves. Difficult to know where to start with a post like this. By example my builders learned to tidy up. When I started doing it they stopped me and did it themselves. When they forgot I started again. They soon cleared up daily. Out of basic decency we opened up the old gardeners house for them to use the toilet. If we didnt have that I'd let them use our loo. You should have learned by now that you need to closely supervise your builders. If the posts are out of true that is their fault and yours. First post out of true tell them and show them how to use a spirit level. After that they usually get it that you will check each post and they take a bit more care. Quote In the process of the "normal" not being careful they broke half of them either by chipping or a clean break all the way thru, they then had the stupidity to " install" them before i made them remove ALL of them Only a true <deleted> would let a builder complete a wall like that, knowing the panels were damaged and then make him replace them all after installation. Quote The walls good and simple and fast when done by someone with just 1 brain cell and no laziness.................therein lies the problem in Thailand for the "majority" Now everything is done by me and I mean "everything".....Im actually dreading the gate supplier making it as you always get the feeling " what are they going to ferk up next" When workers used to come here " many years ago" the other problem was them coming up to the house and touching the walls, great my freshly painted " by me" house (5-6 coats paint) now was covered in dirty BLACK hand prints even when their job was working over the other side of the land and its 15 rai. They were probably in awe of such a great build and paint job and wanted to touch it for luck. Quote My latest project is the small house for pumping water out of the lake around the land and the gate footing though ive now been rained off for 2 days Stupidly on my behalf years ago i thought Id retire get some locals to do all the work and have an easy life................?????????? Pretty sure ANY decent worker is in BAngkok or overseas, whats left is the sludge at the bottom of the tank...... The above is a disgraceful description of Thai workers. I've had builders here and, granted, they don't work to European standards. But I've always found them eager to learn, especially if you work with them. They do things their way and they usually work out - and I've learned how to render. I've a young couple here painting the house. After a bit of guidance they're doing a great job and they're grateful for the work. He is just out of prison for drugs but has settled down and woking on the next door neighbours farm or with us.They met on my pool build early last year and got engaged at the end of the job. We were invited to the do. Every day they bring us some vegetables or fruit and we return the compliment with eggs or a fish from the pond. When we first got here I thought I'd revamp a small chicken hut. That afternoon a small army of neighbours turned up mixing concrete, laying block. I was a bit peeved at first as I wanted to DIY in my own time but I learned very quickly to grow up and accept the help. With my wife cooking in the evenings and me opening the beers we had a great time. Yes, my blockwork is a bit better than theirs but, hey, it's just a chicken shed. We are partnered with a local couple tapping our rubber 50-50. When a friend is stuck for cash she comes here to work around the house. She always brings here grandson who calls us Khun Boo and Khun Yar and eats all our dried squid. Our neighbours over the road keep their fighting cocks on the front of our land, no problem and interesting to watch the training. The same neighbours come for eggplant, fish, eels, coconuts - no problem and they always ask. 'Sludge' mate? These are the same people we can rely on to teach us how to deal with snakes, wasps, get the honey from a bees nest, lift and shift stuff if we need a hand. My stepson and two friends came over last week when we went away. Two days later we got back and the place is great, strimmed, cleared, veg plot prepped. They stayed an extra three days. His two mates don't have regular jobs but worked their nuts off despite getting hit by wasps twice. Again, one lad out of prison but boy can he cook. He just quit his job looking after 40 girls in a Pattaya nightclub. Thinking of starting a restaurant with him. 'Sludge' mate, no. Quote Reason I moved here? Wifes job ( well paid and I mean WELL) and ability to grow what I like ( hobby) doesnt mean I have to love Thai people/culture as many seem to think you can only live here if you "embrace" all that. Its still VERY cheap here, I often laugh when having 20 ton of stone delivered for the cost of less than ONE in the UK Ive given many locals an opportunity to work here ie on trial, all have failed and when I say opportunity I mean i gave them the benefit of the doubt many times overlooked many things but eventually "gave up" If you have the time my advice...do EVERYTHING yourself "doesnt mean I have to love Thai people/culture"? Reminds me of Muslims in the UK not integrating and all the consequent problems there. You are doing the same over here. I moved here for the way of life, embracing his late Majesty's Sufficiency Economy Philosophy and got to know the locals. Me and Thai friend have teamed-up to develop projects on each others land to become self-sufficient and intend to take this to the local schools. Went to Childrens day yesterday to look at revamping the kids toilet block and putting in a vegetable garden. A couple of years ago a friend who has a shack restaurant had a stroke. We took them a bed as his wife was kipping on a bench and bought a mosquito net. Visited every time we came over. They are good friends not 'sludge'. My social life here is incomparable to the UK. We've been to weddings, Thai and Muslim, funerals, house blessings and most recently to a friend whose son was becoming a Monk. These guys really know how to party. We too have had people come to tap rubber, work round the place and they've let us down. Our tenant we eventually asked to leave as he wouldn't work 4 days a month instead of paying (or not paying in his case) his rent. But that's just life, you try to give people a step up who won't take it.There are the same people the world over, not just in Thailand. You just find someone else. You've got to have faith in people and realise not everyone is perfect. You have to show trust and respect - very important here - that way you get it back. So, on behalf of the 'sludge' you can keep your fortress wall and any future building jobs and stay shuttered in your 15 rai. BTW ,15 rai is a small plot. That area of land is specced by his late Majesty as sufficient to provide a 3 rai pond, 5 rai rice field, 5 rai vegetable and fruit tree plot and 2 rai housing space for a family to provide for themselves over the course of a year. We farm 26 rai so (from a previous topic) I can appreciate the "sheer scale" of 15 rai. Lastly, you may love Jesus but I doubt that it is reciprocated, having such arrogance and contempt for your fellow human beings. 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kannot Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 14 hours ago, grollies said: Difficult to know where to start with a post like this. By example my builders learned to tidy up. When I started doing it they stopped me and did it themselves. When they forgot I started again. They soon cleared up daily. Out of basic decency we opened up the old gardeners house for them to use the toilet. If we didnt have that I'd let them use our loo. You should have learned by now that you need to closely supervise your builders. If the posts are out of true that is their fault and yours. First post out of true tell them and show them how to use a spirit level. After that they usually get it that you will check each post and they take a bit more care. Only a true <deleted> would let a builder complete a wall like that, knowing the panels were damaged and then make him replace them all after installation. They were probably in awe of such a great build and paint job and wanted to touch it for luck. The above is a disgraceful description of Thai workers. I've had builders here and, granted, they don't work to European standards. But I've always found them eager to learn, especially if you work with them. They do things their way and they usually work out - and I've learned how to render. I've a young couple here painting the house. After a bit of guidance they're doing a great job and they're grateful for the work. He is just out of prison for drugs but has settled down and woking on the next door neighbours farm or with us.They met on my pool build early last year and got engaged at the end of the job. We were invited to the do. Every day they bring us some vegetables or fruit and we return the compliment with eggs or a fish from the pond. When we first got here I thought I'd revamp a small chicken hut. That afternoon a small army of neighbours turned up mixing concrete, laying block. I was a bit peeved at first as I wanted to DIY in my own time but I learned very quickly to grow up and accept the help. With my wife cooking in the evenings and me opening the beers we had a great time. Yes, my blockwork is a bit better than theirs but, hey, it's just a chicken shed. We are partnered with a local couple tapping our rubber 50-50. When a friend is stuck for cash she comes here to work around the house. She always brings here grandson who calls us Khun Boo and Khun Yar and eats all our dried squid. Our neighbours over the road keep their fighting cocks on the front of our land, no problem and interesting to watch the training. The same neighbours come for eggplant, fish, eels, coconuts - no problem and they always ask. 'Sludge' mate? These are the same people we can rely on to teach us how to deal with snakes, wasps, get the honey from a bees nest, lift and shift stuff if we need a hand. My stepson and two friends came over last week when we went away. Two days later we got back and the place is great, strimmed, cleared, veg plot prepped. They stayed an extra three days. His two mates don't have regular jobs but worked their nuts off despite getting hit by wasps twice. Again, one lad out of prison but boy can he cook. He just quit his job looking after 40 girls in a Pattaya nightclub. Thinking of starting a restaurant with him. 'Sludge' mate, no. "doesnt mean I have to love Thai people/culture"? Reminds me of Muslims in the UK not integrating and all the consequent problems there. You are doing the same over here. I moved here for the way of life, embracing his late Majesty's Sufficiency Economy Philosophy and got to know the locals. Me and Thai friend have teamed-up to develop projects on each others land to become self-sufficient and intend to take this to the local schools. Went to Childrens day yesterday to look at revamping the kids toilet block and putting in a vegetable garden. A couple of years ago a friend who has a shack restaurant had a stroke. We took them a bed as his wife was kipping on a bench and bought a mosquito net. Visited every time we came over. They are good friends not 'sludge'. My social life here is incomparable to the UK. We've been to weddings, Thai and Muslim, funerals, house blessings and most recently to a friend whose son was becoming a Monk. These guys really know how to party. We too have had people come to tap rubber, work round the place and they've let us down. Our tenant we eventually asked to leave as he wouldn't work 4 days a month instead of paying (or not paying in his case) his rent. But that's just life, you try to give people a step up who won't take it.There are the same people the world over, not just in Thailand. You just find someone else. You've got to have faith in people and realise not everyone is perfect. You have to show trust and respect - very important here - that way you get it back. So, on behalf of the 'sludge' you can keep your fortress wall and any future building jobs and stay shuttered in your 15 rai. BTW ,15 rai is a small plot. That area of land is specced by his late Majesty as sufficient to provide a 3 rai pond, 5 rai rice field, 5 rai vegetable and fruit tree plot and 2 rai housing space for a family to provide for themselves over the course of a year. We farm 26 rai so (from a previous topic) I can appreciate the "sheer scale" of 15 rai. Lastly, you may love Jesus but I doubt that it is reciprocated, having such arrogance and contempt for your fellow human beings. Cheers and best of luck bully for u pal , thats my experience with all thai workers that have come here and im not alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 ok beam is done, now I know "supslick" is going to be distressed but I opted for the bolt down, its stainless in 3 metre lengths and is held down with 2inch stainless screw in bolts which i got in BKK, should be no problem to remove as have hex head and slot if any problem............. doubt its going to move once in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 done, let it harden off a few weeks then carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 finally gate finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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