snoop1130 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Corruption index hits six-year high By The Nation Thailand’s Corruption Situation Index (CSI) last month reached its highest point in six years, while corruption has caused an average loss of 0.8 per cent of gross domestic product since military rule was established, according to the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce’s Centre for Economic and Business Forecasting. Thanawat Polvichai, the centre’s director, said December’s CSI reached 55, the highest in six years, reflecting a moderate level of corruption. The UTCC claims signs of corruption began to ease in the latter half of 2014 after the military seized power in a coup and set up a junta-controlled government. Since then, annual losses attributed to corruption have averaged Bt120 billion or 0.8 per cent of GDP, he said. Full Story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/breakingnews/30304452 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-1-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyClifton Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Calling all Thai apologists to tell us how honorable the people are here. I can't wait to see the excuses roll in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Nice to see there's still plenty of swill in the trough for the snouts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 http://www.transparency.org/cpi2015#results-table This article is a gross misrepresentation of the facts. Not sure if The Nation is purposely misleading or is just unable to do rudimentary analysis of facts. The 76 ranking is for 2015, and most of the data collected was in 2014. From the site FAQ "The sources of information used for the CPI 2015 are based on data gathered in the past 24 months. " This number does not reflect junta reduction in corruption. It actually reflects a reduction under Yingluck... The 2016 ranking will be out next week and that is the important one because it fully reflects a period that the junta was in power. http://www.transparency.org/news/pressrelease/media_advisory_corruption_perceptions_index_to_be_launched_on_25_january_20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) Of course. This administration is probably doing less to fight corruption, than five of the past administrations combined. Despite the protestations to the contrary. When is the last time you heard about a top official, minister, high ranking policeman, or member of the Army brass brought up on charges, and convicted, and sentenced? It just does not happen. How about a CEO of one of the companies that traffic in slaves, or abuse their workers? It just does not happen here. They are all above the law. Way, way above the law. Any and all laws. Moving Thailand backwards. At an alarming pace. Edited January 19, 2017 by spidermike007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presto Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 29 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: Of course. This administration is probably doing less to fight corruption, than five of the past administrations combined. Despite the protestations to the contrary. When is the last time you heard about a top official, minister, high ranking policeman, or member of the Army brass brought up on charges, and convicted, and sentenced? It just does not happen. How about a CEO of one of the companies that traffic in slaves, or abuse their workers? It just does not happen here. They are all above the law. Way, way above the law. Any and all laws. Moving Thailand backwards. At an alarming pace. Can't agree more. Anyone wishing to defend the achievements of the junta on corruption , show some facts please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Obviously, corruption of the truth does not count in these UTCC figures !!! Had Mark Twain been reporting this, he probably would have said something like, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonmoon Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 What??? This is not possible, the junta are the saviours n have introduce reforms to stop corruption n there is the law to execute if corruption exceeds a billion baht? What happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonmoon Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Moonmoon said: What??? This is not possible, the junta are the saviours n have introduce reforms to stop corruption n there is the law to execute if corruption exceeds a billion baht? What happen? Oh wait sorry i forgot generalissimo have stated that corruption will be wiped out in 20years. Still on the roadmap. Gotta have paitence.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Of course. This administration is probably doing less to fight corruption, than five of the past administrations combined. Despite the protestations to the contrary. When is the last time you heard about a top official, minister, high ranking policeman, or member of the Army brass brought up on charges, and convicted, and sentenced? It just does not happen. How about a CEO of one of the companies that traffic in slaves, or abuse their workers? It just does not happen here. They are all above the law. Way, way above the law. Any and all laws. Moving Thailand backwards. At an alarming pace. You regard it (correctly ) as moving Thailand backwards.They regard it as returning things to the way they should be.Never forget who this junta government exists to serve - it is not the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brer Fox Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The corruption claims with the bribery by Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways should blow this statistic out of the water. The bribery factor in Thailand is NOT a diminishing number. The sky is the limit, particularly when it comes within the military, the RTP and civil servants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seligne2 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Very poorly written article. The title, "Corruption Index Hits Six Year High" led me to believe that corruption was on the increase (that comports favourably with my own impression). However, the point of the article is that corruption is on the wane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Graham Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Even a member whose name begins with "r" isn't turning up for this one, or will he she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook23 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Thailand with no corruption collapses instantly. Chaos will put an end to all activity from bottom to top. Corruption is part of all levels of life here. Same in burma. Laos. Cambodia. Etc. Corruption gets things done here. People couldnt be bothered to do things by the books. It's a way of life. Tea money. Bottle of black label. Some smuggled forest meat from Bpama. Brown envelope. Thailand was built on that. On all levels including army. Sorry PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook23 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Moonmoon said: Oh wait sorry i forgot generalissimo have stated that corruption will be wiped out in 20years. Still on the roadmap. Gotta have paitence.. That's 20 *THAI* years which us siliout farlangs think too mutt cannot understand... remember they have 3 new years too!!!! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Presto said: Can't agree more. Anyone wishing to defend the achievements of the junta on corruption , show some facts please. Fact is .......they have the guns and don't mind using them. All in the name of loyalty and patriotism of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDweeb Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, Seligne2 said: Very poorly written article. The title, "Corruption Index Hits Six Year High" led me to believe that corruption was on the increase (that comports favourably with my own impression). However, the point of the article is that corruption is on the wane. Bruce64 suggests we have but a week to wait for some current figures - I am sure they will light a fire under both sides if the debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Presto said: Can't agree more. Anyone wishing to defend the achievements of the junta on corruption , show some facts please. Not defending the junta in anyway. But if you actually bother to read the article. "The UTCC claims signs of corruption began to ease in the latter half of 2014 after the military seized power in a coup and set up a junta-controlled government. Since then, annual losses attributed to corruption have averaged Bt120 billion or 0.8 per cent of GDP, he said. Earlier, annual losses due to graft were about Bt300 billion to Bt400 billion, or 2.5 per cent of GDP, the centre claims. " Its actually lower based on the content, the title is misleading. Their "corruption index hits six-year high" meaning the lower the number, the less corrupt. The nation has always wrote favorably of the junta, no reason for them to be on their bad side too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djayz Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'm not surprised in the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optad Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Brer Fox said: The corruption claims with the bribery by Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways should blow this statistic out of the water. The bribery factor in Thailand is NOT a diminishing number. The sky is the limit, particularly when it comes within the military, the RTP and civil servants. Problem there is that everyone in asia was in on it. Zero statistical change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
optad Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 hours ago, brucec64 said: The 2016 ranking will be out next week and that is the important one because it fully reflects a period that the junta was in power. Look forward to your analysis next week Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Corruption is in their DNA and it will take much longer time than the generals wishful thinking of 20 years to remove from Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintLouisBlues Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said: Corruption is in their DNA and it will take much longer time than the generals wishful thinking of 20 years to remove from Thailand. Aren't the generals part of the problem? Or it's not corruption if carried out by or to the benefit of a military officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 perhaps all you geniuses would to share the details of how they work out this corruption figure considering "corruption" is something that is well hidden unless someone is caught in the act, now if this figure represents corruption that has been exposed then who is responsible for exposing it and surely the higher the better, put it this way, if they announced tomorrow that there was no corruption in Thailand would you believe them lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Thailand’s corruption situation sees best improvement in 6 years BANGKOK, 20th January 2017 (NNT) – Thailand enjoyed its best outcome in six years in 2016 when the country’s corruption ranking made a significant improvement. Director of the Center for Economic and Business Forecasting at the University of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, Thanavath Phonvichai said on Thursday that the latest survey of civil servants, business people and members of the public, undertaken in December found the country’s corruption index at 55, compared with 53 in June. Mr. Thanavath said that the change is the best in six years for Thailand. He added that the survey found the financial damage borne by the government as a result of corruption stood at between 60 billion baht and 120 billion baht and this amount has affected Thailand’ economic growth rate by 0.42 % to 1.27%. Mr. Thanavath went on to say that respondents called for more stringent punishments for those found guilty of corruption and for more government support for networks, business groups and individuals in their fight against corruption. -- nnt 2017-01-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Thailand makes improvement in fighting corruption with scores rising to 55 BANGKOK: -- Although public sector corruption is still rife with an estimated 120 billion baht in bribes being paid last year, but Thailand has shown a satisfactory improvement with a significant increase in scores in six years. Thanawat Polwichai, director-general of the Business and Economic Forecasting Centre (BEFC) of the Thai Chamber of Commerce, said Thailand scored 55 points in corruption index measured in December 2016. The increase in scores from 53 points measured in June of the same year was the best improvement in six years, he said. He said corruption survey revealed that the most common type of corruption is kickback. The survey indicated increasing trend of briberies as more government’s mega infrastructure projects would be officially launched this year. Mr Thanawat then suggested that the government immediately acts to prevent corruption by implementing stricter laws and regulations. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-makes-improvement-fighting-corruption-scores-rising-55/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-01-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 So are we supposed to applaud that Thailand is marginals less corrupt than before? The problem has not gone away, just reduced a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakancnx Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 A new positive thing now here in Chiang Mai. At police checkpoints, a desk where one pay the tickets.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaleboneman Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 My guess would be that corrupt people aren't fully reporting all their booty so as not to have to share as much. It's terrible when crooks are dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Money talks and bull-shit walks, no change and this is as the Pm has promoted THAINESS rules OK Ya !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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