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“European Disunion” – experts discuss the future of the EU in Davos

 

 

DAVOS: -- The rise of populism could threaten the future of the European Union. That was one opinion which emerged during discussions on the second day at the World Economic Forum in Davos on how the European project is faring.

 

Economic Commissioner Pierre Moscovici put the impact of the UK leaving the bloc into context.

 

“Brexit, respectable but regrettable. It’s a wake-up call for us. We need to co-operate more because union is the best way to co-operate for our member states. Second, of course Europe will be there, and I can tell Joe Stiglitz, that hopefully, Euro will also be there. But we need to do what’s necessary for it to be capable of creating convergence between our economies.”

 

Outgoing US Vice President Joe Biden who was also in Davos, said in his last major speech before leaving office that Russia was the biggest threat to the international liberal order.

 

“Simply put, Mr Putin has a different vision of the future. It seeks to return to a world where the strong pulls this world to its military might, corruption and criminality while weaker nations have to fall in line.”

 

Day 3 sees the arrival of British Prime Minister Theresa May in the wake of her big Brexit speech. Russia will also be in the spotlight in a panel moderated by euronews’ Isabelle Kumar. Join euronews for special coverage from the forum throughout the day.

 

-- © Copyright Euronews 2017-01-20

[steve187]

“Brexit, respectable but regrettable. It’s a wake-up call for us. ''

 

how correct he is, the old boys club is under pressure, the days of cushy jobs could be over.

[daveAustin]

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We need to co-operate more because union is the best way to co-operate for our member states. 

 

No, it isn't! That is the point. You and your ilk might want it, but the people (at least the ones that count and the net contributors) do not. If you'd have capped it at 15 and kept it all about trade, you would not be in this situation. They just don't get it, do they.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

 

No, it isn't! That is the point. You and your ilk might want it, but the people (at least the ones that count and the net contributors) do not. If you'd have capped it at 15 and kept it all about trade, you would not be in this situation. They just don't get it, do they.

100% correct - well said

[jpinx]

The EU will probably survive by becoming much more federalised.  Whether the French and Dutch will tolerate that is open to question.  Even if it ends up as Germany and it's colonies, it's still in UK's interests that the neighbours are friendly and healthy,  but there is a very old saying that "Good fences make good neighbours."   :)

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, daveAustin said:

 

No, it isn't! That is the point. You and your ilk might want it, but the people (at least the ones that count and the net contributors) do not. If you'd have capped it at 15 and kept it all about trade, you would not be in this situation. They just don't get it, do they.

 

They don't want to get it. They believe they know best, that their vision of a federal European super state, rules by bureaucrats, with vast hierarchies of politicians and bureaucrats nullifying electorate power, is the only acceptable vision. This means full political, social, and economic integration. Of course they would then want to ban any party they considered extreme.

 

The fact they are worried by "popularism" i.e. what is popular with the people who vote says it all. They'd love a one party state.

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, jpinx said:

The EU will probably survive by becoming much more federalised.  Whether the French and Dutch will tolerate that is open to question.  Even if it ends up as Germany and it's colonies, it's still in UK's interests that the neighbours are friendly and healthy,  but there is a very old saying that "Good fences make good neighbours."   :)

 

It's the Germans who have always been driving towards a federal state. One in which they see themselves as the leaders and managers.

 

Can't see the Dutch standing for that. Like the British they don't like being dictated to, nor do they fall for the German BS hype about how all things German are the best. The French will only support it if the Germans allow them to think they are "partners" in the leadership. French socialists will fall for that. Throw a few things their way, making French the official main EU language and crap like that. The French right aren't so daft.

 

Germany, in both World Wars, failed to bring any nation is occupied on side. It's allies were other far right racist bigoted countries only. Merkel may be more subtle but domination is still the game. 

[jpinx]

10 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

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Well said on both posts.  Nothing wrong with a federal Europe in my book, so long as UK is not in it :)  

[elgordo38]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

DAVOS: -- The rise of populism could threaten the future of the European Union.

Yes the rich are flummoxed by what is happening in the world and to their plans of full domination of us. They might do some rethinking of their full tilt robbery of the masses program and pry their purses open a teensy wheensy bit. Maybe they can picture themselves doing a lamp post jig. 

[timewilltell]

Federal Europe is not what we voted to enter 50 years or so ago - it was a common market for trade with unification on quality. That has morphed into something much different.

 

The idealists driving the Federal Europe truck talk about the various states meaning countries with no concept of understanding that countries are nothing except a group of people. People do not figure anywhere on their thinking.

 

Well the people have had enough and you can call it populism or whatever you like it is still people standing up to decide who lead them.  

 

As for a Federal Europe - a good idea to work towards starting with a gradual common set of laws and justice system for all and a gradual mixing of cultures over several generations but not as they are forcing implementation. They have no clue how to reach their ideal of a Federal Europe without trampling and forcing their way. Stupid Euro leaders 

[optad]

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[Morch]

14 hours ago, jpinx said:

The EU will probably survive by becoming much more federalised.  Whether the French and Dutch will tolerate that is open to question.  Even if it ends up as Germany and it's colonies, it's still in UK's interests that the neighbours are friendly and healthy,  but there is a very old saying that "Good fences make good neighbours."   :)

 

 

 

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, optad said:

buy gold

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