Court issues arrest warrants against Briton, South African over murder of British businessman

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 minutes ago, saakura said:

The fact that both killers arrived in Thailand for their first ever visit just a few days before the killing and left immediately after suggests they were brought here for the specific purpose, perhaps by other big scamsters who are driving around in porsches.

 

Ditto to what I said above in #28.

 

The police have a tendency to go for the easy, low-hanging fruit. But somehow, almost always, the big fish seem to slip away or are simply never pursued in the first place.  As long as the police have somebody to point to for photo ops in a press conference, their job is done.

 

BTW, heard anything more lately about the police colonel who, according to prior media reports, bailed out the deceased from Immigration detention following one of his prior arrests?  When was the last time an ordintary farang crook in Thailand got bailed out of jail by a Thai police colonel?

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Dogmatix]

Assuming that these two farangs really were the murderers and that Kenway really was a boiler room boy, I would find it quite unlikely that the motive was that their savings had been scammed out of their savings.  Boiler rooms don't target farang low lifes hanging out in Sihanoukville.  They target Joe Normal living in Farangland that they find out of some directory or other.  Far more likely they were hit men hired by a rival boiler room or a former partner on the basis that they wouldn't be recognised as they don't live locally and would just melt back across the border.  Cambodia doesn't have am extradition treaty with Thailand but may extradite people on a case by case basis.  

 

 

[sanukjim]

3 hours ago, redwinecheese said:

 

Why do you have to question minor details while important facts like CCTV cameras caught them red handed!?

Because that minor detail sounds like the Bib are fishing again for scrap goats. If they lie on one thing then what about the others ?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

26 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 Far more likely they were hit men hired by a rival boiler room or a former partner...

 

Yes, and it would be real interesting to ultimately find out whether the ones who ordered the hit were Thai or farangs...  But I suspect, those kinds of details will likely never come to public light.

 

[Peterw42]

14 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Something tells me here, that the two guys being named as the killers by police are probably NOT the ones who instigated this killing. More than likely, they were just the foot soldiers for some higher up(s) who wanted Kenway gone.

 

Probably, someone(s) who drive around in Mercedes and/or Porsche cars like the deceased. And likewise own multiple houses in Thailand. That profile really doesn't look like it fits the two guys on the motorcycle.

 

Whether the police will ever get to the actual party/parties responsible, or whether they have any desire to do so, remains to be seen.

 

BTW - If you knew you were going to go to shoot and kill someone in broad daylight traveling via a rented motorcycle, how dumb would you have to be to leave your real passport info with the motorcycle rental shop? Just saying...  Unless, of course, the presented passport IDs are fakes or belong to two uninvolved guys somewhere other than the actual shooters.

 

A couple of the news reports are directly saying the suspects are former partners, who now live in Cambodia.

The BKK publication that cant be quoted

 

[Peterw42]

2 hours ago, saakura said:

The fact that both killers arrived in Thailand for their first ever visit just a few days before the killing and left immediately after suggests they were brought here for the specific purpose, perhaps by other big scamsters who are driving around in porsches.

We must be reading different news stories. News reports are saying both suspects lived in Thailand before and were business partners of the victim in a boiler room.

[The man from udon]

52 minutes ago, LotusBoy said:

Web Designer? Not that old chestnut again. Ok, if you say so 

 

Normally I would say RIP, but this guy was a crook left right and centre. Good guys in, Bad guys out. One down and two to go.

Bad guys out in a box.

[The man from udon]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yes, and it would be real interesting to ultimately find out whether the ones who ordered the hit were Thai or farangs...  But I suspect, those kinds of details will likely never come to public light.

 

Thais aren't clued up to to swindle like this.maybe sell you a tshirt for 300 baht or rip you off on a jet ski scam.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

So, the BKK Post is quoting an unnamed police source saying the deceased had a business dispute with a group of influential foreigners over illegal activities....

 

So this one may not be a Thai on farang caper.

 

In their prior day report, the Post said the dispute supposedly involved another party owing Kenway 8 million baht over the call center business, and when the other party failed to pay the amount, supposedly the deceased tried to have the police arrest the other guy, forcing him to decamp for Cambodia.

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[elgordo38]

Another slant on the story. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2711874/british-businessman-tony-kenway-shot-thailand-boiler-room-scam/

[SiSePuede419]

Businessman?  

 

Don't you mean "criminal" or "scam" or "con" artist???

 

The 39-year-old posted a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio playing infamous scammer Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street on Facebook

 

??????

[manarak]

12 hours ago, Elkski said:

No!!!    What's the chance they will be arrested?  

actually the chance is quite high.

they have crossed into Cambodia a long time ago and now can't use their IDs to leave Cambodia.

I also think they greatly underestimate Cambodian police. It's only a matter of time.

 

and where would they go anyway?

they could try to leave Cambodia on a boat from Sihanoukville where the shooter worked or through some obscure stretch of jungle, but to go where?

 

it's obvious they hoped to not be identified, but unsurprisingly for persons who probably invested in either sports bets, fake stocks or shady businesses, they were not clever enough to hide their tracks or to get fake ID.

 

what are their plans now in Cambodia? Hole up in some jungle cabin?

 

and... do you believe the hit has been ordered by a third person? this infamous "Mr. Toby" who allegedly owed Kenway 8 million baht?

Edited January 26, 2017 by manarak

[catman20]

He who lives by the sword ....................................................

[Dogmatix]

2 hours ago, manarak said:

actually the chance is quite high.

they have crossed into Cambodia a long time ago and now can't use their IDs to leave Cambodia.

I also think they greatly underestimate Cambodian police. It's only a matter of time.

 

and where would they go anyway?

they could try to leave Cambodia on a boat from Sihanoukville where the shooter worked or through some obscure stretch of jungle, but to go where?

 

it's obvious they hoped to not be identified, but unsurprisingly for persons who probably invested in either sports bets, fake stocks or shady businesses, they were not clever enough to hide their tracks or to get fake ID.

 

what are their plans now in Cambodia? Hole up in some jungle cabin?

 

and... do you believe the hit has been ordered by a third person? this infamous "Mr. Toby" who allegedly owed Kenway 8 million baht?

If they are at a loose end in Cambodia and without cash because Kenway scammed their life savings, they can always turn themselves in for extradition to Thailand. If they plead guilty and maybe finger a few more farang crooks (but not their police protectors), the court will let them off with life sentences and they will be eligible for free accommodation and red rice indefinitely.

[ffaarraanngg]

5 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

If they are at a loose end in Cambodia and without cash because Kenway scammed their life savings, they can always turn themselves in for extradition to Thailand. If they plead guilty and maybe finger a few more farang crooks (but not their police protectors), the court will let them off with life sentences and they will be eligible for free accommodation and red rice indefinitely.

I was under the impression its closer to 10 years inside if you plead guilty to murder.

 

And the one who didn't do the shooting could get away with murder entirely  .

[Stanley78]

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Businessman?  

 

Don't you mean "criminal" or "scam" or "con" artist???

 

The 39-year-old posted a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio playing infamous scammer Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street on Facebook

 

??????

All news sites etc. are saying that but actually the photo of Leonardo DiCaprio he posted is from another movie: The Great Gatsby.

 

Tony Kenway most likely thought it was from the Wolf of Wall Street as well though. Since that's the kind of person he appears to have wanted to be.

[Dogmatix]

2 minutes ago, ffaarraanngg said:

I was under the impression its closer to 10 years inside if you plead guilty to murder.

 

And the one who didn't do the shooting could get away with murder entirely  .

For most ordinary murderers it will start as life (considered 50 years for parole purposes) or 30 years. Time served can be whittled down considerably from that, particularly for wealthy and well connected murderers, e.g. Kamnan Poh, even if they go on the lam. I believe Pol Gen Kerdthes who murdered a woman and her young son by drugging them and putting in the road to be run over by a truck and was sentenced to death, is already out as a free man after about 15 years inside.

[ffaarraanngg]

7 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

For most ordinary murderers it will start as life (considered 50 years for parole purposes) or 30 years. Time served can be whittled down considerably from that, particularly for wealthy and well connected murderers, e.g. Kamnan Poh, even if they go on the lam. I believe Pol Gen Kerdthes who murdered a woman and her young son by drugging them and putting in the road to be run over by a truck and was sentenced to death, is already out as a free man after about 15 years inside.

Yes you get life, but time served is closer to 10 or 15 yrs ... when that fukwit from England stabbed the US soldier in Phuket this is what he got and it was pretty standard for pleading guilty to murder .... going not guilty will be a different sentence.

 

Its the drug trafficking that gets you whole life tariffs. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by ffaarraanngg

[zaphod reborn]

15 hours ago, Mansell said:

I don't believe he was found guilty of anything, so then he is presumed innocent on all the things you wrote.....and he was murdered. So not guilty by execution.

1) he'll never be tried for his crimes

2) Thai government could have prosecuted, or, if they felt it too difficult, easily could have deported him

3) his guilt is irrelevant - however, he was obviously involved in illegal business in Thailand, as he had no proper company or ability to employ foreign workers and those illegal businesses are connected with his death

[Dogmatix]

19 minutes ago, zaphod reborn said:

1) he'll never be tried for his crimes

2) Thai government could have prosecuted, or, if they felt it too difficult, easily could have deported him

3) his guilt is irrelevant - however, he was obviously involved in illegal business in Thailand, as he had no proper company or ability to employ foreign workers and those illegal businesses are connected with his death

 

He arrived 7 years ago and allegedly had a very successful business in Thailand but was arrested for working without a work permit himself, 5 years into this success business career, in addition to hiring other foreign illegals. It seems you are right that he didn't even bother to set up a Thai front company to get himself a work permit and a semblance of respectability. Presumably filed no tax returns for himself or his business either. Yet he was able to pass himself off as one the good and the great of the farang business company like Bill Heineke or some other real person, generously donating savings stolen from foreign pensioners to local charities.

 

It would be nice to think the Thai authorities will seize all his Thai assets for distribution to his victims but the victims will be last in line.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Dogmatix

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Well, assuming he actually owned the Porsche and the Mercedes, I'd imagine the wife would get to keep those. And re the supposed four houses he "owned," assuming they weren't leased and perhaps were in his wife's name, she might end up with those as well.

 

I'd seriously doubt the Thai government/authorities will try to seize the assets of the guy, notwithstanding his questionable past, given that he's dead, the remaining beneficiaries would be his Thai wife and kids, and no criminal case was ever concluded against him, despite the pending charges both in Thailand and abroad.  But, with the Thai police involved, you never know!!!

 

[zaphod reborn]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

It would be nice to think the Thai authorities will seize all his Thai assets for distribution to his victims but the victims will be last in line.

 

Apparently, most of the stock investment scam victims were in the UK, so little chance of any of them ever receiving recompense.

[Peterw42]

The nature of these boiler room operations is the money is most likely sitting in a bank in Hong Kong etc.
Living expenses and money for toys comes into Thailand, but the bulk of it offshore .

[merlen10002]

20 hours ago, little mary sunshine said:

 

 

  This British Thief probable stole all their money

in a scam.

Why would anyone drive 

 

22 hours ago, lonewolf99 said:

Well IF these are the villains.....it looks like they don't own Porsche cars....or dress like people who do !

Why would anyone drive a Porsche to do a murder , motor bike is best , but no helmets not very smart

[TinTin77]

Businessman?  
 
Don't you mean "criminal" or "scam" or "con" artist???
 
The 39-year-old posted a photo of Leonardo DiCaprio playing infamous scammer Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street on Facebook
 
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I would be questioning Joe who left a comment on FB.. seems he knew what was coming ....veiled threat ?!

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[LotusBoy]

1 hour ago, TinTin77 said:

I would be questioning Joe who left a comment on FB.. seems he knew what was coming ....veiled threat ?!

Sent from my SM-A910F using Thaivisa Connect mobile app
 

Yeah, he is a looker alright. Bet the ladies love him. Self Employed , of course you are 

[csabo]

On 1/26/2017 at 3:17 PM, frank0424 said:

If they are guilty, what IDIOTS  they are!

They could have worn full face helmets and hidden their identity.

Or not murdered anyone...