SWEDEN AT BREAKING POINT: Police make urgent plea for help as violent crime spirals

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

I'm not a Trump supporter.

This  has nothing to do with Trump.

A small number of Swedes imposed their political views on their country. The majority of Swedes chose not to pay attention or care and woke up to find their country over run by a violent demographic which has no respect for Swedish values or culture.

I don't care. Swedish made problem which will force Swedes to finally grow a pair of balls.

 

 

You got some statistics to back that up? Or do you prefer to trust a rightwing rag like the express which routinely engages in massive exaggeration. Want to take a bet on which country has the higher crime rates? Sweden or the USA?

[Shawn0000]

6 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

I'm not a Trump supporter.

This  has nothing to do with Trump.

A small number of Swedes imposed their political views on their country. The majority of Swedes chose not to pay attention or care and woke up to find their country over run by a violent demographic which has no respect for Swedish values or culture.

I don't care. Swedish made problem which will force Swedes to finally grow a pair of balls.

 

 

You don't know Swedish history, they are made by immigrants, they are aware of this, they know whether they are a Scandinavian Swede or a German Swede or a Danish Swede, or a Swede from a multitude of other origins, their culture is made up of cosmopolitan values, they welcome diversity as they always have done.  The violence is not about the demographics, the violence is about inequality, as is evidenced by the ethnic Swedes rioting along side every other demographic, all under the same banner, "WE ARE ONE".  This nonsense that the violence is being caused by immigrant importing a different ethic was started in Israel and America, not in Sweden, stop believing the fake Zionist news and start listening to Swedes.

[ilostmypassword]

6 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

You don't know Swedish history, they are made by immigrants, they are aware of this, they know whether they are a Scandinavian Swede or a German Swede or a Danish Swede, or a Swede from a multitude of other origins, their culture is made up of cosmopolitan values, they welcome diversity as they always have done.  The violence is not about the demographics, the violence is about inequality, as is evidenced by the ethnic Swedes rioting along side every other demographic, all under the same banner, "WE ARE ONE".  This nonsense that the violence is being caused by immigrant importing a different ethic was started in Israel and America, not in Sweden, stop believing the fake Zionist news and start listening to Swedes.

I was with you all the way until you started invoking "Zionist news." Sometimes mentions of "Zionism" really are about Zionism but other times, as seems likely in this case, it's really about anti-semitism.

[Shawn0000]

29 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I was with you all the way until you started invoking "Zionist news." Sometimes mentions of "Zionism" really are about Zionism but other times, as seems likely in this case, it's really about anti-semitism.

 

Then you are simply unaware of the specifics.  There is an American-Israeli publication, a pro-Zionist, Islamophobic hate group funder, who put out miss information regarding Sweden's problems.  It has been quoted on this very thread, nothing about antisemitism, just a fact.

[ilostmypassword]

10 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Then you are simply unaware of the specifics.  There is an American-Israeli publication, a pro-Zionist, Islamophobic hate group funder, who put out miss information regarding Sweden's problems.  It has been quoted on this very thread, nothing about antisemitism, just a fact.

To spare me the trouble of poring over 7 pages, can you just tell me the name of the publication?  

[Shawn0000]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

To spare me the trouble of poring over 7 pages, can you just tell me the name of the publication?  

 The Gatestone Institute.

[ilostmypassword]

36 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 The Gatestone Institute.

I see what you mean. Still, I think a better term of description for that foul organization would be "muslim-bashing" rather than "zionist."

 

[Shawn0000]

21 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I see what you mean. Still, I think a better term of description for that foul organization would be "muslim-bashing" rather than "zionist."

 

The founder and president of The Gatestone Institute, Nina Rosenwald, is described by one of the institutes she donates to, the Open University of Israel, as "An ardent Zionist all her life".  I think my description of the publication as being Zionist is fair.

http://afoui.org/nina-rosenwald/

[AGLV0121]

7 hours ago, Flustered said:

Islam does not integrate. There is not one country in the world where Muslims have integrated with the local populace. They are forbidden by the Quran from doing so.

 

I would agree if your assertion was entirely true. I used to live in Montreal, Canada, my Muslim friends or coworkers were people from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, most of them holding at least bachelor degree, many PhD holders professors at the ETS, Polytechnic and so on. These are special cases, but this makes your statement false.

Note that their families still live in their respective countries for most. It's another story when the families are brought as a whole. Then, tradition takes over, Canada has seen horrible honour-based violence cases.

[AGLV0121]

1 hour ago, Shawn0000 said:

There is an American-Israeli publication, a pro-Zionist, Islamophobic hate group funder, who put out miss information regarding Sweden's problems.  It has been quoted on this very thread, nothing about antisemitism, just a fact.

 

Yeah, sure, you'll always find something "Zionist" to support your point and jump on it to generalize.

 

[Shawn0000]

7 hours ago, Flustered said:

If these refugees would integrate I would agree. Sweden has been a shining example of a country offering refuge, What a shame that Saudi Arabia and other rich Islamic States have not offered sanctuary to these poor unfortunates. The excuse given is that they are not of the same branch of Islam and would not fit in. They have instead donated huge sums of money to have these refugees looked after in other countries.Mind you, if I were offered the choice of Saudi Arabia or Sweden, I would opt for Sweden as well.

 

Islam does not integrate. There is not one country in the world where Muslims have integrated with the local populace. They are forbidden by the Quran from doing so. Muslim females MUST marry Muslin males and Muslim males should marry Muslim women but can marry People of the Book, the assumption being that as women are inferior to men, they can then be converted to Islam.

 

These simple facts cannot be denied by any Muslim as they are fundamental to the belief in Islam.

 

There is not one Islamic country in the world that has allowed other cultures to settle and live side by side with the same rights as Muslims. Not one. Even in Malaysia, probably the least oppressive of Muslim countries, the Bumiputra are given more rights than any other ethnic group. Malaysia does not have integration, just multi culture with the Muslims having more rights than the others.
 

Why should countries like Sweden and the rest of Europe which is not Islamic, be turned into a replica of Syria or Somalia because that is what is happening.

 

The day that Muslims agree to integrate and marry other faiths, allowing the children to be brought up in a faith of their choice, I will be the first to welcome them with open arms and happily live side by side with them.

 

Turkey allows Muslim women to marry men of other faiths.  Malaysia is NOT the least of oppressive of Muslim countries, they have religious police!  Syria allowed other faiths the same rights as Muslims, Mali is another, and Indonesia is another, are you trying to tell us that people in Bali do not have the same rights as people in Jakarta?  Nonsense! 

 

What exactly is it with your lot always obsessing with Muslims, why not the Chinese, they don't integrate, they go s far as to make their own "china towns", even build their own schools, they only give jobs to their own people and only marry within their own race, why don't you share your fears of Muslims with them?

 

[Shawn0000]

9 minutes ago, AGLV0121 said:

 

Yeah, sure, you'll always find something "Zionist" to support your point and jump on it to generalize.

 

 

I was referencing a post on here from a Zionist publication, I didn't have to try real hard to find it, and how is it generalizing to point out that their claims regarding Muslim immigration in Sweden are not unbiased due to their Zionist agenda?  I was only seeking to educate, the there is fake news coming out of America regarding Sweden, something the Swedish authorities have made clear themselves.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎29‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 4:35 AM, ilostmypassword said:

Rather misleading headline. It's about 1 city: Malmo. Not all of Sweden. But maybe to Trump supporters it's the same thing. Much like Trump's claim that the USA is a crime wave disaster zone because of Chicago.

I find that rather a strange comment. Sweden is one country, and Malmo is not a seperate state from the rest of Sweden. The Swedish government is entirely capable of sending additional resources to Malmo. That they do not do so is significant.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Turkey allows Muslim women to marry men of other faiths.  Malaysia is NOT the least of oppressive of Muslim countries, they have religious police!  Syria allowed other faiths the same rights as Muslims, Mali is another, and Indonesia is another, are you trying to tell us that people in Bali do not have the same rights as people in Jakarta?  Nonsense! 

 

What exactly is it with your lot always obsessing with Muslims, why not the Chinese, they don't integrate, they go s far as to make their own "china towns", even build their own schools, they only give jobs to their own people and only marry within their own race, why don't you share your fears of Muslims with them?

 

Strange comparison ( Chinese and Muslims ). Far as I know, Chinese don't go around blowing themselves and others up simply because they consider the "others" to be unworthy of life because they don't believe in the same fairy story.

BTW, plenty of Chinese marry other races when they live in other countries. I don't know which Chinese you are referring to. IMO "China town" is a marketing tool.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, AGLV0121 said:

 

I would agree if your assertion was entirely true. I used to live in Montreal, Canada, my Muslim friends or coworkers were people from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, most of them holding at least bachelor degree, many PhD holders professors at the ETS, Polytechnic and so on. These are special cases, but this makes your statement false.

Note that their families still live in their respective countries for most. It's another story when the families are brought as a whole. Then, tradition takes over, Canada has seen horrible honour-based violence cases.

AS one that lived in Saudi, I'd be interested to know if your Muslim friends would have been happy for their sister or daughter to marry a non Muslim, or even if they were allowed to be alone with a non relative male. Just being friends does not necessarily mean they allow their women to be free to do as they choose ergo, that they are integrated.

[Shawn0000]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Strange comparison ( Chinese and Muslims ). Far as I know, Chinese don't go around blowing themselves and others up simply because they consider the "others" to be unworthy of life because they don't believe in the same fairy story.

BTW, plenty of Chinese marry other races when they live in other countries. I don't know which Chinese you are referring to. IMO "China town" is a marketing tool.

 

It is not a strange comparison at all, they are about the least integrative people in the world.  The fact that there are Muslims blowing people up has nothing to do with what we were talking about, which was specifically integration.

BTW, plenty of Muslims marry non Muslims when they live in other countries.  And you may want to consider how China Towns came to be, it was not as a marketing tool by the way, they chose to ghettoize themselves.  Would you be calling, "Syria Town Sweden" a marketing tool or would you be getting all hot under the collar?

[Shawn0000]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

AS one that lived in Saudi, I'd be interested to know if your Muslim friends would have been happy for their sister or daughter to marry a non Muslim, or even if they were allowed to be alone with a non relative male. Just being friends does not necessarily mean they allow their women to be free to do as they choose ergo, that they are integrated.

 

As one who lived in Saudi you feel you have some insight into Canadian Muslims, hmmmm.

[ilostmypassword]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I find that rather a strange comment. Sweden is one country, and Malmo is not a seperate state from the rest of Sweden. The Swedish government is entirely capable of sending additional resources to Malmo. That they do not do so is significant.

But the headline says "SWEDEN AT BREAKING POINT". Does the text justify that.  Chicago is also experience a terrible crime wave.  Would that justify a headline saying "USA AT BREAKING POINT"

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

It is not a strange comparison at all, they are about the least integrative people in the world.  The fact that there are Muslims blowing people up has nothing to do with what we were talking about, which was specifically integration.

BTW, plenty of Muslims marry non Muslims when they live in other countries.  And you may want to consider how China Towns came to be, it was not as a marketing tool by the way, they chose to ghettoize themselves.  Would you be calling, "Syria Town Sweden" a marketing tool or would you be getting all hot under the collar?

I was responding to your statement

why don't you share your fears of Muslims with them?

Fears has everything to do with them blowing innocent people up. I doubt anyone "fears" the local Chinese.

 

BTW, the Chinese didn't "choose" to ghettoize themselves. They did it because the local populace discriminated against the Chinese and they had to live that way for protection amongst other reasons, just like the Jews had to in Russia and Europe.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

But the headline says "SWEDEN AT BREAKING POINT". Does the text justify that.  Chicago is also experience a terrible crime wave.  Would that justify a headline saying "USA AT BREAKING POINT"

 

Perhaps Sweden is at breaking point. Just because the article is about Malmo does not mean everywhere else is peachy.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

As one who lived in Saudi you feel you have some insight into Canadian Muslims, hmmmm.

If I had some insight into Canadian Muslims I wouldn't have asked the question.

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps Sweden is at breaking point. Just because the article is about Malmo does not mean everywhere else is peachy.

But it doesn't mean that it is either. And if the information in your article doesn't back up the headline, then it's clear and irrefutable that the headline is misleading.

[Shawn0000]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was responding to your statement

why don't you share your fears of Muslims with them?

Fears has everything to do with them blowing innocent people up. I doubt anyone "fears" the local Chinese.

 

BTW, the Chinese didn't "choose" to ghettoize themselves. They did it because the local populace discriminated against the Chinese and they had to live that way for protection amongst other reasons, just like the Jews had to in Russia and Europe.

 

Except you missed the premise, that their fears are due to lack of integration not terrorism.

 

Chinatown in London was not started out of persecution, they made it to cater to their sailors, the same for New York, the persecution started later as they imported more and more cheap labor and other nationalities struggled to compete with them.  Anyway, why do new Chinese immigrants head to Chinese areas today?   It is not out of fear of persecution, it is because it is easier for them as they help each other, things are familiar and they are understood, the same with Muslims who head to Muslim areas in other countries, appearing to avoid integration but actually just making sensible choices.

 

[Shawn0000]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps Sweden is at breaking point. Just because the article is about Malmo does not mean everywhere else is peachy.

 

There is a reason they have seen the riots in Malmo, and it is not because life is also so hopeless elsewhere in Sweden, the area is seriously deprived, the rioters want equality, they want what most people in Sweden have, which is a peachy country, one of the most peachy in the EU.

[Shawn0000]

5 hours ago, DILLIGAD said:

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One of the biggest threats to our survival is crooks like Le Pen stealing EU funds and using them for her own agenda, the sooner she is locked up the better for everyone.

[DILLIGAD]

 

Except you missed the premise, that their fears are due to lack of integration not terrorism.

 

Chinatown in London was not started out of persecution, they made it to cater to their sailors, the same for New York, the persecution started later as they imported more and more cheap labor and other nationalities struggled to compete with them.  Anyway, why do new Chinese immigrants head to Chinese areas today?   It is not out of fear of persecution, it is because it is easier for them as they help each other, things are familiar and they are understood, the same with Muslims who head to Muslim areas in other countries, appearing to avoid integration but actually just making sensible choices.

 

So why are there Sharia courts in UK then, when we already have a legal system that has worked adequately for centuries?

Why are certain companies forcing everybody to eat only meat after the animal been brutally slaughtered (Halal)?

Why is segregated swimming needed?

Shall I go on???

Or am I alarmist to feel that this is a (fairly) silent invasion by overpopulation???

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[mcfish]

Wow a lot of swede in total denial.

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[Flustered]

10 hours ago, optad said:

Flustered you are uninformed on you notions of the muslim church. 

 

Do you not see that this issue is beyond the specific "I" and needs bigger scaffolds than you alone can represent. 

First, I can only give MY opinion, hence the I. I do not deny others their opinion and would defend the right of everyone to have an opinion. However (not you) being personal and insulting normally means that the argument is lost.

 

Secondly, what have I  misunderstood about Islam? Are you saying that Muslims can marry outside of their faith and integrate with other societies? Are you saying that there are Muslim countries that openly welcome other religions and faiths to live side by side with them?

 

I am only giving my opinion, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. I have never stated that any FM is a bigot for having a belief other than my own.

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[Shawn0000]

9 minutes ago, DILLIGAD said:

So why are there Sharia courts in UK then, when we already have a legal system that has worked adequately for centuries?

Why are certain companies forcing everybody to eat only meat after the animal been brutally slaughtered (Halal)?

Why is segregated swimming needed?

Shall I go on???

Or am I alarmist to feel that this is a (fairly) silent invasion by overpopulation???

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They are not courts but councils, they provide the nullifying of divorces as religions do not recognize the court proceedings regarding divorce, they provide counseling and arbitration.  They are a voluntary mediator, they work with British lawyers as only British law is admissible in the UK, their aim being to satisfy their religious needs while keeping within British law. 

 

Halal in the UK is not brutal, the UK Halal authority supports stunning and the only thing that has changed in many slaughter houses is there is now a CD playing the prayer.  Kosher is another thing, they forbid stunning, if you care about animal welfare then concentrate your energy on changing that, a prayer on your food is not going to hurt you.

 

Segregated swimming?  We always had a women's only night in my towns pool, no Muslims there though, just women who didn't want men splashing about all over their blue rinse.

 

The issue is clear, it is not you who is alarmist, you are alarmed by the alarmist nonsense you have read, I suggest you read something better than your comic book tabloids if you don't find them funny.

 

[Shawn0000]

6 minutes ago, Flustered said:

First, I can only give MY opinion, hence the I. I do not deny others their opinion and would defend the right of everyone to have an opinion. However (not you) being personal and insulting normally means that the argument is lost.

 

Secondly, what have I  misunderstood about Islam? Are you saying that Muslims can marry outside of their faith and integrate with other societies? Are you saying that there are Muslim countries that openly welcome other religions and faiths to live side by side with them?

 

I am only giving my opinion, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. I have never stated that any FM is a bigot for having a belief other than my own.

 

You are not giving an opinion you are stating things as facts, things which I have already corrected.  Yes, there are countries where Muslims can marry outside of their faith, Turkey being the example I gave you.  And yes, there are Muslim countries where other religions can live side by side with them, Syria was the famous example before the rise of ISIS.  Current examples are Mali and Indonesia.