likethemthin Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Looking to buy alcohol distilling equipment for home legal rum making. Some members of Thai Visa in some old posts ave had experience distilling alcohol from mainly corn or cane sugar. I need to locate a source of stainless steel or copper distilling equipment, particularly the big tank and “worm” apparatus, for a legal but small distilling operation. If anyone has any leads on where this kind of equipment can be purchased (from Thailand, Laos, Vietnam), your answer much appreciated. I don’t want to even try to import from US or UK. Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 There is no possible way to legally do this at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) it most certainly is illegal to do that here . google thai licencing laws. Edited February 1, 2017 by sirmud63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piersbeckett Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Hasn't 'the very head one' just pronounced on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likethemthin Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Guys, my post specifically mentioned Legal. We have a Thai lawyer to get all permits and product is for export only. But at least nice to be read!! But as there are few "home brewers" here in Thailand compared to other countries, trying to land a Thai equipment supplier for this kind of equipment has not been successful. Cheers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rak sa_ngop Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Some of the cheap dark Indian rums can be very tasty. But not keen on Filipino ones, although not tried too many. Good luck with your legal venture. PM me when you need some independent tasting reviews ha ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, likethemthin said: Guys, my post specifically mentioned Legal. We have a Thai lawyer to get all permits and product is for export only. But at least nice to be read!! But as there are few "home brewers" here in Thailand compared to other countries, trying to land a Thai equipment supplier for this kind of equipment has not been successful. Cheers!! I would love to know how you are going to do this legally. Exactly what is your lawyer going to do for you? You clearly are not listening, but there is no way whatsoever that you will get the licenses and permits to do this from home. I don't mean to be harsh, but it simply is not possible. You need a Thai company with 10 million baht registered capital, a factory license, an alcohol production permit, a bonded warehouse (which requires a sizeable cash bond to be lodged), an export permit, VAT registration, paperless customs and FDA approval to manufacture. That's just off the top of my head. The biggest problem you face is the minimum production quantities. Ask your lawyer what the minimum production quantity is, then let us know. I guarantee you will not be able to produce that quantity at home. The reason you can not find a supplier is because there are no legal suppliers - because of the restrictions I outlined above there is no legal marketplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancnx Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Good luck with that, if you are successful my bet is the big boys will come calling. I am sure of this as I once had an aspiration to produce a craft beer. Not impossible but my enquiries led my to believe any major success would be met with ummmmmm resistance....... GL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereinthailand Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Lots of good stills on aliexpress.com ready to go https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2GAL-8L-Copper-Ethanol-Water-Alcohol-Distiller-Moonshine-Still-Stainless-Steel-Distillation-Boiler/32767892232.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.85.hgBfP4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_10501_10503_10000032_119_10000025_10000029_430_10000028_10060_10062_10056_10055_10000062_10054_10059_10099_10000022_10000012_10103_10000015_10102_10096_10000018_10000019_10000056_10000059_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000053_10000007_10000050_10084_10118_10083_10000047_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10115_10000041_10000044_10078_10079_10000038_429_10073_10000035_10121-10503_10501,searchweb201603_1,afswitch_3_afChannel,single_sort_2_default&btsid=24098702-d071-4f61-b835-18b500436265 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/25L-45L-65L-Transformer-wine-maker-brew-kit-Alcohol-Distiller-household-stainless-New/32696276851.html?spm=2114.30010308.3.93.kfTgAp&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_10501_10503_10000032_119_10000025_10000029_430_10000028_10060_10062_10056_10055_10000062_10054_10059_10099_10000022_10000012_10103_10000015_10102_10096_10000018_10000019_10000056_10000059_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000053_10000007_10000050_10084_10118_10083_10000047_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10115_10000041_10000044_10078_10079_10000038_429_10073_10000035_10121-10503_10501,searchweb201603_1,afswitch_3_afChannel,single_sort_2_default&btsid=24098702-d071-4f61-b835-18b500436265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Making whiskey or rum must be same same but different than brewing beer in Thailand http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/938719-brewing-beer-in-thailand/ OP i think you owe blackcab a beer whiskey or rum for saving you the expense of lawyer fees and purchasing equipment that i believe would not be granted a 'permit' for your small distilling operation. I hope you prove us all wrong, please report back and let us know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likethemthin Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 To BlackCab: All of your points are well taken and I printed out to keep this list. But I am up here in Loei and things are quite a bit more informal, it is really “who you know” (isn’t it everywhere??)and I feel I am well covered in that regard. Also, I would not think to start this as a farang, my Thai wife and assorted relatives will be involved not me. I note there are many many smaller distilleries in Thailand, and many are set up as partnerships. I was also following the story of this fellow who started out quite small and had none of the investment you are mentioning: Article starts in Thai but there is an English translation at the end: http://www.tcdc.or.th/articles/business-industrial/17138/#เมรัยดอกไม้-Drunken-flower-ความคิดสร้างสรรค์บรรจุขวด And I also think I can follow along what Isaan Rum did, I feel there are successful models out there: http://www.liq9.com/issan-rum-750-ml.html And again, as this product is solely for export (and Thailand seriously promotes exports) some of the things you mention may not be applicable. But anyway, I am just investigating, and first thing would be equipment and cost. If it turns out this will not work, then OK I just wasted a little time. and to: Hereinthailand: Many thanks, I had those, but trying to avoid import tax/customs duties where I have been improperly burned before, I will double check to be sure I did not miss a Thai supplier, and also, I seem to have better luck using DHL since the customs law seems to be better followed and one just pays what is appropriate. Thanks again for the ideas. Just asking those that may have been through it, maybe had some leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereinthailand Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I always ship EMS to my wifes names from aliexpress and they always put gift and a low price on my items, never had any trouble. I would never ship DHL or Fed Ex or whoever as you will get charged whatever customs feels like. I dont mind paying import duty on something that is made or availible in thailand but when they force me to pay for something I cant get here I will try to work around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likethemthin Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Very good tip!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likethemthin Posted February 1, 2017 Author Share Posted February 1, 2017 Hi HereinThailand: I reviewed your link to mostly Chinese suppliers, but Yes, this seems to be what I had in mind. 65 liters is not a large unit, but good enough to test out the procedures. I think I read somewhere that 65 liters of mash would yield about 20 liters finished product, so you would have to be running this thing constantly or using a series of them which is somewhat appealing in that you keep possiblity of explosions to a minimum. And very good prices, most under $200 USD. So I will study these offerings carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereinthailand Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Making a distillation column out of copper is very easy to do with the right plans. Finding or having fabbed up a stainless boiler shouldnt be that hard to do either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyg Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, iancnx said: Good luck with that, if you are successful my bet is the big boys will come calling. I am sure of this as I once had an aspiration to produce a craft beer. Not impossible but my enquiries led my to believe any major success would be met with ummmmmm resistance....... GL I came across the one and only Beer Bar specializing in craft brew beers in BKK a couple years ago when I was living in Samut Prakan. I think it was a few blocks South of Soi Cowboy. Don't know the details but they were brewing some on premises. I was excellent beer. I was seriously spoiled too after 30 years in San Diego which is one of the top Micro Brew hubs in America. Wow there's 23 craft beer bars in BKK Who knew!!! https://www.google.co.th/search?q=craft+beer+bars+in+Bangkok&oq=craft+beer+bars+in+Bangkok&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.10433j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=craft beer bars in Bangkok&tbs=lf_msr:-1,lf_od:-1,lf_oh:-1,lf_pqs:EAE,lf:1,lf_ui:9&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=13730420,100553970,3825&tbm=lcl&rldimm=15078369898299566791&rlfi=hd:;si:4241880234245626765;mv:!1m3!1d58772.89413414367!2d100.5697036!3d13.770671550000001!2m3!1f0!2f0!3f0!3m2!1i164!2i182!4f13.1 Edited February 1, 2017 by joeyg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereinthailand Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 In the land of copy everything you could buy one to study and try then take it to a good metal shop and have it scaled up to a larger size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyg Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Thirst for change: Thailand's rebel microbreweries http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/26/foodanddrink/illegal-homebrewed-beers-thailand/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyg Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Also interesting I thought... Thai craft brewers are getting round the law and making their beers legal. Here's how. http://bk.asia-city.com/nightlife/news/thai-craft-brewers-making-beers-legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likethemthin Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Very entertaining and informative!! OK, I am over and out, signing out, because as usual, a very good bunch of expats has given me the info and direction I was looking for. Many thanks to all, and thank you for your time and trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick220675 Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 If you do have a go at making a brew make sure you have get a hydrometer, my wife's family have been making some good stuff for years. But there have been a few accidents leading to very painful temporary blindness. I brought them a hydrometer from the U.K and it has been quite interesting to test the different whiskeys. As previously mentioned its all illegal, I just sample it for family safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxc Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 There's a Frenchman distilling rum near Nong Khai, perhaps he can help - They welcome visitors; just search Trip Advisor.....Sent from my ASUS_T00J using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thian Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 In Malaysia they put a load of fruit in an earthware pot and dig it in the ground for some weeks..when they did it up there's a local brew in the pot. I've seen small stainless watertanks along the road for sale, maybe 200 liter or so. And the spiral can just be made of a copper pipe. Just google for moonshiners on discovery channel...they show you how to build it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyg Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 On 2/5/2017 at 10:06 PM, Thian said: In Malaysia they put a load of fruit in an earthware pot and dig it in the ground for some weeks..when they did it up there's a local brew in the pot. I've seen small stainless watertanks along the road for sale, maybe 200 liter or so. And the spiral can just be made of a copper pipe. Just google for moonshiners on discovery channel...they show you how to build it all. But's it's illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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