New format set for Thai police reshuffle

[webfact]

New format set for police reshuffle
By SURIYA PATATHAYO
THE NATION

 

 

BANGKOK: -- An impending reshuffle of the police will focus on decentralising the administration of the Royal Thai Police (RTP), a high-ranking police source said yesterday. The changes follow the order by Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha, as chief of the National Council for Peace and Order, under Article 44 of the interim charter that was published in the Royal Gazette on Monday.

 

Police positions of the level of deputy commander and below will be reshuffled, the source said, but the planned adjustments are not much different from the previous format although there will be clearer steps. 

 

As per the National Police Act 2004, each division’s commander was required to submit a list of candidates for promotion for the national police chief’s consideration before the candidates are screened by a board for appointment. 

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30306888

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-02-22

[sweatalot]

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

[klauskunkel]

the new format will be basically the same as the old format, but... it's new. Well done, the PM

[Thailand]

Same but different.

[colinneil]

No problem everyone in the photo has their parachute wing badges  

[Lupatria]

Maybe they only adjust the prices for promotion due to inflation

[TheFishman1]

division’s commander was required to submit a list of candidates for promotion for the national police. What that really means WHO PAID THE BOSS. TIT

[smutcakes]

43 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

They are moving deck chairs around anyone who cannot see that is a complete buffoon.

 

Reforming the police is bordering on impossible for any Government, military or not. They are simply to big, to powerful and know to many dirty secrets of other agencies. (politicians, army etc etc). It works in everyone's favor to do a bit of pushing and shoving from time to time for show. Looks like they are all taking reform seriously but why would any of them actually want to reform! There will only be reform when the public's patience of their ways finally snaps and change is demanded.

 

It may be easier to do under a civilian Government if they are fully supported by the public.

[Enoon]

1 hour ago, sweatalot said:

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

 

You must have missed the "New regimes pigs, different pigs........but still pigs, with their snouts in the trough" memo.

 

Did you take the trouble to glance at the one marked  "How it works in the East"?

 

That might save you a lot of "misunderstanding".........and misplaced hope.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2017 by Enoon

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

the new format will be basically the same as the old format, but... it's new. Well done, the PM

Yes, the ones playing with the traffic lights in their little boxes can carry on as usual, and the tea money collectors will

still be out when their coffers start to shrink.

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

 

Police positions of the level of deputy commander and below will be reshuffled

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

but the planned adjustments are not much different from the previous format

So no real change, just some internal adjustments for unspecified and perhaps unsavory purposes.

 

The chain of command for the RTP through the division commander down to the patrolman will remain the same with direct authority coming from the National Police Commander (now under the auspices of the NCPO) which is a centralization of authority.

So long as law enforcement is organized particularly under unelected national leadership holding absolute power over Thai people's sovereignty, it cannot be deemed decentralized by any measure.

[Brer Fox]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

No problem everyone in the photo has their parachute wing badges  

And trousers about 15 centimetres too long to make them feel taller.

Not only that they are missing part of the uniform. The face mask and dark glasses they wear when they shakedown  motorists.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Brer Fox

[fruitman]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

No problem everyone in the photo has their parachute wing badges  

Is that the top badge above their row of medals of honor?

 

What's funny about that?? Did they never make a parachute jump??

[fruitman]

8 minutes ago, Brer Fox said:

And trousers about 15 centimetres too long to make them feel taller.

That has a function so the mosquito's won't sting them while they sit under the bridge controlling traffic. Also it covers the gun attached to their leg.

 

The 2nd one from the left didn't stand under the bridge but in full sun...that's why his pants are a bit pale.

Edited February 22, 2017 by fruitman

[colinneil]

10 minutes ago, fruitman said:

Is that the top badge above their row of medals of honor?

 

What's funny about that?? Did they never make a parachute jump??

 

You ask whats funny about that.

Its funny because in order to get the wings they do 2 jumps off a platform, they dont do parachute drops.

[Dogmatix]

I think this is necessary because laws were introduced after the 2006 military coup to prevent politicians interfering with their top level promotions, as Thaksin had done.  It's is ironic that a later military government is staying in power to find this structure irksome.  No need to change the similar law regarding military promotions though.

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

As per the National Police Act 2004, each division’s commander was required to submit a list of candidates for promotion for the national police chief’s consideration before the candidates are screened by a board for appointment. 

Ah yes the money lenders will be doing a booming business. 

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, Thailand said:

Same but different.

Just tweaked a little. wink wink 

[JAG]

And trousers about 15 centimetres too long to make them feel taller.
Not only that they are missing part of the uniform. The face mask and dark glasses they wear when they shakedown  motorists.

Mmm, looking at those trousers, do you think the tailor has got the hump over something, and is taking revenge?

[waldroj]

"... Declining to say if the new format would help to solve the issue of officers paying for promotions, the source said the order was obviously aimed at decentralising the administration of the bureau systematically..."

 

Likely to also provide more equitable "wealth-sharing" opportunities for RTP...

 

(Source http://2bangkok.com/page/2)

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, smutcakes said:

They are moving deck chairs around anyone who cannot see that is a complete buffoon.

 

Reforming the police is bordering on impossible for any Government, military or not. They are simply to big, to powerful and know to many dirty secrets of other agencies. (politicians, army etc etc). It works in everyone's favor to do a bit of pushing and shoving from time to time for show. Looks like they are all taking reform seriously but why would any of them actually want to reform! There will only be reform when the public's patience of their ways finally snaps and change is demanded.

 

It may be easier to do under a civilian Government if they are fully supported by the public.

 

People who have different opinions are not buffoons. Those who believe only their opinions have credibility and call others buffoons are though.

 

The current government may well be moving the deck chairs around, but in doing so one or two senior police have been taken out for inappropriate behavior; some moved to the famous "inactive posts" section; and some actually prosecuted and fired. (You can look up your self, before you ask if you are that interested or deny as usual).

 

The Shins made zero attempt to reform the police. Thaksin, Chalerm and other cronies were all ex-Police and very well aware of the reality. But the police, as a generalization, were allies and therefore left alone to their own devices. 

 

Any government, elected or otherwise, can only reform the police as part of an overall justice system reformation. And that would upset too many people in powerful places and unlikely anyone will take that on. So you will have a little tinkering, as now, or nothing at all under any Shin controlled government.

[Becker]

4 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

Thailand has had problems with its police force and judiciary for decades. But the biggest problem is its armed forces who take power whenever they see fit.

Yes, we get that you're not a fan of democracy. You have made that abundantly clear on many occasions.

[Baerboxer]

36 minutes ago, JAG said:

Mmm, looking at those trousers, do you think the tailor has got the hump over something, and is taking revenge?

 

Seems to be the fashion everywhere now. Trousers long so that they create that little bulge above the ankle; and just touch the floor at the heel.

 

Remember when your trousers would hang to half way down the shoe, clear of the ground and no bulge above the foot?

 

If so, your older than I thought! :-)

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Thailand has had problems with its police force and judiciary for decades. But the biggest problem is its armed forces who take power whenever they see fit.

Yes, we get that you're not a fan of democracy. You have made that abundantly clear on many occasions.

 

The problem is you won't get democracy without a robust, independent justice system. You get crooks gaining control and refusing to obey the laws and courts with complicit or tame enforcement - a la Shin.

[Redline]

4 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

Give credit when credit is due (which is not yet).  Results first.  I don't see many real changes.  They have been mostly superficial .  I'm not saying he is not making efforts, but reforms are not deep enough.

[WhizBang]

19 hours ago, sweatalot said:

Be aware it were the shin governments (and their predecessors)  who did not do anything to solve the well known problems Thailand has with its police force

Whatever the "democracy" (in quotes) fans say. This government is the first one which is doing something in the right direction. (Im nit saying they don't make mistakes)

 

Are you serious?   They are doing NOTHING.  Just shuffling the deck, the same old corrupt faces remain.  No progress at all.   In fact, they seem to be going out of their way to make sure it is a big show for all to see, but of essentially zero substance.

 

Until the police and justice system receives a complete top to bottom reform, NOTHING will change in this country.

[KenKadz]

A Pretend Culture....

Police pretend to enforce the law.

Citizens pretend to follow the law.

 

[smutcakes]

52 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

People who have different opinions are not buffoons. Those who believe only their opinions have credibility and call others buffoons are though.

 

The current government may well be moving the deck chairs around, but in doing so one or two senior police have been taken out for inappropriate behavior; some moved to the famous "inactive posts" section; and some actually prosecuted and fired. (You can look up your self, before you ask if you are that interested or deny as usual).

 

The Shins made zero attempt to reform the police. Thaksin, Chalerm and other cronies were all ex-Police and very well aware of the reality. But the police, as a generalization, were allies and therefore left alone to their own devices. 

 

Any government, elected or otherwise, can only reform the police as part of an overall justice system reformation. And that would upset too many people in powerful places and unlikely anyone will take that on. So you will have a little tinkering, as now, or nothing at all under any Shin controlled government.

Did you even read my post? Why are you ranting about the Shins?

I quite clearly said that it is nearly impossible for any Government to reform the police.

 

An overall reform would also see reform of the armed services, and any Government trying that would kiss good by to their position in Government. No point reforming the justice system if you have to leave them a long list of organizations they still cannot touch.

 

The NCPO on carrying out a Coup promised much anticipated reforms, that after all was  one of the justifications for the Coup. Failure to deliver any reform (however small) will quite rightly attract criticism.

[Baerboxer]

24 minutes ago, smutcakes said:

Did you even read my post? Why are you ranting about the Shins?

I quite clearly said that it is nearly impossible for any Government to reform the police.

 

An overall reform would also see reform of the armed services, and any Government trying that would kiss good by to their position in Government. No point reforming the justice system if you have to leave them a long list of organizations they still cannot touch.

 

The NCPO on carrying out a Coup promised much anticipated reforms, that after all was  one of the justifications for the Coup. Failure to deliver any reform (however small) will quite rightly attract criticism.

 

Rant - that isn't anything like a rant. Just pointing out that the political dynasty in charge for most of this century didn't make the slightest effort to reform the police, not even rearrange one deck chair. So they must think the police are fine then.

 

Why so sensitive about any adverse comments on the Shins administrations?

[smutcakes]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Rant - that isn't anything like a rant. Just pointing out that the political dynasty in charge for most of this century didn't make the slightest effort to reform the police, not even rearrange one deck chair. So they must think the police are fine then.

 

Why so sensitive about any adverse comments on the Shins administrations?

Umm because the topic is nothing to do with the Shins? Why pick out the Shins, why not the Dems, the army and every other office holder since 1932?