Australia again denounced for treatment of Aborigines as U.N. investigates

[MadMuhummad]

15 hours ago, nuakmuaynina said:

 

I do actually, have been to Aus many times and have met young aboriginals who are frustrated because no one will give them a job.  

 

How would we know anything of their culture?we have just tried to stamp it out, and done everything to beat them down and break their spirit, over generations, that takes time to fix. 

Ooh ooh I visited a couple of times! You really ace no idea.

my sister worked in aboriginal communities for many years. She stated that the ones that genuinely wanted help compared to those that just abused the system and the people trying to give said help would be 10 to 1.

The amount of money, TIME & RESOURCES given to these communities were mind boggling. But, all people like you do is pay a visit or 2 and get the whole picture. You realise just how big outback Australia is, correct? Let me guess you visited Alice Springs & Uluru?

This is a good one. Families were provided with cars, brand new mid size sedans. What they'd do is drive them until they ran out of fuel and because they didn't want to spend their grog & drug money on fuel (unsniffable obviously) they'd pull over and park them. 

Now you'd think they'd just walk off and leave them yeah? No. These ungrateful pricks would turn them over and burn them out so no one else could use them. They'd then go whinge that they don't have a car and want another. My sis said this was a regular occurrence in her time.

now does this sound like people that 'just need understanding and a hand up'?

I'll let you decide...

[MadMuhummad]

5 hours ago, rodney earl said:

What the hell would they know about them. They have had more money and benefits given to them. And what do they do with it? Most of them keep the outback

hotels in business and the houses that are given to them are wrecked and the Public works has to come and fix them and then they are given back to them to do

it all over again. And when they wreck their houses, they live and drink outside and use the house as their toilets.!!!!!

So true! Cut the doors, door frames and floors out to use for firewood...

[rijb]

21 hours ago, Philthyphil said:

As an Englishman I hang my head in shame for the damage we have caused all over the planet. 

i read recently that the native Australians refer to Australia Day as Invasion day.  We raped their women, we killed their kids, we poisoned their water supply, we stole their land. And this is the result.

 

I was horrified by the recent London attacks, not because of what happened, but for the over the top reporting.

We, along with the Americans and others have been bombing women and children in their homes and even hospitals in the Middle East for years. Killing and maiming women and children.

Most of our attacks on them don't get even get reported, but their is mass media hysteria about one man with a knife.

 

If you go into a country or region dropping government sanctioned bombs on people you have to expect that some will seek revenge. In reality it was only one locally born man armed with a knife. 

I am surprised we don't see more of it. 

How do you feel about the Romans?

[Philthyphil]

18 hours ago, spiderorchid said:

I am an Aussie who before I moved here had his home broken into constantly by aborigines whilst I was doing 12 hour shift work. In saying this, I am not condemning aborigines. They are condemned to petty crime from the time they are born. Their parents are mostly alcoholics and/or drug addicts. They are given a good pension which they choose not to spend on healthy food or decent housing. Many are affected by fuel inhaled gases. Many have brain issues whilst in the foetal stage. Most don't/will not go to school. It is an ongoing generational thing.  I wish there was an easy solution. But the solutions would impinge on their human rights. 

Years ago, young babies were taken away from their drugged and alcoholic mothers. Many of these children became world class athletes, musicians, politicians and more. But the outcry over the "Stolen Generation" will ensure that does not happen again. 

Billions of dollars have been spent on the "Aboriginal Problem". To no avail. The UN is a useless over bloated waste of time. But if someone has a solution, please feel free to add to a debate by good people that has been going on for many decades.

Can you give us the names of the politicians you mention?

[Philthyphil]

4 hours ago, rijb said:

How do you feel about the Romans?

They left. If they were still in England I would have a problem.

[geriatrickid]

On 24 March, 2017 at 3:49 AM, sikishrory said:

Stop giving away all this money in foreign aid and setting refugees up in housing commisions with government payments and start spending it on helping these Australians instead you idiots.

The aborigines receive enough funding. They need to take responsibility for themselves.

The life expectancy of the aborigines before the arrival of the "white man" was in the mid 30's. Disease, famine, violent conflict and  accidental injuries  were the cause of a short life.   It's time that the aborigines took over the provision of their own education, healthcare and  justice. Let them train their own medical professionals and care for themselves. Responsibility is a two way street, What we have now is a forced dependency.

[Grubster]

20 hours ago, nuakmuaynina said:

 

Yes and what did white people do to native Americans? In Canada they forcibly took children from birth and forced them into residential schools, with the prime objective of making them less native, i believe the last one of those shut in the 90s!shameful. In the USA and Canada there is a lot of racism towards them, they have no rights are are forced into reservations, with no jobs or prospects. 

 

That's not to mention the missionaries, or just trying to wipe them out. 

 

Like the Aborigines these problems go back years and won't change overnight..

 

We need to take some responsibility for this, we force them into an alien way of life and did everything we could for hundreds of years to persecute them, if that is your heritage no wonder you become dispossessed, I think it would be hard not to be. 

 

Native Americans have much more opportunity than most white people there, but many if not most refuse to use it. All of our ancestors were displaced forcefully at some point in time and most have tightened up the boot straps and moved forward, some choose to cry about the past forever and play the poor victim.

[giddyup]

6 minutes ago, Grubster said:

Native Americans have much more opportunity than most white people there, but many if not most refuse to use it. All of our ancestors were displaced forcefully at some point in time and most have tightened up the boot straps and moved forward, some choose to cry about the past forever and play the poor victim.

I agree, you still have African Americans crying about slavery.

[Philthyphil]

4 hours ago, MadMuhummad said:

So true! Cut the doors, door frames and floors out to use for firewood...

Rubbish.

99% do nothing of the sort. 

Put up proof if you want to come out with claims.

 

I assume you are English Australian? 

 

The real Australians are doing it tough now because they were overrun by a bunch of immigrants, most who were criminals. 

 

They did fine for tens of thousands of years before we sent our worst down there to take over the place.

[Philthyphil]

9 minutes ago, giddyup said:

I agree, you still have African Americans crying about slavery.

And more recently the English are complaining about Engalnd being over run by immigrants.

Most of who come from the "Commonwealth" countries, who were taken over by England, and as such, now get preference at immigration. 

 

Nobody stops to think why there are so many Pakistanis etc in England now.

 

oh the irony. And the newer English dominated countries are doing everything they can to keep out the immigrants. BUilding walls, detention camps etc 

 

The Thais might take the attitude Som Nam Na

[giddyup]

8 minutes ago, Philthyphil said:

Rubbish.

99% do nothing of the sort. 

Put up proof if you want to come out with claims.

 

I assume you are English Australian? 

 

The real Australians are doing it tough now because they were overrun by a bunch of immigrants, most who were criminals. 

 

They did fine for tens of thousands of years before we sent our worst down there to take over the place.

That was then, this is now. No good crying about the past, the only solution is join the 21st century or perish, there's no alternative. There's no chance of white Australians joining stone age man.

[White Christmas13]

13 minutes ago, Philthyphil said:

Rubbish.

99% do nothing of the sort. 

Put up proof if you want to come out with claims.

 

I assume you are English Australian? 

 

The real Australians are doing it tough now because they were overrun by a bunch of immigrants, most who were criminals. 

 

They did fine for tens of thousands of years before we sent our worst down there to take over the place.

You got no idea what you are talking about I happen to liven near a aboriginal community

in the northern suburbs of Perth( Carabooda ) it has been build a few years back just go

and check it out now houses are completely vandalised no doors or windows which have

been used for firewood come here and check it out for your self before you open your gap

[rijb]

I read that Australia is not real.  

 

http://mashable.com/2017/03/23/australia-isnt-real-facebook-post/#BdsIq0WTluqN

 

[anon4546543]

3 hours ago, Philthyphil said:

Can you give us the names of the politicians you mention?

There are a few aborigines that were from the "stolen generation" who made it to the low life of a politician. One was Senator Kneebone, a former Olympic gold medal hockey player. Another is a liberal senator (current) from West Australia. The first aboriginal politician came from South Australia. Don't ask me to remember their names, I loath all politicians and hardly remember any of their names. I am sure if you google Australian aboriginal politicians, you will find there is a few. Nearly all world class athletes and musicians who happen to be aboriginal are almost exclusively from the "stolen generation"  

[anon4546543]

2 hours ago, Philthyphil said:

Rubbish.

99% do nothing of the sort. 

Put up proof if you want to come out with claims.

 

I assume you are English Australian? 

 

The real Australians are doing it tough now because they were overrun by a bunch of immigrants, most who were criminals. 

 

They did fine for tens of thousands of years before we sent our worst down there to take over the place.

Actually philthyphil, it is you who have no idea what you are posting about. I lived for 25 years in a town called Karratha. The local aborigines would not go to this town because a 150 odd years ago, many of the local aboriginal residents were massacred because a British trooper raped an aboriginal and was speared to death. The Burrup Peninsular had many small coves and small settlements of aborigines were totally slaughtered. 

So now the good social engineers move in aborigines from over 1000 km away. From near Geraldton. Enemies for many thousands of years. The locals are totally affronted. Their base is in the aboriginal town of Roebourne. Here aboriginal houses are built from solid concrete with no windows or doors. Nor do they have much in the way of electrical appliances, cars or furniture. This is because the cars and appliances are sold as soon as they are installed. The aborigines first smashed up the windows and doors because they were now hot houses, this is in a really hot part of Aust. If someone died in a house it was now forbidden to be used as anything other than a toilet. Hundreds of them camp outside the houses. The police are virtually powerless to act because it does no good whatsoever. This happens in 90% of aboriginal townships. Those townships that do make a go of it have laws preventing the sale of alcohol and drugs. They are inhabited by a few old people and kids, because all the youth move to alcohol towns and spend their very generous pensions on grog. You have never seen what I am talking about and you should confirm for yourself before posting silly comment. This poster, spiderorchid actually has sympathy for the plight of aborigines. But you post erroneous bs  

[Baerboxer]

On 3/24/2017 at 6:27 PM, giddyup said:

Silly comment by someone who has no grasp on the real situation. Billions of dollars has been given to help aboriginals, but with little result. As someone else pointed out, sooner or later people have to take responsibility for their own actions and life. Sucking on the welfare teat isn't helping.

 

Steal their land, murder them, rape their women, provide lower education opportunities for their and mixed race children, deny them the full rights offered to citizens. Do this for decades and decades and then spend some money and hope it will be alright?

 

Perhaps they never wanted their ancient way of life, that existed thousands of years and with which they were happy stealing from them and destroyed.

 

Ah, the all knowing Christian White civilizations. The chosen ones. We know best and our way of life is the way. Just look at how fantastic everything is right now. If another war doesn't come along, we'll screw the environment.

 

Australia on the UNHRC would be a joke. But there again others on there already are anyway.

[steven100]

OMG I'm sick and tired of hearing this rubbish.

They talk about the stolen generation ....  well guess what   !!   if they were not relocated into foster care most would have probably starved or been left in a disfunctional family of drunken parents.

And what about the families or institutions that had to put up and adapt with their cultural ways.

 

sick and tired of the Aust'  PC ....  ENOUGH   !!!

[Rampant20]

On 24/03/2017 at 5:19 PM, sikishrory said:

Stop giving away all this money in foreign aid and setting refugees up in housing commisions with government payments and start spending it on helping these Australians instead you idiots.

Yes agreed Australia needs to take care of its own backyard first which it can do and still fulfill its international obligations

[Rampant20]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

OMG I'm sick and tired of hearing this rubbish.

They talk about the stolen generation ....  well guess what   !!   if they were not relocated into foster care most would have probably starved or been left in a disfunctional family of drunken parents.

And what about the families or institutions that had to put up and adapt with their cultural ways.

 

sick and tired of the Aust'  PC ....  ENOUGH   !!!

The thing is here is that you are both right. It's the Government who has the power to make these changes and unify a country that will require ALL its occupants to act on equal levels. No more handouts for anyone who doesn't pull their own weight, whether old or new residents of this country. Recognition for our indigenous history would go a long long way similar to what New Zealand has done. 

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Steal their land, murder them, rape their women, provide lower education opportunities for their and mixed race children, deny them the full rights offered to citizens. Do this for decades and decades and then spend some money and hope it will be alright?

 

Perhaps they never wanted their ancient way of life, that existed thousands of years and with which they were happy stealing from them and destroyed.

 

Ah, the all knowing Christian White civilizations. The chosen ones. We know best and our way of life is the way. Just look at how fantastic everything is right now. If another war doesn't come along, we'll screw the environment.

 

Australia on the UNHRC would be a joke. But there again others on there already are anyway.

Like I said, join the 21st century or perish. No good crying over what happened more than two centuries ago. While you're putting down "white civilisation" you might ponder the fact that the black races (including aboriginals) have been far less compassionate in their subjugation of their fellow man, and that occurs at the present time in Africa, but we don't dare mention that do we, it's not politically correct.

[Ace of Pop]

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[giddyup]

22 hours ago, Philthyphil said:

Rubbish.

99% do nothing of the sort. 

Put up proof if you want to come out with claims.

 

I assume you are English Australian? 

 

The real Australians are doing it tough now because they were overrun by a bunch of immigrants, most who were criminals. 

 

They did fine for tens of thousands of years before we sent our worst down there to take over the place.

The real Australians are doing it tough

 

If you want to see what actually "doing it tough" means have a look at the poor in the Philippines, India and even Thailand, not quite the same as the aborigines who are sitting under a tree playing cards all day, or getting pissed on welfare money, and provided with free housing, education (that they mostly refuse) and free health care.The poor of the countries I mentioned would love to have it as good as the aboriginals.

[Philthyphil]

On 3/25/2017 at 6:21 PM, White Christmas13 said:

You got no idea what you are talking about I happen to liven near a aboriginal community in the northern suburbs of Perth( Carabooda ) it has been build a few years back just go and check it out now houses are completely vandalised no doors or windows which have been used for firewood come here and check it out for your self before you open your gap

Well as a 20 year old I lived with an aboriginal family in Wyndham (if your are from WA you would probably know it )when backpacking in Australia. I was broke  financially and working fruipicking rock melons in kunnannurra and other stuff and a family of aboriginals from Wyndham was also working on the farm. (Cash work they did every year and they didn't tell the govt)

They invited me to their place one weekend and knowing I was broke they let me stay for free and I went to work with them everyday for about six months.

Wyndam is sort of broken up into two towns, where I was had only one other white fella.

The houses were rundown, (they were government owned) but I never saw anyone wrecking their houses for firewood. There were drunks in the town, but I never had problems with anybody.  The town socially seemed to revolve around the basketball court.  The girls were easy, but possessive, a bit like Pattaya bar girls.  The worst experience I had there was a funeral, it was very dramatic.

 

i remember watching an Afl grand final there at the pub between the Hawks and WA Eagles. I backed the Hawks and won two slabs of beer. Interesting times. Because of their generosity I got back on my feet financially.

 

i found the English/Australians very racist towards them and even me for associating with them. 

 

You will probably doubt my story, so feel free to cross examine me about kunnannurra/Wyndham in 1990. I left at the start of the wet season.

 

Maybe your neighbours are more white than aboriginal.

i am sure what you are claiming might have happened in some houses, but take a trip to Wyndham, you won't find it there.

 

The problem with racism is the generalizations, all aborigines steal, all Muslims are suicide bombers, all Thai women are prostitutes, all Aussies make love with sheep etc etc.

 

Everyone is different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Philthyphil]

21 hours ago, spiderorchid said:

There are a few aborigines that were from the "stolen generation" who made it to the low life of a politician. One was Senator Kneebone, a former Olympic gold medal hockey player. Another is a liberal senator (current) from West Australia. The first aboriginal politician came from South Australia. Don't ask me to remember their names, I loath all politicians and hardly remember any of their names. I am sure if you google Australian aboriginal politicians, you will find there is a few. Nearly all world class athletes and musicians who happen to be aboriginal are almost exclusively from the "stolen generation"  

Well the only one you could name, Kneebone, grew up with her biological mother and stepfather. Stolen? No. Calmed to be stolen? no.

But dot let facts get in the way of a good racist story.

[Philthyphil]

21 hours ago, spiderorchid said:

Actually philthyphil, it is you who have no idea what you are posting about. I lived for 25 years in a town called Karratha. The local aborigines would not go to this town because a 150 odd years ago, many of the local aboriginal residents were massacred because a British trooper raped an aboriginal and was speared to death. The Burrup Peninsular had many small coves and small settlements of aborigines were totally slaughtered. 

So now the good social engineers move in aborigines from over 1000 km away. From near Geraldton. Enemies for many thousands of years. The locals are totally affronted. Their base is in the aboriginal town of Roebourne. Here aboriginal houses are built from solid concrete with no windows or doors. Nor do they have much in the way of electrical appliances, cars or furniture. This is because the cars and appliances are sold as soon as they are installed. The aborigines first smashed up the windows and doors because they were now hot houses, this is in a really hot part of Aust. If someone died in a house it was now forbidden to be used as anything other than a toilet. Hundreds of them camp outside the houses. The police are virtually powerless to act because it does no good whatsoever. This happens in 90% of aboriginal townships. Those townships that do make a go of it have laws preventing the sale of alcohol and drugs. They are inhabited by a few old people and kids, because all the youth move to alcohol towns and spend their very generous pensions on grog. You have never seen what I am talking about and you should confirm for yourself before posting silly comment. This poster, spiderorchid actually has sympathy for the plight of aborigines. But you post erroneous bs  

Sounds like the English/Australians caused the problems you are talking about.

First a rape, then a massacre and then a forced removal.

i remember seeing a couple of documentaries from a famous asussie doco maker. 

He summed it up well. 

Who is selling the alcohol? White people?

[giddyup]

25 minutes ago, Philthyphil said:

Sounds like the English/Australians caused the problems you are talking about.

First a rape, then a massacre and then a forced removal.

i remember seeing a couple of documentaries from a famous asussie doco maker. 

He summed it up well. 

Who is selling the alcohol? White people?

If we denied them alcohol as was done in the 50's we would be called racist. You realise an aboriginal can buy alcohol at a bar or pub the same as anyone else? Do you want to blame the white man for their abuse of it?

[Grubster]

49 minutes ago, Philthyphil said:

Well as a 20 year old I lived with an aboriginal family in Wyndham (if your are from WA you would probably know it )when backpacking in Australia. I was broke financially and working fruipicking rock melons in kunnannurra and other stuff and a family of aboriginals from Wyndham was also working on the farm. (Cash work they did every year and they didn't tell the govt)

They invited me to their place one weekend and knowing I was broke they let me stay for free and I went to work with them everyday for about six months.

Wyndam is sort of broken up into two towns, where I was had only one other white fella.

The houses were rundown, (they were government owned) but I never saw anyone wrecking their houses for firewood.

There were drunks in the town, but I never had problems with anybody.

The town socially seemed to revolve around the basketball court.

The girls were easy, but possessive, a bit like Pattaya bar girls.

The worst experience I had there was a funeral, it was very dramatic.

 

i remember watching an Afl grand final there at the pub between the Hawks and WA Eagles. I backed the Hawks and won two slabs of beer.

Interesting times. Because of their generosity I got back on my feet financially.

 

i found the English/Australians very racist towards them and even me for associating with them. 

 

You will probably doubt my story, so feel free to cross examine me about kunnannurra/Wyndham in 1990. I left at the start of the wet season.

 

Maybe your neighbours are more white than aboriginal.

i am sure what you are claiming might have happened in some houses, but take a trip to Wyndham, you won't find it there.

 

The problem with racism is the generalizations, all aborigines steal, all Muslims are suicide bombers, all Thai women are prostitutes, all Aussies make love with sheep etc etc

Everyone is different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes so people should just get on with life and stop blaming their past problems for their current failures. And we should stop giving a crutch for a leg that would heal better without it.

[ripstanley]

53 minutes ago, Philthyphil said:

Well the only one you could name, Kneebone, grew up with her biological mother and stepfather. Stolen? No. Calmed to be stolen? no.

But dot let facts get in the way of a good racist story.

Novis Peris was the Labor Senator from the NT. She was married to Sean Kneebone from 1995 to  2001

 

https://www.google.com.au/#q=peris+nova&*

[ongot]

I worked on a barge in the top end for 11 years delivering all there goods the only way they can get anything as there are no roads . The freight we delivered by the time we shipped it would have been 200 percent more expensive than Darwin . The food was not what you would call nutritional mainly pallets of coke and meat pies . Met quite a few of the elders at these communities there ok it's the young ones with all hang ups and chips on there shoulders hard one to sort out but every human being black white what ever colour must take responsibility for your own actions handouts from the dumb ass Aussie government will never work. Some of these communities are in untouched pristine environments . No good dwelling on what happened some time ago. Sure respect what happened to them and it has been acknowledged iam sick of people with race issues we are all human the local people's of this magnificent area have more than they realize.

[Scott]

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