Country needs long-term military supervision, says Prawit

[stickyrice2000]

What would happened if the so called "good persons" became bad?  Or the next military persons in control are the rotten apples?  

[stephen tracy]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

I am not against long term planning as it is often lacking because governments don't want to implement things that cost money now and only pay off in the future (if longer as their term) Because this does not help them to stay in power.. spending money while there is nothing to show for it during their term. Especially in Thailand something like that would be useful.. how many times have we seen Thailand wants to be the hub off.. (fill in the flavor of the day). A bit more real planning would be good.. so in theory it would be good but in reality it has too much power (too much military vs politicians) and I doubt its aimed at helping the country forward.. but just helping themselves at some of the corruption money otherwise destined for the politicians. 

Not to mention that they uniquely unqualified to run anything, let a lone a country.  I'd advise them to go back to being soldiers but they're not even real soldiers. Never seen a battlefield, and wouldn't know what to do if they did.  Would anyone here follow Prayut or Prawit into a battle?  Even with their "new", "second-hand", "cheap" Chinese subs?

[stephen tracy]

52 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes it is.

A lot worse

[stephen tracy]

2 hours ago, hansnl said:

The richt don't want to give an inch?

It is very simple.

It is the same in your and my country.

And to be able to do so, democracy is misused, threats are made, big business can do what it wants to do, justice is raped, etc.

And in some countries the police or the armed forces are used.

Openly or covered.

And any give the not rich will ever get is purely cosmetic.

Same everywhere.

In my country of birth you don't get locked away for attitude adjustment for voicing and opinion or pressing 'like' on Facebook.

[MrJohnson]

The military have always been in control - ever since 1932 anyway. All the rest is a facade.

[stephen tracy]

1 hour ago, Revolutionary said:

The army is no worse than any of the previous governments over the last 10 years. At least the streets are not blocked off by demonstrators, the airport is open and no more barricades and violence on the streets. 

I expect it's just a matter of time before people take to the streets to get rid of the army.  People anywhere will only take so much. It may take a long time but it's inevitable.  Look at the Middle East.

[janclaes47]

1 hour ago, Revolutionary said:

The army is no worse than any of the previous governments over the last 10 years. At least the streets are not blocked off by demonstrators, the airport is open and no more barricades and violence on the streets. 

 

Lets hope the streets don't get blocked, because last 2 times this happened with the army in control, they just shot and killed loads of them and they have never been found.

[debate101]

2 hours ago, Revolutionary said:

The army is no worse than any of the previous governments over the last 10 years. At least the streets are not blocked off by demonstrators, the airport is open and no more barricades and violence on the streets. 

It isn't just a difference of policies or opinions implemented with the same hare-brained incompetence. This is a fundamentally different way of organizing and governing a country. Their policies are pro-elite, sure, which can be said of a lot of countries' governments, but their ideal is to suppress and repress increasingly and indefinitely. Individuals are not encouraged to develop themselves and their society but are instead discouraged in order to keep them down. Under such circumstances, society does not develop and remains perpetually mired in intolerance, ignorance, superstition, low health and educational attainment, etc... Look at wider Chinese and Russian society, for example, as opposed to Japan or Hong Kong.

Edited April 25, 2017 by debate101

[Baerboxer]

23 hours ago, jaltsc said:

"...it is necessary to have military commanders oversee a long-term national strategy..."

 

Who said the above quote?:

1) Hitler

2) Stalin

3) Mussolini

4) All of the above, plus every dictator who wanted to stay in power, knowing that they would never win a popular election.

 

 

Actually I don't think any of the 3 you mention said that. None of them got on well with their military which they sort to dominate politically. Hitler had Goering command the air force, marginalized the Navy (big mistake) and used developed the SS and Waffen-SS under Himmler to rival the regular army. Stalin purged the army officer cadre before WW11 and his army suffered because of it. Political officers were placed in all army units to ensure control and professional senior officers who performed well in WW11 were often punished as a "reward" thanks to Stalin's paranoia. Mussolini never really managed to get control of the military for very long. 

 

Here it's very different. It is the former generals who control politics. Sadly evolving more like a bunch of Greek colonels or South American military Juntas.

[Roadman]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Yes it is.

No its not....we could play that all night and day. But depends how you measure it...is it bodies being heaped up at the hands of Thaksins thugs and the Army and Bangkok at a stand still...or is it incompetence but good intent by a military government, or endless milking the country for the benefit of the Shinawatras and their cronies all the time while the poor still remain poor in a reasonably wealthy country. 

 

As for the actual article totally agree with the stance of the Junta. Every time they coup and then hand power back to the politicians the scumbag politicians are within short time back to enriching themselves and their cronies at the expense of the country. So a long term solution is required. And as usual the ignorant posters on here comment without researching or understanding what is being proposed. It is a committee with a 20 year strategy working in conjunction with an elected government. Five only are military being the heads of the army, navy, air force, the permanent secretary for defense and the Supreme Commander. These five are already out numbered by 12 so far identified other nominees from the PM, deputy PM or their nominee, House and Senate speaker,  and several other from boards of the likes of Tourism, Banks, Trades, Industries etc. That committee will review every five years and recommended changes will have to go through Parliament. 

 

Regardless the country has tried both short term options of elected governments and army juntas and they constantly fail so this time around applying a long term process where business, army and politicians all have input would seem more logical than the ridiculous merry go round process that has bound Thailand for the last century.  

[WhizBang]

This country would be SOOOOO much better off if the military would stay the hell out of politics.

 

For that matter, this could would be much better off if this lot were disbanded completely.   No one would even know the difference, except for the lack of coups every 5 years or so.

[WhizBang]

18 hours ago, Revolutionary said:

The army is no worse than any of the previous governments over the last 10 years. At least the streets are not blocked off by demonstrators, the airport is open and no more barricades and violence on the streets. 

 

Except the good citizens of Thailand CANNOT vote the military out of office.

[stephen tracy]

37 minutes ago, Roadman said:

No its not....we could play that all night and day. But depends how you measure it...is it bodies being heaped up at the hands of Thaksins thugs and the Army and Bangkok at a stand still...or is it incompetence but good intent by a military government, or endless milking the country for the benefit of the Shinawatras and their cronies all the time while the poor still remain poor in a reasonably wealthy country. 

 

As for the actual article totally agree with the stance of the Junta. Every time they coup and then hand power back to the politicians the scumbag politicians are within short time back to enriching themselves and their cronies at the expense of the country. So a long term solution is required. And as usual the ignorant posters on here comment without researching or understanding what is being proposed. It is a committee with a 20 year strategy working in conjunction with an elected government. Five only are military being the heads of the army, navy, air force, the permanent secretary for defense and the Supreme Commander. These five are already out numbered by 12 so far identified other nominees from the PM, deputy PM or their nominee, House and Senate speaker,  and several other from boards of the likes of Tourism, Banks, Trades, Industries etc. That committee will review every five years and recommended changes will have to go through Parliament. 

 

Regardless the country has tried both short term options of elected governments and army juntas and they constantly fail so this time around applying a long term process where business, army and politicians all have input would seem more logical than the ridiculous merry go round process that has bound Thailand for the last century.  

An interesting point, but once you make free speech a crime, you have lost all credibility and are thus unfit to be involved in any way in determining the future of a nation state.   

[yardrunner]

On 4/24/2017 at 3:56 PM, colinneil said:

You cannot be serious man.

unfortunately he is being serious

[Becker]

3 hours ago, stickyrice2000 said:

What would happened if the so called "good persons" became bad?  Or the next military persons in control are the rotten apples?  

Who said the present junta members aren't rotten apples?

[55Jay]

BING BONG:  "Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain.  We are now cruising on auto-pilot at 36,000', weather ahead looks fine, should be a smooth flight all the way to Happiness.  I'm going to keep the mandatory seat belt and gag order signs on in case any of you get any bright ideas, but otherwise, we invite you to sit back, relax, don't tink too mutt, and enjoy the flight."

Edited April 25, 2017 by 55Jay

[candide]

1 hour ago, Roadman said:

No its not....we could play that all night and day. But depends how you measure it...is it bodies being heaped up at the hands of Thaksins thugs and the Army and Bangkok at a stand still...or is it incompetence but good intent by a military government, or endless milking the country for the benefit of the Shinawatras and their cronies all the time while the poor still remain poor in a reasonably wealthy country. 

 

As for the actual article totally agree with the stance of the Junta. Every time they coup and then hand power back to the politicians the scumbag politicians are within short time back to enriching themselves and their cronies at the expense of the country. So a long term solution is required. And as usual the ignorant posters on here comment without researching or understanding what is being proposed. It is a committee with a 20 year strategy working in conjunction with an elected government. Five only are military being the heads of the army, navy, air force, the permanent secretary for defense and the Supreme Commander. These five are already out numbered by 12 so far identified other nominees from the PM, deputy PM or their nominee, House and Senate speaker,  and several other from boards of the likes of Tourism, Banks, Trades, Industries etc. That committee will review every five years and recommended changes will have to go through Parliament. 

 

Regardless the country has tried both short term options of elected governments and army juntas and they constantly fail so this time around applying a long term process where business, army and politicians all have input would seem more logical than the ridiculous merry go round process that has bound Thailand for the last century.  

You implicitly assume that other members of the national security will not share the same political stance as the army members. Actually, out of 17 members, only three can stem from elections (PM, Deputy PM, House Speaker), the others are appointed. And in Thailand, we know what is the usual political colour of appointed people. So 5 army representative, you can add the speaker of the puppet Senate, that's 6, you can add the national police chief which has been appointed by the Junta, that's 7, the secretary general of the national security council, hmmm... and then representatives of different professional associations, just to say that they often sided with Suthep in 2014....

 

About the application of the startegy, Wissanu was very clear: "if state agencies fail to comply despite warnings, the National Anti-Corruption Commission will be asked to take action against the chiefs of those agencies" "This plan is deemed to take precedence over all others. It is binding on all agencies"

[Aj Mick]

The country has had 85 years of military supervision…… The song remains the same.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

On 4/24/2017 at 3:39 PM, darksidedog said:

He basically is saying that while he and his army buddies may allow some form of elections at some point, that surprise, surprise, he will not be letting go of the power.

 

 

Yes, and I hope that the International community fully understands that too, although it has been quite obviously the case for some time now.  Like the Thai referendum, the election will therefore be a meaningless exercise but it will look good and claimed to be a step forward to democracy ONLY by those already in power. 

[lvr181]

On 4/24/2017 at 8:37 PM, hanuman2543 said:

The biggest misunderstanding is that the army will solve any of the social and political problems of Thailand. Bye Bye democracy for a long time. Hello Computer Crime Act, Defamation Laws,Thai Penal Code, Sec 112 and Article 44 the pillars of democracy, freedom of speech and human rights.

"........democracy, freedom of speech and human rights." What are those?

 

Despite what the military authority tells everyone (their own citizens and the world), having taken power from the monarchy many years ago the military are not about to give up their power to Thai citizens!  

Another 600 years will go by and Thailand will further sink into being a third or fourth world country because of the greed of a few.