British Dad Applying for passport for half-Thai Son

[SICA]

Hi all,

 

apologies if this appears in the wrong forum, i'm a bit lost with all of this. I hope that somebody may be able to give me some advice......

I am looking to apply for a passport for my 6 month old baby boy, but i'm a bit lost - d'uh! I know how to apply for the passport but is there anything else that i need to do to register him as a Brit? Do i even need to register him as a Brit? His older brother (yes, my other son) is 5 and a half and has both British and Thai passports but i can't for the life of me remember how i did this! Is it just as simple as applying for this passport for my youngest?

 

EDIT - i should have said that I and his mother have been married 6 years - if that makes a difference?!

If anybody has any recent experience or knows this system and would like to share i'd be extremely grateful.

 

Many thanks in advance

[richard_smith237]

I did this 3 years ago... 

 

I remember needing:

1) Colour photo copies of every page of my Passport. 

2) Colour photo copies of every page of my Wife's Passport (OR Original ID card).

3) Father Full British Birth Certificate

4) Photos of the child, 'True likeness' signed by a 'professional'...  (Childs Dr or Amphur office). 

5) Childs Thai Birth Certificate and Translation certified by Thai MFA (Ministry of foreign affairs). 

 

That info is off the top of my head and may have changed or be incomplete.

 

 

 

 

 

[happylarry]

Silly question I am sure but have you actually looked on the Embassy web site?

HL

[SICA]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I did this 3 years ago... 

 

I remember needing:

1) Colour photo copies of every page of my Passport. 

2) Colour photo copies of every page of my Wife's Passport (OR Original ID card).

3) Father Full British Birth Certificate

4) Photos of the child, 'True likeness' signed by a 'professional'...  (Childs Dr or Amphur office). 

5) Childs Thai Birth Certificate and Translation certified by Thai MFA (Ministry of foreign affairs). 

 

That info is off the top of my head and may have changed or be incomplete.

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks Mr. Smith. This does all ring bells and i have all of the above. 

Do you remember if you had to apply for British citizenship for your child before applying for the passport or did you just apply??

[SICA]

5 minutes ago, happylarry said:

Silly question I am sure but have you actually looked on the Embassy web site?

HL

I have but in all honesty, i'm baffled!

 

My biggest confusion is if i need to apply for my youngest to be a British citizen before applying for the passport.....

[richard_smith237]

16 minutes ago, SICA said:

I have but in all honesty, i'm baffled!

 

My biggest confusion is if i need to apply for my youngest to be a British citizen before applying for the passport.....

 

If you were born in the UK your youngest automatically is a British Citizen. If I'm not mistaken there is no application for this. His passport, once received will also be proof of Nationality (Citizenship).

 

If I'm not mistaken, your 'full' Birth Certificate, and your name on your sons Birth Certificate are proof of his British Citizenship.

 

 

NOTE: the Foreign office Website is not always up to date with the information. When I applied for my Son's Passport, I was informed of the new requirement to have a 'Colour' photocopy of all pages of mine and my Wife's passport - This had not been updated on their Website and I only had Black and White copies... this delayed the application. 

[SICA]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If you were born in the UK your youngest automatically is a British Citizen. If I'm not mistaken there is no application for this. His passport will be proof of Nationality (Citizenship).

 

If I'm not mistaken, your 'full' Birth Certificate, and your name on your sons Birth Certificate are proof of his British Citizenship.

 

 

NOTE: the Foreign office Website is not always up to date with the information. When I applied for my Son's Passport, I was informed of the new requirement to have a 'Colour' photocopy of all pages of mine and my Wife's passport - This had not been updated on their Website and I only had Black and White copies... this delayed the application. 

Thanks again. That makes sense. You should offer your services to update the FCO site!

I think i'm on the right track now, but i'm sure there'll be a few more speed bumps on the way.... 

Have a great day and thank you once more.

[happylarry]

I can confirm that, just spoken to my son who has done it for his son and you just apply for the passport.

HL

[SICA]

18 hours ago, happylarry said:

I can confirm that, just spoken to my son who has done it for his son and you just apply for the passport.

HL

Thank you, Larry. Stay happy :)

 

[SICA]

Does anybody know where i might find a list of the required documents to submit with my application?? Have tried looking online and can't seem to find out post-2014!

 

Thanks again....

 

No Problem, found it. For anbody else's future reference, this is what i found

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/564959/OS_Guidance_G3_10.16.pdf

[nickcar]

 May I ask if current passport means a passport that has not yet expired? My British passport expired time 10 or 11 years ago as I now use my New Zealand passport most of the time   

[mfharrison]

Just apply for the passport with all certificates and copies mentioned in the guidelines. I recently applied for my 4 month old son and was rejected as I was born outside the UK myself. If you were born in the UK or your wife and you were married at the time of birth then your son is British by descent. Unfortunately in my case I am British by descent even though I lived in the UK for 25years or my 33 and I cannot pass it on to my son without going through the full citizenship application. 

A side note if you decide to take your family back to the UK before they are 18 and they live continuously for 3years plus you can register them as full citizens and then they will be allowed to pass on British citizenship if they have a child outside of the UK in the future and they won't end up in my situation.

[jamie2009]

I applied and got one for my half Thai son in February this year, we are not married, I didn't need too photocopy every page of my UK Passport, I submitted his Mothers Thai ID.

All documents including her ID have to be in English by a certified translator, the average cost can be up to 500 baht per A4 document, I got mine done in Bangkok via email for less, 9 documents, 2450 baht including postage.

This agent lists all the documents required, quite a few more than others have listed,

https://www.keyvisathailand.com/services/babies-first-uk-passport/

I completed the Application and it was checked and sent to the UK by VFS Global at Trendy in Bangkok.

i got an email a couple of days later from Liverpool, his Mother should have signed the Application, She had too write a letter signed by her stating she was the 'responsible' person and agreed to the Application, we did and the Passport arrived a couple of weeks later, you have to collect it, they won't post it.

BTW photocopy all your translations as they don't send the documents back just in case you need them for Visa Applications etc.

it was strange as a colleague signed his half Thai sons Application and the Passport Office didn't query it, maybe because his son had an English name ?

i can understand why they do it to stop child abduction.

[jbatch83]

HI Sica 

 

I have just applied for my sons passport last tuesday at the Trendy building soi 13 Sukhumvit.

 

You need to book an appointment at the trendy building 

 Give 3 different days and 3 different times 

https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

 

you will need

 

1) Colour photocopies of every page of your  Passport. 

2) Colour photocopies of every page of my Wife's Passport (OR Original ID card). Blue book translated in english to show yours sons address.

3) Father Full British Birth Certificate- https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

4) 2 Photos of the child, ( only 1 needs be signed ) The counter signature can be done by a british citizen who has known you for over 2 years ( it does not need to be a professional body  as you are the person filling out the form on behalf of your son 

5) Childs Thai Birth Certificate and Translation certified 

6) color copies of marriage certificates,wife name change certificate. and english translations certified 

 

Translation can be done in the trendy building but it's not cheap, I think I paid 5000 for the blue book and married certs.But they were done on the day prior to the appointment 

 

the whole process takes less than 15 minutes 

 

the price is 76.01 GBP and it will be DHL back to you.

 

 

OS_Form_010.pdf

OS_Guidance_Notes_09.15.pdf

OS_Payment__Instruction_07.13.pdf

[jamie2009]

1 minute ago, jbatch83 said:

HI Sica 

 

I have just applied for my sons passport last tuesday at the Trendy building soi 13 Sukhumvit.

 

You need to book an appointment at the trendy building 

 Give 3 different days and 3 different times 

https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

 

you will need

 

1) Colour photocopies of every page of your  Passport. 

2) Colour photocopies of every page of my Wife's Passport (OR Original ID card). Blue book translated in english to show yours sons address.

3) Father Full British Birth Certificate- https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

4) 2 Photos of the child, ( only 1 needs be signed ) The counter signature can be done by a british citizen who has known you for over 2 years ( it does not need to be a professional body  as you are the person filling out the form on behalf of your son 

5) Childs Thai Birth Certificate and Translation certified 

6) color copies of marriage certificates,wife name change certificate. and english translations certified 

 

Translation can be done in the trendy building but it's not cheap, I think I paid 5000 for the blue book and married certs.But they were done on the day prior to the appointment 

 

the whole process takes less than 15 minutes 

 

the price is 76.01 GBP and it will be DHL back to you.

 

 

OS_Form_010.pdf

OS_Guidance_Notes_09.15.pdf

OS_Payment__Instruction_07.13.pdf

They must have changed the rules in the last few weeks as they never mailed UK Passports in the past, too many went 'astray'. You had too collect them or give some one a letter of Authorisation to collect it, I collected my sons.

You only need to photocopy every page of your Passport if you are renewing your UK Passport, just the photo page which must be in colour for your child's application.

[StevieAus]

There is an organisation in Pattaya that advertises on this website  (owner Daryl is English) that will do the application and collection for you.

We used them last year for our daughters passport I found the fee reasonable as it saved two trips to Bangkok as you have to apply in person and pick up in person involving air fares and overnight accommodation ( unless you use an agent)

[jamie2009]

2 hours ago, StevieAus said:

There is an organisation in Pattaya that advertises on this website  (owner Daryl is English) that will do the application and collection for you.

We used them last year for our daughters passport I found the fee reasonable as it saved two trips to Bangkok as you have to apply in person and pick up in person involving air fares and overnight accommodation ( unless you use an agent)

Fee is 10000 baht.

[misterphil]

6 hours ago, jamie2009 said:

They must have changed the rules in the last few weeks as they never mailed UK Passports in the past, too many went 'astray'. You had too collect them or give some one a letter of Authorisation to collect it, I collected my sons.

You only need to photocopy every page of your Passport if you are renewing your UK Passport, just the photo page which must be in colour for your child's application.

Your correct. You have to collect your passport, they do not post it or DHL it back to you. We just applied for our sons British passport and my wife was told she would have to return to collect it. 

 

"Passport fee

The passport fee when applying from outside the UK depends on the type of application you are making. The fee is set in pounds sterling and payable at the time of applying.

In some countries where you have to apply in person, the courier fee will cover the cost of forwarding your application to the UK for processing and the cost of returning the new passport to a local office, for you to collect. "

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Your case sounds straight forward. I would advise though if his birth certificate is a Thai one, best to get a translation done. If you have already got him a British birth certificate just use that and all should be okay.

UK immigration law changed in about 2011 so it is fairly easy now.

 

[jamie2009]

21 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Your case sounds straight forward. I would advise though if his birth certificate is a Thai one, best to get a translation done. If you have already got him a British birth certificate just use that and all should be okay.

UK immigration law changed in about 2011 so it is fairly easy now.

 

All documents have to be in English.

[Fulwell53]

So let me get this straight.

People have left the uk to come and live in another country, marry one of the natives, bash out a couple of bairns and now want their sprogs to be eligible to live in the country they left.

Sounds like a scam to me.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

12 hours ago, Fulwell53 said:

So let me get this straight.

People have left the uk to come and live in another country, marry one of the natives, bash out a couple of bairns and now want their sprogs to be eligible to live in the country they left.

Sounds like a scam to me.

Not a "scam" just gives the child more options. Thai education is very poor for instance. International schools are expensive, I know I paid the bills. When he was old enough I packed him off the boarding school which didn't cost much more. Now he works in the UK and says he will come here on holiday on his British passport as he doesn't want to get drafted into the Thai forces.

[brewsterbudgen]

So let me get this straight.
People have left the uk to come and live in another country, marry one of the natives, bash out a couple of bairns and now want their sprogs to be eligible to live in the country they left.
Sounds like a scam to me.

Not at all. I might be living and working in Thailand, but I have no desire to be Thai and most definitely want my son to be British, which, at 2 years old, he now is!

[SICA]

Thanks all. I think i have everything sorted now. Have an appointment at Trendy on Thursday morning and, fingers crossed, i have all my ducks in a row!

 

Got all the Thai documents translated, passport photos signed by a friend (teacher) so hopefully have everything done!

Thanks again for all of your help, people. have a great day!

[fabman5]

Can someone please just confirm something for me.

 

I am just applying for my half Thai half English daughters first  British passport.

 

Do i need to get her mothers ID card translated ? Do i need a copy of her mothers  birth certificate as well and translated.

 

When we go to England eventually ( to see family ) does her mother have to write a letter agreeing to let my daughter leave the country ?  ( we are not together anymore but i don't think this will be a problem )

 

Thanks for any advice

[fabman5]

31 minutes ago, fabman5 said:

Can someone please just confirm something for me.

 

I am just applying for my half Thai half English daughters first  British passport.

 

Do i need to get her mothers ID card translated ? (She dosent have a passport) Do i need a copy of her mothers  birth certificate as well and translated.

 

When we go to England eventually ( to see family ) does her mother have to write a letter agreeing to let my daughter leave the country ?  ( we are not together anymore but i don't think this will be a problem )

 

Thanks for any advice

 

[Pat in Pattaya]

Ok

[happylarry]

On 4/2/2018 at 4:03 PM, fabman5 said:

 

You have to go to the amphur wiith the mother and the amphur officer will write the letter which the mother needs to sign. This official letter is what imigration will want to see.

HL

[squathub]

Its 2018 do I really need my Birth certificate?

[NanLaew]

48 minutes ago, squathub said:

Its 2018 do I really need my Birth certificate?

Yes. The long form version with both your parents named.