Learning To Avoid Confrontation with Stray Dogs

[The manic]

On 09/05/2017 at 2:14 PM, howard ashoul said:

What's wrong with you? In 5 years I was never attacked by a dog. And I never saw anybody get attacked by dog.

 

And some of you got bitten 3 times? And carrying weapons? Maybe problem isn't in dogs, but in you. If dogs were really so dangerous as described, how could any thai reach 20 years old? How is that, that thais aren't all dead, if their living in this dangerous eviroment all their life? 

 

Just treat dogs as thais. Whenever dogs aproach them they will scream at them to get lost and raise their hand. Works 100% even for me. Don't run like a pussy. And don't act like lost tourist who are scared shittles. Stand your ground. Works everytime.

I was attacked in Soi Cosy Beach. My friend was savaged in Nong Khai.  children are  scarred for life.

[David Walden]

On 5/9/2017 at 1:12 PM, imagemaestro said:

As a daily walker attacked by stray and "owned" soi dogs I have ceased being "Mister Nice Guy years go.

I love dogs.. I have several well behaved, trained and secured as pets.

I am regularly  attacked when out walking and I respond with a large heavy pick handle which I carry.  Stage one to drive off the attacking dogs,  Stage two to strike, stun or inflict pain to discourage...

Stage Three to strike hard enough and accurately to collapse the brain casing at the rear of the dogs head causing almost immediate death.

I gain neither pleasure or bravado from this.  I have just made a clear decision I will not be bitten again after the third session at hospital and rabies shots.

Since the culture and social behaviour in this country allows these dogs to be loose and attack me constantly and local and police authorities (or the owners) will do nothing then I take reasonable measures to defend myself.

The use of deadly force in extremis for self defence.

And yes I have on two occasions in the last thirty years.  It took me weeks to overcome the trauma of what I had been forced to do.

And spare me any stories about angry Thais coming after me with guns or knives seeking revenge for dead 
"fido".  

I have a similar problem in Cha-am.  For 42 years of my past in Australia I have everday started it off by walking at least 6 km.  I come to Cha-am usually 3 months on/off at a time, I do the walk here.  I am not frightened by dogs.  Most tourists to Cha-am who like to walk in the morning usually give up after the 1st day.  The local street vendors think it is funny when one or two of the hundreds or so stray dogs around Cha-am try to attack tourists.  Each morning at least one dog tries to attack me so my standard attire includes a nice thick piece bamboo sharpened at one end about 5ft long and usually 3 or 4 good sized rocks in a pocket.  I must admit that I put on a bit of an act to try to get the locals aware of this situation to no avail...recently one of the street vendors made it clear to me that if I feed the dogs they will not attack.  I wouldn't risk it even with a 40  barge pole.  When several dogs come at me as they usually do I give the stick a good banging on the ground or wack a dog.  So far I have not had to bash any dogs brains in as they approach but there is still time.  Sofar I have managed not to get bitten.  I'm not keen about paying the Bt 5000 for rabies injections that seem to a good money spinner for Cha-am hospital.  I believe the local monks and local Government do not believe killing anything especially animals you don't eat (maybe)?  TIT

Edited November 5, 2017 by David Walden

[David Walden]

On 5/9/2017 at 2:14 PM, howard ashoul said:

What's wrong with you? In 5 years I was never attacked by a dog. And I never saw anybody get attacked by dog.

 

And some of you got bitten 3 times? And carrying weapons? Maybe problem isn't in dogs, but in you. If dogs were really so dangerous as described, how could any thai reach 20 years old? How is that, that thais aren't all dead, if their living in this dangerous eviroment all their life? 

 

Just treat dogs as thais. Whenever dogs aproach them they will scream at them to get lost and raise their hand. Works 100% even for me. Don't run like a pussy. And don't act like lost tourist who are scared shittles. Stand your ground. Works everytime.

Complete BS.  I'm sure you have never been for a walk along the beach at Cha-am or any other place.  Mongrel dogs everywhere.

[David Walden]

On 5/9/2017 at 2:38 PM, Suradit69 said:

And then you're producing poison laden dead dogs as well as leaving poison about, all of which may be ingested by well-behaved pet animals or wildlife or come into contact with children. 

 

The problem of irresponsible dog owners isn't solved by irresponsible use of lethal chemicals.

 

 

There are no irresponsible dog owners in Thailand only dogs with no owners at all where I stay. (Cha-am)

[David Walden]

On 5/9/2017 at 5:35 PM, possum1931 said:

These dogs in the picture look very happy, look at the one which is part golden labrador at the far right. It looks like it wants to lick someones face.

Yes well I think we should leave to you to do the testing of these mongrel dogs in Thailand.  By all means just let them lick you face I'll just leave it up to you. 

Edited November 5, 2017 by David Walden

[David Walden]

On 5/10/2017 at 9:30 AM, bandito said:

Where I live is a large lake in a park with a road arond it.

Everyday people are, me included, jogging or walking around the lake.

 There are living in the park, I guess, about 30 to 50 dogs.

What totally amazes me is that none of these dogs growl, bite or attack people.

They don't even look at people jogging.

Sometimes I have to step over one or walk around one and the dog could'nt care less.

I don't understand this as all of them are strays.

Any ideas someone?

Yes if people stop feeding them then they will try to eat you ...figures

[David Walden]

On 5/10/2017 at 3:53 PM, ed strong said:

Dogs will attack weak energy i.e nervous or anxious people will actually make themselves a victim

So is that OK?

[David Walden]

On 5/10/2017 at 4:27 PM, bangkokairportlink said:

 

Yes I am a magician.

 

But read a bit more and you will understand how wrong you are.

 

I am not the only one to be able to manage dogs and women.

 

 

I good at managing Soi dogs in Thailand, a good size stick and a pocket full of rocks...that's the way

[David Walden]

On 5/10/2017 at 5:10 PM, sandemara said:

If you are in an isolated area and suffer any wound that breaks your skin from a dog bite, and you suspect the animal had rabies, wash the damaged area thoroughly as soon as possible with ordinary non-perfumed (ie, plain laundry)  soap. A thorough washing should be enough to remove any threat of infection.  The virus does not survive very well in the open air, but for your own safety seek medical attention as soon as you can after washing.

The only thing Doctors in Thailand will recommend is a Bt5000 rabies injection...My god how the money rolls in rolls in my god how the money roll in...used to be a verse from a dirty ditty about Ladies of the night

[geriatrickid]

It is quite obvious that someone is demonstrating violent tendencies with the threats of stabbing a dog, or throwing stones or bashing in a dog's brains. A sane and non violent person does not undertake such a rant. I don't know if it is for attention, or if it is displaced aggression or a manifestation of a violent predisposition. All I can say is that if I ever come across someone intentionally inflicting  harm to another living creature, I will intervene as will the Thais I know.

Doing such harm to an animal, even a stray can result in serious legal consequences and public shaming in  social media. All it takes is a picture and a facebook post. One saw what happened in Pattaya to the cowardly  Australian with dyed hair and a machete who attacked the Thai  and who then tried to lie about the event. He was pilloried in public  and now has some expensive consequences.  Think before doing something foolish as the consequences could be serious legal problems, physical harm or even death.

 

 

[David Walden]

10 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

It is quite obvious that someone is demonstrating violent tendencies with the threats of stabbing a dog, or throwing stones or bashing in a dog's brains. A sane and non violent person does not undertake such a rant. I don't know if it is for attention, or if it is displaced aggression or a manifestation of a violent predisposition. All I can say is that if I ever come across someone intentionally inflicting  harm to another living creature, I will intervene as will the Thais I know.

Doing such harm to an animal, even a stray can result in serious legal consequences and public shaming in  social media. All it takes is a picture and a facebook post. One saw what happened in Pattaya to the cowardly  Australian with dyed hair and a machete who attacked the Thai  and who then tried to lie about the event. He was pilloried in public  and now has some expensive consequences.  Think before doing something foolish as the consequences could be serious legal problems, physical harm or even death.

 

 

You maybe surprised but I'm a committed dog lover.  When you are a dog lover you train them, keep them free of lice, flees, wounds, rabies and being attacked by other dogs.  You contain them and keep them free of predators, you provide protection from the elements and each day you let them lick your face and you regard this as a blessing.  You revel in the experience that each day they do many funny things that make you laugh, a good belly laugh at least 6 times a day that most likely extends your life.  As they say laughter is the best medicine, a beautiful, clean and happy dog will provide much of the best things in life.  Dogs have to have discipline.

You might not believe it but I'm fighting for the dogs...the good dogs ...but TIT

 

PS...your quote..."All I can say is that if I ever come across someone intentionally inflicting  harm to another living creature, I will intervene as will the Thais I know." Well you would have plenty to keep you busy on the roads in Thailand let alone the dogs.  About 30,000 dead and about 100,000 injured you will be quite busy...I wish you luck

Edited November 6, 2017 by David Walden

[PaulHamon]

Not been bitten in 12 years, walk my dogs on leash around the streets of Thailand and never had a problem.

 

[David Walden]

29 minutes ago, PaulHamon said:

Not been bitten in 12 years, walk my dogs on leash around the streets of Thailand and never had a problem.

 

Oh I haven't been bitten in 75 years, the stick I carry makes sure of that.  Only 2 or 3 % of untrained, undisciplined feral mongrel soi dogs in Thailand will attack humans.  It is really a piece of cake to fix this problem, Cha-am local govt seems to have no policy on this subject.  Just because you have not been attacked it does not mean the problem is non-existing.  The options is for me to give up my 7 km walk in Thailand each morning like I have done for 42 years or fight back.  In just about in all Western countries out of control dogs are treated as feral.  And treated as such.  In my state in Australia W.A. if your dog gets out and bites a person the fine will be about Aus $10,000 plus any civil action, it could cost you everything you have got and more .  Just getting out and sitting on the road verge and the Ranger catches it will cost you $1000 to get it back.  If it is not claimed within 10 days anybody who pays the fine plus the boarding costs ($60 a day) can have title to it (the law).  This is likely to be $1500.  If not claimed in 10 days it is put down.

                           TIT

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2017 by David Walden

[wildewillie89]

1 minute ago, David Walden said:

Oh I haven't been bitten in 75 years, the stick I carry makes sure of that.  Only 2 or 3 % of untrained, undisciplined feral mongrel soi dogs in Thailand will attack humans.  It is really a piece of cake to fix this problem, Cha-am local govt seems to have no policy on this subject.  Just because you have not been attacked it does not mean the problem is non-existing.  The options is for me to give up my 7 km walk in Thailand each morning like I have done for 42 years or fight back.  In just about in all Western countries out of control dogs are treated as feral.  And treated as such.  In my state in Australia W.A. if your dog gets out and bites a person the fine will be about Aus $10,000 plus any civil action, it could cost you everything you have got and more .  Just getting out and sitting on the road verge and the Ranger catches it will cost you $1000 to get it back.  If it is not claimed within 10 days anybody who pays the fine plus the boarding costs ($60 a day) can have title to it (the law).  This likely to be $1500.  If not claimed in 10 days it is put down.

                           TIT

 

 

 

It doesn't work that easily because most municipalities do not have the power to fine people themselves. If the dog is owned it is a police matter, and as so many cases go on, the police just get sick and tired of it so it becomes a non-issue. Even, if by chance, it becomes a municipality issue, the fine needs to be approved by the official and the Mayor and then sent to the police to be acted on. Unfortunately as everyone knows everyone, the Mayor will lose a lot of votes if fine someone over something that most in the community consider relatively minor. 

In Australia it is more of a local government issue. Local governments, in most municipalities in Thailand, only deal with dogs that do not have owners (government buildings/temples/strays/ferals etc). 

 

It may be a piece of cake for us to fix, but for Thailand, would take a full restructure of many laws. Naturally, that is a little more complex .Not to mention the different religious and some social variables that continuously enter the debate. 

I also sometimes walk with a stick, however, as more and more dogs are now imports there are some breeds moving into my area where a stick will just not cut it. Luckily, as many dogs work off fear, rather than confident aggression, for now, the sticks are still a useful tool. In a few years when these imports have bred with the locals, a greater reliance will be on my dogs over sticks I think.

[David Walden]

18 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

It doesn't work that easily because most municipalities do not have the power to fine people themselves. If the dog is owned it is a police matter, and as so many cases go on, the police just get sick and tired of it so it becomes a non-issue. Even, if by chance, it becomes a municipality issue, the fine needs to be approved by the official and the Mayor and then sent to the police to be acted on. Unfortunately as everyone knows everyone, the Mayor will lose a lot of votes if fine someone over something that most in the community consider relatively minor. 

In Australia it is more of a local government issue. Local governments, in most municipalities in Thailand, only deal with dogs that do not have owners (government buildings/temples/strays/ferals etc). 

 

It may be a piece of cake for us to fix, but for Thailand, would take a full restructure of many laws. Naturally, that is a little more complex .Not to mention the different religious and some social variables that continuously enter the debate. 

I also sometimes walk with a stick, however, as more and more dogs are now imports there are some breeds moving into my area where a stick will just not cut it. Luckily, as many dogs work off fear, rather than confident aggression, for now, the sticks are still a useful tool. In a few years when these imports have bred with the locals, a greater reliance will be on my dogs over sticks I think.

 Just one more thing in Thailand that will never change.

[mettech]

Got myself a Tazer so any dog coming at me he will get it.

[David Walden]

1 hour ago, mettech said:

Got myself a Tazer so any dog coming at me he will get it.

Where do you get em!

[wildewillie89]

If a taser from the markets they are relatively useless on serious dogs. I have a couple, you can taser yourself quite easily. Will get a little burn, but will not stop something like a police taser would. They are good with the scared dogs, but those ones are scared of sticks anyway. My dogs are desensitized to tasers, and dogs that are really going to confidently attack will not be stopped by the more common tasers you can get here (whether physically stopped or stopped due to the fear of the sound). 

[Aussie69]

What about those high pitch sound devices, are they available and if so do they work?

[Ruffian Dick]

For what it's worth.

https://www.cesarsway.com/dog-training/socialization/how-to-approach-stray-dogs

[steven100]

5 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

For what it's worth.

https://www.cesarsway.com/dog-training/socialization/how-to-approach-stray-dogs

I tried this approach once    !!     I stopped using it though,   just after I got bitten  !! 

[wildewillie89]

2 hours ago, Aussie69 said:

What about those high pitch sound devices, are they available and if so do they work?

I think their is a thread on them. They are the same as tasers. Will work on dogs that attack out of fear, but even a raised hand or the sound of a stick breaking would work on those dogs.

They are also used to train dogs (combined with positive experience), so to a dog it is just a sound that may initially shock them. So if it is used on a continual basis the dog will just become desensitised to it after a while anyway, unless of course it is associated with a negative experience.

Edited November 9, 2017 by wildewillie89

[bandito]

On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 4:54 PM, The manic said:

 

What's wrong with you? In 5 years I was never attacked by a dog. And I never saw anybody get attacked by dog.

 

And some of you got bitten 3 times? And carrying weapons? Maybe problem isn't in dogs, but in you. If dogs were really so dangerous as described, how could any thai reach 20 years old? How is that, that thais aren't all dead, if their living in this dangerous eviroment all their life? 

 

Just treat dogs as thais. Whenever dogs aproach them they will scream at them to get lost and raise their hand. Works 100% even for me. Don't run like a pussy. And don't act like lost tourist who are scared shittles. Stand your ground. Works everytime.

Stupid comment of you.

My son, when he was 3 years old, got attacked and bitten by a dog here in Thailand.

The result is that he hates dogs and is scared of them.

Big man now.

[mettech]

My ex sister in law got bite and the owner acknowledged that this dog had bitten already three other person so what do you do?? some led would be the answer. Going to hospital for vaccines and about over a month period, expenses to our to cope with.Non sense.

[David Walden]

On 11/11/2017 at 4:57 AM, bandito said:

Stupid comment of you.

My son, when he was 3 years old, got attacked and bitten by a dog here in Thailand.

The result is that he hates dogs and is scared of them.

Big man now.

To the Manic rubbish... I don't think you would know shit from clay.  Only last night Just outside a restaurant at 11.30 pm when returning to my hotel room at 11.30pm near the Northern end of the strip along the Cha-am Beach Road on my motor bike I had to assist an elderly gent tourist who was having a walk late a night and was confronted by 4 savage dogs, he did have an umbrella which assisted him to ward off the dogs.  I gave 2 of them a good nudge with the front wheel of my motorbike the rest scattered and then I escorted and listened to his concerns about these dogs when the tourist back tracked to his hotel.  Is this sort of behaviour normal in Thailand?  I believe yes. 

   Each day I go for my walk between 6 and 8 km along this beach.  To-day during my walk on my own I had to warn off a very savage dog along the Cha-am beach strip with a stick whilst a Thai Policeman watched with amusement and a smile on his face.

  Cha-am is almost in crises with the absents of long and short term tourists at the moment whilst many of the people with retirement visas are talking about moving to Cambodia which is a common thought in Thailand presently.  Complicated Visa requirement requirements are adding to their concerns.  I would suggest that Cha-am is down 30 to 40 % for tourist this year then those for last year...That is simply fact.

Edited November 12, 2017 by David Walden

[bandito]

On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 1:51 AM, David Walden said:

To the Manic rubbish... I don't think you would know shit from clay.  Only last night Just outside a restaurant at 11.30 pm when returning to my hotel room at 11.30pm near the Northern end of the strip along the Cha-am Beach Road on my motor bike I had to assist an elderly gent tourist who was having a walk late a night and was confronted by 4 savage dogs, he did have an umbrella which assisted him to ward off the dogs.  I gave 2 of them a good nudge with the front wheel of my motorbike the rest scattered and then I escorted and listened to his concerns about these dogs when the tourist back tracked to his hotel.  Is this sort of behaviour normal in Thailand?  I believe yes. 

   Each day I go for my walk between 6 and 8 km along this beach.  To-day during my walk on my own I had to warn off a very savage dog along the Cha-am beach strip with a stick whilst a Thai Policeman watched with amusement and a smile on his face.

  Cha-am is almost in crises with the absents of long and short term tourists at the moment whilst many of the people with retirement visas are talking about moving to Cambodia which is a common thought in Thailand presently.  Complicated Visa requirement requirements are adding to their concerns.  I would suggest that Cha-am is down 30 to 40 % for tourist this year then those for last year...That is simply fact.

 

Good to know you know shit from clay which I doubt.

 

Reason dogs attack you is you probably smell bad.

[Katia]

It happened to me when I was in Hua Hin recently.  I was walking down the street and as I passed a house, a pair of dogs came walking out of the driveway.  They didn't act aggressive.  The larger of the two was looking at me, but only in a neutral type of way.  Never barked, never growled, never took an aggressive or defensive stance, merely walked a bit in my direction and looked at me without seeming alarmed or angry.  I kept walking, thinking nothing of it.  When he was a few feet away, he suddenly rushed me with a snarl and grabbed my calf.

 

Luckily for me, he apparently didn't mean business, as he didn't bite hard and immediately backed off and didn't approach me again.  I firmly yelled "No!  Bad!" at him and then heard someone from the yard of the house call him back (apparently they heard me yell).  I was lucky he wasn't really out to hurt me and didn't bite hard nor keep attacking.  But as it was, he still did break the skin slightly so I went for the shots.  I'm still sporting a nice bruise, and tooth holes in my pant leg, too.

 

I did not provoke this dog, I did not approach this dog, I did not even speak to this dog.  I was not in or near his yard or around his people, and if being in the street was "too close" for any territorial feelings he may have had, there's nothing I could do about that (the street was one lane wide and the gate of their driveway was close to the street, so there wasn't much choice but to pass within 2-4 meters of the driveway, but again, who was to know that would be an issue?).  I was not carrying food.  I don't act timid or like "prey."  I didn't see any signs of what he was about to do whatsoever.  This is the first time in my life a dog has ever bitten me.  I don't get into scraps with animals; I love animals and am kind to them, and I know how to treat them and when they don't want to engage and should be left alone, and I've never had problems with dogs before.  Every other dog I've seen while walking down the street merely ignores me and at most watches me pass.  I had no warning and there was nothing I could have done to evade this one or defend myself; if he'd acted aggressive I would have been wary and could have at least backed off while holding my messenger bag low and he would have bitten that rather than me, but there was way to know until he actually bit me.

 

I have no doubt that there are people, many people, bitten by dogs, who are bitten because they do something to provoke it.  But now I know that's not everyone it happens to.  Do I feel this dog was particularly aggressive?  No (this in large part by his lack of aggressive behavior except for the actual bite).  I have no idea if this is what happens to everyone who walks past his yard or if for some reason he was just in a bad mood at that moment or the sight of a pedestrian rubbed him the wrong way somehow.

[geriatrickid]

On 11/7/2017 at 8:00 AM, mettech said:

Got myself a Tazer so any dog coming at me he will get it.

Are you aware that it is illegal for you, a foreigner,  to carry or use a Taser in Thailand? It is a restricted weapon. You won't be so cocky when you are sitting in a detention center waiting on the family to come up with the money to avoid jail time.

[TheBrain]

On 11/6/2017 at 3:11 AM, geriatrickid said:

It is quite obvious that someone is demonstrating violent tendencies with the threats of stabbing a dog, or throwing stones or bashing in a dog's brains. A sane and non violent person does not undertake such a rant. I don't know if it is for attention, or if it is displaced aggression or a manifestation of a violent predisposition. All I can say is that if I ever come across someone intentionally inflicting  harm to another living creature, I will intervene as will the Thais I know.

Doing such harm to an animal, even a stray can result in serious legal consequences and public shaming in  social media. All it takes is a picture and a facebook post. One saw what happened in Pattaya to the cowardly  Australian with dyed hair and a machete who attacked the Thai  and who then tried to lie about the event. He was pilloried in public  and now has some expensive consequences.  Think before doing something foolish as the consequences could be serious legal problems, physical harm or even death.

 

 

 

People brought to despair. When you or you babies stay at danger , terrorized by packs of stray dogs at daily basis no one will afraid facebook post!!! Every dog on street without owner is an act of public aggression and offence. There is no developed country in the world where dogs without owners are tolerated.  In Japan they put them in gas chambers, in UK and France they do injections, in US they shoot. There are many states in US where it is legal to hunt for feral and stray dogs. Only here in Thailand they values vermin predators more than human safety, this is disgusting! People need to stand up.

[TheBrain]

On 11/19/2017 at 10:36 AM, geriatrickid said:

Are you aware that it is illegal for you, a foreigner,  to carry or use a Taser in Thailand? It is a restricted weapon. You won't be so cocky when you are sitting in a detention center waiting on the family to come up with the money to avoid jail time.

The difference between slave and a free man is that free man hold a gun and it was a main reason why American revolution happened. I think you know the story. Anyone who has at least some self esteem will never accept the fact to be disarmed completely no matter that law says. How you can be disarmed in presence of packs of stray dogs at every corner.

 

I still think taser is not efficient, too expensive and have only one shot. A simple sharpen screwdriver is very efficient at close combat and absolutely legal. A powerful blue laser makes wonders, just point it into dog face and you will see it will run away from your path, no sound, no disturbance, no problems. 

Edited December 27, 2017 by TheBrain