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[Prbkk]

15 hours ago, mark131v said:

A conscript army lead by untested, uneducated badly trained leaders who are picked by having the right connections rather than any ability what could possibly go wrong, not sure they would last 13 hours before crumbling to be honest.....

Yes, time after time , in many countries , such military regimes have demonstrated that they are only good at controlling their own citizens rather than external threats ( and the internal control doesn't last long in most cases, fortunately).

[Orton Rd]

14 hours ago, seajae said:

unfortunately any military force needs to keep its hardware up to date or at least able to match what those that are close by have, its common sense really. Doesnt matter who is running the country a military force does need modern equipment even if some people dont like it. The fact that they are doing this just after the subs is a bit off but they cant sit on the bums and do nothing when and if their current ones are obsolete & do need replacing. Maybe if the govt actually raised more money by making people pay their taxes etc instead of having a cash society that allows so much corruption they would be in so much sh*t and could afford to put more into everything needed by the country

No they don't, N Vietnam beat the Americans into submission with rifles and old tanks, no ships to speak of, no submarines and no 10.000 generals with shiny medals,. It's attitude as much as equipment. What happened last time Thailand was invaded- they signed a peace treaty the day after, no equipment needed for that.

[williamgeorgeallen]

where is the money coming from for these purchases. the economy is not doing well, not that anyone seems to pay taxes. is it borrowed or simply printed into existence?

[hanuman2543]

15 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

Not according to Thai history which has involved wars with all of its neighbours, not that history could ever possibly repeat itself of course!.

The last time when they had a border dispute in the 80ties with Laos they get their asses kicked by the dark, dirty, poor and communist Laotions. When was the last time they were successful? General Thaksin more than 200 years ago?

Edited May 10, 2017 by hanuman2543

[ratcatcher]

17 minutes ago, hanuman2543 said:

The last time when they had a border dispute in the 80ties with Laos they get their asses kicked by the dark, dirty, poor and communist Laotions. When was the last time they were successful? General Thaksin more than 200 years ago?

General Thaksin more than 200 years ago?

Actually King Taksin of Thonburi.

An interesting read....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksin

[hanuman2543]

20 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

General Thaksin more than 200 years ago?

Actually King Taksin of Thonburi.

An interesting read....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksin

No I meant General Taksin who later in his life became King Taksin:

http://www.thailandsworld.com/en/thai-people/king-taksin-the-great/index.cfm

If you read the early career section of the Wikipedia article you can find that too.

Edited May 10, 2017 by hanuman2543

[elgordo38]

The navy got the subs so its time for the army to stamp their feet. Me to me to. 

[sanukjim]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

No they don't, N Vietnam beat the Americans into submission with rifles and old tanks, no ships to speak of, no submarines and no 10.000 generals with shiny medals,. It's attitude as much as equipment. What happened last time Thailand was invaded- they signed a peace treaty the day after, no equipment needed for that.

You have no knowledge about the Vietnam War.The Americans had to pull out due to the pacifist movements against the war at home and their limited offence due to the self imposed "Rules of engagement" limiting their ability to win the war.The NVA signed the peace treaty supposedly ending the war at that time.When the Americans left with their last fighting force(only unarmed American civilians and embassy personnel were left in country) with a loss of 55,000 deaths to the NVA and VC loss of 400,000,it left the second most armed military force in Asia in South Vietnam (only the Chinese had a larged and more armed force).The US forces were gone 2 years and 2 months when Saigon fell to the NVA after only 55 days of fighting.The "rules of engagement " kept The US from destroying the NVA's air force on the ground at their home bases.

[12DrinkMore]

17 hours ago, clockman said:

But nobody has ever fought a war, Except civil?

 

Aaah, why do you think they have the Victory Monument in Bangkok? 

 

It was to celebrate the phenomenal triumph of the War against the French.

 

I have never met a Thai who knew the story, possibly due to national embasrassment.

 

Wiki will fill you in.

[12DrinkMore]

2 hours ago, sanukjim said:

The Vietnam War proved that tanks in mostly swampy areas or hilly and mountainous terrain and jungle areas (which South East Asia mostly is) were useless except as fortified armed check points and pill bunkers.The US army Cobra helicopters wiped out the large tank force that the NVA had in a matter of days,using the new wire guided missiles.This tank deal is to supply the army Generals with their own billions in their pockets the same as did the submarine deal did for the Admirals.New Ferraris and Lamborghini's all around.

Also they have to have one of these big spends every so often so that the semi-automatic loans the herd of Generals can get from the Thai banks can be repaid.

 

Years ago I was told that a General can get a 20 million plus loan, no ploblem, sir.

[JAG]

20 minutes ago, 12DrinkMore said:

 

Aaah, why do you think they have the Victory Monument in Bangkok? 

 

It was to celebrate the phenomenal triumph of the War against the French.

 

I have never met a Thai who knew the story, possibly due to national embasrassment.

 

Wiki will fill you in.

https://www.vhtrc.org/files/french.htm

[stephen tracy]

18 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Read the article Robblok. Geez. 

Off topic alert on. 

He has a pathological hatred of the Shinawats... it's disturbing.

[stephen tracy]

3 hours ago, sanukjim said:

The Vietnam War proved that tanks in mostly swampy areas or hilly and mountainous terrain and jungle areas (which South East Asia mostly is) were useless except as fortified armed check points and pill bunkers.The US army Cobra helicopters wiped out the large tank force that the NVA had in a matter of days,using the new wire guided missiles.This tank deal is to supply the army Generals with their own billions in their pockets the same as did the submarine deal did for the Admirals.New Ferraris and Lamborghini's all around.

They wont be used in swampy areas, hilly and mountainous terrain or jungles, they will be used on the streets of Bangkok.   

[JAG]

1 hour ago, stephen tracy said:

They wont be used in swampy areas, hilly and mountainous terrain or jungles, they will be used on the streets of Bangkok.   

After/apart from the initial impression tanks and armoured fighting vehicles are probably the least effective  equipments to use in built up areas. Tanks have limited fields of view when forced to close down. their main armaments cannot elevate (point up high enough) to engage opponents on rooftops.or upper stories of buildings, and they are very vulnerable to short range ambush from anti tank weapons. Crews have to expose themselves to observe and use their lighter weapons.

They make really good targets...  

Edited May 10, 2017 by JAG

[dcnx]

They will need these tanks in the future, you can count on it. 

 

 

[stephen tracy]

3 hours ago, JAG said:

After/apart from the initial impression tanks and armoured fighting vehicles are probably the least effective  equipments to use in built up areas. Tanks have limited fields of view when forced to close down. their main armaments cannot elevate (point up high enough) to engage opponents on rooftops.or upper stories of buildings, and they are very vulnerable to short range ambush from anti tank weapons. Crews have to expose themselves to observe and use their lighter weapons.

They make really good targets...  

It's called visual deterrence.  The Egyptian army deployed them in Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo during the Arab Spring, but even social powerful symbol of Mubarak's oppression was not enough to save his presidency.  Having said that, things have ended badly for Egypt.  During Morsi and now Sisi, if you dare to voice an opinion or challenge the authority of the regime, you goo to jail or disappear.  Sound familiar?

[IAMHERE]

Thing is the country most likely to invade Thailand is China. Those China boys have the electronic codes to shut down any piece of advanced hardware they sell to someone. Stick to buying AK-47 copies from China.

[dcnx]

4 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

They wont be used in swampy areas, hilly and mountainous terrain or jungles, they will be used on the streets of Bangkok.   

Exactly.

 

There is a storm coming. Besides, it happens every few years anyway.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, stephen tracy said:

It's called visual deterrence.  The Egyptian army deployed them in Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo during the Arab Spring, but even social powerful symbol of Mubarak's oppression was not enough to save his presidency.  Having said that, things have ended badly for Egypt.  During Morsi and now Sisi, if you dare to voice an opinion or challenge the authority of the regime, you goo to jail or disappear.  Sound familiar?

Yes, visual deterrence - as I said initial effect. As soon as that wears off....

[JAG]

24 minutes ago, dcnx said:

Exactly.

 

There is a storm coming. Besides, it happens every few years anyway.

True. The trouble is this time, the traditional safety valve has gone....