Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[Slip]

15 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

I don't recall another time an opposing administration was wiretapping the other party's campaign except for watergate. And remember, Nixon was convicted of obstruction for not turning in the CIA guys who did it when he found out. 

 

What did Obama know about wiretapping his political opponents and when?

Except by all accounts the wire-tapping began  before Manafort was involved in the Trump campaign.  He was being tapped for his previous crimes not the ones where he was in bed with Trump.

[Thakkar]

8 minutes ago, Slip said:

25 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

I don't recall another time an opposing administration was wiretapping the other party's campaign except for watergate. And remember, Nixon was convicted of obstruction for not turning in the CIA guys who did it when he found out. 

 

What did Obama know about wiretapping his political opponents and when?

Except by all accounts the wire-tapping began  before Manafort was involved in the Trump campaign.  He was being tapped for his previous crimes not the ones where he was in bed with Trump.

 

To be fair to poster funandsun, there are just so many crimes and so many criminals, so many lawyers, and lawyers who have lawyers—it's hard to keep up!

[Skywalker69]

44 minutes ago, mesquite said:

Ivanka Trump is not president.  The topic is about do you think President Donald J Trump will be impeached or forced to resign.  The poll shows most TV members who bothered to vote feel he won't.  Where Ivanka Trump makes her products has nothing to do with it.

Did you bother to check the other links?

[mesquite]

4 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Did you bother to check the other links?

None of the links led to any possible reason for Trump to be impeached.

[iReason]

13 minutes ago, mesquite said:

None of the links led to any possible reason for Trump to be impeached.

 

They all refuted the lies you were weakly attempting to perpetuate as fact.

[heybruce]

" U.S. investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the 2016 election, CNN reported on Monday. "

 

" FISA warrants require the approval of top FBI and Justice Department officials, and law enforcement has to demonstrate to the court that there is reason to believe that the subject of the investigation may be acting as an agent of a foreign power. "   https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-adviser-wiretapped-under-003637808.html   

 

I don't want to cut and paste too much of the article, but there is nothing indicating Obama was involved in the wiretap.  Manafort was wiretapped because of the company he kept, not to spy on the Trump campaign.  Did Breitbart make that clear?

[Skywalker69]

1 hour ago, mesquite said:

Ivanka Trump is not president.  The topic is about do you think President Donald J Trump will be impeached or forced to resign.  The poll shows most TV members who bothered to vote feel he won't.  Where Ivanka Trump makes her products has nothing to do with it.

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Where Ivanka Trump makes her products has nothing to do with it.

Her father and his products was also mentioned in the link.

[iReason]

21 minutes ago, mesquite said:

There were no lies.  I posted facts about Trump's accomplishments.

 

Nope, the ones I addressed, were lies from the government propoganda site, (easily debunked in my post you ignored), 

that you conveniently did not link.

And along with you own erroneous claims, tried to fob them off as your own.

 

Fact is:

 

 

[Skywalker69]

1 hour ago, Slip said:

Except by all accounts the wire-tapping began  before Manafort was involved in the Trump campaign.  He was being tapped for his previous crimes not the ones where he was in bed with Trump.

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort 'wiretapped before and after election'

 

The surveillance, authorised by the court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), started as far back as 2014 when the FBI was probing work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine's former ruling party, CNN reported.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/19/former-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-wiretapped-election/

[Scott]

A thread clean up has been done.   Stick to the topic, which is broad, but doesn't include deflective remarks about Hillary or Obama.  Name calling of the President is not permitted and one person will be on suspension for it.   Deciding to moderate the thread via the Report Function will also result in a suspension.  

 

The thread is rather broad, but personal remarks directed at other members is not permitted.  

[Thakkar]

14 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

1 hour ago, mesquite said:

Ivanka Trump is not president.  The topic is about do you think President Donald J Trump will be impeached or forced to resign.  The poll shows most TV members who bothered to vote feel he won't.  Where Ivanka Trump makes her products has nothing to do with it.

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Where Ivanka Trump makes her products has nothing to do with it.

Her father and his products was also mentioned in the link.

 

Yeah, but responding to that would break the Trump Acolyt Deflection Rule. Read the rules, man—you'll find them at Breitbart.

[Dumbastheycome]

10 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

If by "calm" you mean "fuel"—then, yes!

If you didn't not know that the FISA court is part of The Deep State, then clearly you haven't watched enough Alex Jones. The Deep State has a time machine that, in 2014, knew Trump would announce a run for president in 2015. They further knew that Trump would hire Manafort in 2016,  so naturally they started bugging Manafort in in 2014. How hard is that to understand?

Is  there   any  possibility   that   with   enough   funds   that I   may  be able  to  learn from the  possessors  of  this  aledeged  time  machine the   time  and  date  of   my  personal   natural  demise?

[Thakkar]

9 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Is  there   any  possibility   that   with   enough   funds   that I   may  be able  to  learn from the  possessors  of  this  aledeged  time  machine the   time  and  date  of   my  personal   natural  demise?

 

Please. The time machine is not for such frivolities.

 

Personaly, I use it to go back and buy the discontinued McDonalds Samurai burgers.

[heybruce]

11 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

I guess Manafort may be pretty desperate to cut a deal ! If he is allowed, imagine the info he would have about Trump Jnr's meeting, and Kushner etc etc. I wonder when we will see Trumps little piggies going on 'holidays' and 'business trips' to Russia and not returning. And then imagine the info he has on Trump. If Trump pardons him then in any investigation Manafort is not allowed to plead the 5th. Oh dear oh dear, it looks like this witch hunt really will turn up a whole coven of witches !

 

Come to think of it Mueller does have a striking resemblance to our last "Witch finder General" ! A little hair, a hat and a beard and Mueller could end the investigation by making Trump have a heart attack on sight !

 

                    

There is a lot of speculation that the pardon of Sheriff Joe "brown skin is a crime" Arpaio was to reassure Trump's partner's in crime that Trump will be generous with his powers to pardon.

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, Thakkar said:

 

Please. The time machine is not for such frivolities.

 

Personaly, I use it to go back and buy the discontinued McDonalds Samurai burgers.

You   have  just  provided  some  insight as  to  the   basis  of  your  general philosophical   outlook.

Keep  up  the  good   work  ! 

[MrPatrickThai]

35 minutes ago, Scott said:

A thread clean up has been done.   Stick to the topic, which is broad, but doesn't include deflective remarks about Hillary or Obama.  Name calling of the President is not permitted and one person will be on suspension for it.   Deciding to moderate the thread via the Report Function will also result in a suspension.  

 

The thread is rather broad, but personal remarks directed at other members is not permitted.  

Sorry, if name calling is not allowed, do you mean we are not allowed to report posts calling the President names?

[Scott]

Aberrant spelling of the names of politicians is not permitted.   Unflattering references are.  

[Thakkar]

7 minutes ago, Scott said:

Aberrant spelling of the names of politicians is not permitted.   Unflattering references are.  

 

Phew! For a sec there, I thought I'd have to stop talking about Trump!

[Dumbastheycome]

I  am eft  struggling  to  find  an  aberrant  refernce  !    Dang !

[Scott]

This is going to be my final post on this, then get back on topic.   Aberrant spellings and inflammatory references are removed so you won't see them.   

[Dumbastheycome]

In  avoidance  of   aberrant  comment  I  would   say  that  Trump  has  to   date   demonstrated  an aberrant  approach  to  the   norm of  expectations .

Despite  some   more  recent   modifications  it   would seem  likely that further  aberrant  missives  via   a  twitter  other  than that  issued  by   birds   will   confirm   a  dedication  to  the  the   absurd !

[Slip]

The Senate Intelligence Committee has unexpectedly canceled a Tuesday session to interview Michael Cohen, a former lawyer for President Trump’s business and a close associate of the president.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-lawyer-to-meet-with-senate-intelligence-committee-tuesday-in-russia-probe/2017/09/18/6a33fb8a-9c97-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.daca71e36f14

[funandsuninbangkok]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

" U.S. investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the 2016 election, CNN reported on Monday. "

 

" FISA warrants require the approval of top FBI and Justice Department officials, and law enforcement has to demonstrate to the court that there is reason to believe that the subject of the investigation may be acting as an agent of a foreign power. "   https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-adviser-wiretapped-under-003637808.html   

 

I don't want to cut and paste too much of the article, but there is nothing indicating Obama was involved in the wiretap.  Manafort was wiretapped because of the company he kept, not to spy on the Trump campaign.  Did Breitbart make that clear?

Obama controled both FBI and justice dept, just look at how Hilary's email investigation was handled. fISA courts approve 99% of requests for search warrants. You just need to ask. 

 

Interesting investigation was shut down once and then reopened during election campaign. 

 

Comey lied to to congress when he said Trump was. It wiretapped. 

 

Obama will go down because of this one as one of the most corrupt presidents ever 

 

 https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbasile/2014/01/31/obamas-weaponization-of-government/?s=trending#2dcf0ae31b92

Edited September 19, 2017 by funandsuninbangkok

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Obama controled both FBI and justice dept, just look at how Hilary's email investigation was handled. fISA courts approve 99% of requests for search warrants. You just need to ask. 

 

Interesting investigation was shut down once and then reopened during election campaign. 

 

Comey lied to to congress when he said Trump was. It wiretapped. 

 

Obama will go down because of this one as one of the most corrupt presidents ever 

 

 https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbasile/2014/01/31/obamas-weaponization-of-government/?s=trending#2dcf0ae31b92

"Obama controled both FBI and justice dept, just look at how Hilary's email investigation was handled."

 

The appalling manner in which Hillary's email investigation was very publicly conducted, while the investigation of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia was kept secret, is evidence that Obama did not interfere with the FBI investigations, though no doubt the temptation was there.

 

"Interesting investigation was shut down once and then reopened during election campaign. "

 

"The FBI resumed surveillance under a new FISA warrant at some point last year and continued to monitor him into 2017, CNN said. "  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-adviser-wiretapped-under-003637808.html 

 

Why is it interesting that the investigation into Manafort's Russian links was re-opened after he was no working longer on Trump's election campaign?

 

Please clarify your claim that Comey lied.  How so?  Also explain how your opinion piece from someone who obviously didn't like the Obama Presidency, but didn't identify any illegal acts, justifies your claim:  "Obama will go down because of this one as one of the most corrupt presidents ever "

 

How many senior Obama people were forced to resign and placed under investigation? 

 

As far as historical standards, here's a fun read for you:  https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees  Interesting, isn't it?  Zero criminal indictments under Obama, two indictments and one conviction under Clinton, 16 indictments and 16 convictions under George W. Bush, 26 indictments and 16 convictions under Reagan.

 

No wonder Republicans keep shouting "Look! Corruption on the other side!"  They have serious dirt on their side they need to distract attention from.

[Skywalker69]

Just Look At The Reaction Of Chief Of Staff John Kelly To Trump’s UN Speech Disaster

 

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly was captured with his head in his hands, as he listened to the President threaten to totally destroy 25 million people.

 

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/19/reaction-chief-staff-john-kelly-trumps-speech-disaster.html

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Just Look At The Reaction Of Chief Of Staff John Kelly To Trump’s UN Speech Disaster

 

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly was captured with his head in his hands, as he listened to the President threaten to totally destroy 25 million people.

 

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/19/reaction-chief-staff-john-kelly-trumps-speech-disaster.html

 

5 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Just Look At The Reaction Of Chief Of Staff John Kelly To Trump’s UN Speech Disaster

 

Trump's Chief of Staff John Kelly was captured with his head in his hands, as he listened to the President threaten to totally destroy 25 million people.

 

 

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/09/19/reaction-chief-staff-john-kelly-trumps-speech-disaster.html

I think Kelly and a few others in the administration don't want to be there, they just think it is their duty to try and limit the damage that a clueless incompetent like Trump can cause.

[Briggsy]

Trump will not launch an attack on North Korea. Few people give any weight to his words these days. The media is obliged to report what he says as he holds the office of president (for now). The speech is to comfort his own ego, to annoy intellectual types at the U.N. who he fears for the intelligence and restraint he does not have and, of course, for his base, both voters and in the right-wing blogosphere who will love this despite North Korea being as irrelevant to them as fried noodles.

 

As he is increasingly reduced to a smaller space, prior to his removal from office, his words will become even less relevant to any actual substantive world events or decisions and thus more removed from reality.

 

He is already an irrelevance, the lamest of lame ducks, less than a year into office, ignored, dismissed and patronised by other world leaders, the institutions of American government and even the Senate and the House which his own party holds majorities in.

[Dave67]

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I think Kelly and a few others in the administration don't want to be there, they just think it is their duty to try and limit the damage that a clueless incompetent like Trump can cause.

hahahahahahahahashahaha

[Scott]

Off-topic post and replies removed.  

[Watchful]

On 9/17/2017 at 8:33 PM, Srikcir said:

Where do you find this?

• “The idea of Senator Mitt Romney should scare Trump.”
• "Polls there [Utah] showed Trump’s favorable rating as low as 19 percent and his unfavorable rating as high as 71 percent, largely thanks to Mormons disliking him.”

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/142907/just-run-senate-already-romney

• “If I could get a really outstanding person to run for my position, I might very well consider [retiring],” .... “Mitt Romney would be perfect.” - Sen. Orin Hatch

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/utahsen-mitt-romney/522096/

Romney doesn't need Trump.

Really?  How about this...

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mitt-romney-praises-trumps-speech-before-un-general-assembly/article/2634897

 

Just as I predicted, Romney will be saying good things about Trump!  

 

Quoting liberal rags means nothing and doesn't mean you know anything about American politics.  Any politician running for office will seek support from others within their party. Only an idiot would think otherwise.