Uk Visa Student Advise Please

[sk4ever]

Hi everyone

Could you please give some advise for my situation? In June I was granted a UK student visa to go to study LL.M course at Cambridge University. However, due to urgent family problem ( one of members of my family was seriously ill), I defered my offer from 2006-2007 to 2007-2008 and came back to Thailand after only 2 weeks in Cambridge. May I ask you the following questions, please?

1.Will my situation will cause any suspicion or prejudice or any negative feeling towards my new application if I apply for UK student visa in July 2007

2.Should I state the details of my situation about my deferral or why I came back to Thailand in my application?

3How many grounds or reasons claimed by UK embassy to refuse visa application and what are they? Will my situation fall into any category of any ground to refuse?

Thank you very for you kind co-operation in advance. I am sorry if my question is sort of silly........I am quite nervous at this moment

SK4ever

[vinny]

I think that the answer your question 1 will depend on your submission for question 2.

So, in answer to question 2, most definitely, yes. You should give an explanation.

They can refuse if you do not satisfy the requirements for a student visa.

[sk4ever]

I think that the answer your question 1 will depend on your submission for question 2.

So, in answer to question 2, most definitely, yes. You should give an explanation.

They can refuse if you do not satisfy the requirements for a student visa.

Many thanks for you Vinny.....Thus, if I clearly state my reasons for deferrals, it may make them grant me a visa with ease, right or will they ask for the medical certification to ensure that my relative was really ill? I hope they will not go that far.

[vinny]

A medical certificate or a doctor's letter will be useful as supporting evidence for your explanation.

[the scouser]

As Vinny suggested, get a letter from the doctor stating the nature of your family member's illness and also get a letter from Cambridge which states the reason you gave the university for deferring your course. Back this up with your new offer letter from the university and evidence that you can support and accommodate yourself, and I don't think you should have any difficulties getting a new visa.

Scouse.

[sk4ever]

As Vinny suggested, get a letter from the doctor stating the nature of your family member's illness and also get a letter from Cambridge which states the reason you gave the university for deferring your course. Back this up with your new offer letter from the university and evidence that you can support and accommodate yourself, and I don't think you should have any difficulties getting a new visa.

Scouse.

Thank you very much, Scouse. May I have you a further question? If I can provide all documents you suggested except letter from Cambridge staing my reasons given for deffering my course, will they take my case seriously? I would say I meet all requirement for visa student but will the fact that I defered my course in such a good university like Cambridge when I had already arrived Cambridge will

create a serious problem?

[vinny]

If you have a copy of your letter to Cambridge, you can provide that. If you haven't then don't worry too much about it, write the reasons for your deferral again. What would probably be more important is what Scouse stated at the end, showing that you will satisfy the student visa requirements, namely:

Back this up with your new offer letter from the university and evidence that you can support and accommodate yourself, and I don't think you should have any difficulties getting a new visa.

Scouse.

Incidentally, Ajahn Brahm, the abbot at a Buddhist Monastery in Western Australia, is a former Cambridge graduate. He gives very inspiring talks.

[GU22]

How many grounds or reasons claimed by UK embassy to refuse visa application and what are they? Will my situation fall into any category of any ground to refuse?

The ECOs aren't looking to see if they can fund a reason to refuse; they are looking to see if an applicant meets the criteria for the visa applied for. Show that on the balance of probabilities that you do and they will issue a visa. However, the burden of proof lies with you.

See:-

Diplomatic Service Procedures - Entry clearance Volume 1 - General instructions;

Chapter 12 - Entry for studies

and

Immigration Rules;

Part 3: Persons seeking to enter or remain in the United Kingdom for studies

If I can provide all documents you suggested except letter from Cambridge stating my reasons given for deferring my course, will they take my case seriously? I would say I meet all requirement for visa student but will the fact that I deferred my course in such a good university like Cambridge when I had already arrived Cambridge will

create a serious problem?

You had a genuine reason for deferring your studies and returning to Thailand, however you do need to show that. You also need to show that the course is still available to you. So a letter or some other document from the university confirming your place is still available to you is essential, and if this letter also confirms the reasons for you deferring the start of your course then so much the better.

[sk4ever]

Thanks for you both Vinny and GU22.

I think at the time of application I will have following documents

1.covered letter stating my reasons to defer and medical certifcate for the problem of my relative's health

2.unconditional offer from Cambridge

3.bank statement which covers all of my study cost

4.English test result which meets the entry requirment

5.Education certificate

Do you guys think with these documents, I will manage to obtain a visa. Sadly I could not provide the letter which states my reason to defer from Cambridge.

[GU22]

The decision is not ours to make, but on the face of it you should be ok; providing you can show that the university have accepted your reasons for deferring the course and that the unconditional offer of a place is for the new start date, I don't think using the old one will do.

[sk4ever]

The decision is not ours to make, but on the face of it you should be ok; providing you can show that the university have accepted your reasons for deferring the course and that the unconditional offer of a place is for the new start date, I don't think using the old one will do.

Thank you GU22. At the time of applying, I will have a new one ,off course.Just my thought if I have a new unconditional offer, they may not really concentrate on why I defered.

I just wonder .........do anyone has any idea whether embassies from different country share an information about who has been rejected by each embassy........perhaps only a serious case. What do you guys think?

[the scouser]

The European Union countries have a shared database, but whether the UK is part of that, I don't know. However, if a visa is refused, the applicant's passport will be endorsed to indicate the refusal, and it is perfectly feasible that a visa officer might contact their opposite number at the refusing embassy in order to establish why.

Scouse.

[GU22]

The European Union countries have a shared database, but whether the UK is part of that, I don't know.

The UK has signed up to the Schengen Information System, but visa applicants are not routinely checked. However, as Scouse says, all embassies place a stamp in a visa applicants passport and this stamp indicates whether or not the visa was granted. If you have applied for a visa to another country then you should give details where requested on the visa application form.

[sk4ever]

The European Union countries have a shared database, but whether the UK is part of that, I don't know.

The UK has signed up to the Schengen Information System, but visa applicants are not routinely checked. However, as Scouse says, all embassies place a stamp in a visa applicants passport and this stamp indicates whether or not the visa was granted. If you have applied for a visa to another country then you should give details where requested on the visa application form.

Thanks for you guys. However I am still curious that if the applicants is rejected by big countries like UK or USA, will the possibility of being rejected again by other countries be likely to be high. Am I right, thinking that UK and Usa do not share an information on the visa application?

[the scouser]

The UK and the USA do not routinely share information about individual visa applicants, but the visa officers will know each other, and all it takes is a quick phone call from one embassy to the other to establish why a visa was refused. Also, the Americans' freedom of information laws are very liberal, so, generally speaking, there's nothing underhand about obtaining details relating to visa applications.

If an individual has been refused, for example, a US visa and then applies for a UK visa, yes, the British visa officer is going to be conscious of the US refusal. However, this does not mean that the UK visa would be refused solely because the applicant was denied a US visa.

Scouse.

[GU22]

Are you asking this because you have applied for a US visa and been refused? If so, and it wasn't an issue when you got your original UK student visa then there is no reason for it to be an issue now.

However, if there is something that you are not telling us and you applied for and were refused a US visa between leaving the UK due to your relatives ill health and making this fresh application then the ECO will know about it from the stamp in your passport. You should explain the US application before they ask you about it. If you try to conceal it and are discovered then you can forget all about getting a UK visa. Tell the truth, don't try to hide anything.

[sk4ever]

Are you asking this because you have applied for a US visa and been refused? If so, and it wasn't an issue when you got your original UK student visa then there is no reason for it to be an issue now.

However, if there is something that you are not telling us and you applied for and were refused a US visa between leaving the UK due to your relatives ill health and making this fresh application then the ECO will know about it from the stamp in your passport. You should explain the US application before they ask you about it. If you try to conceal it and are discovered then you can forget all about getting a UK visa. Tell the truth, don't try to hide anything.

Oh Dear I am just nervous that If I am rejected by Uk Embassies and want to to the other places in the world, is it likely that I will be rejected again by other places? I am just nervous.

Thank you for your answers

[sk4ever]

I think I am too nervous. I just think that If I am rejected Visa for UK, I will apply for USA university. It is a very long future. I should be concentrating on the near future and be optimisstic. Accept my appologies for going out of the topic. Please understand that I recently have a bad time with my personal life. Now I think I should be fine with UK student visa as I have a geniune reason and supporting evidence. Thanks for your advice krub and please wish me a good luck with UK visa.

[vinny]

Please understand that I recently have a bad time with my personal life.

You may find listening to Ajahn Brahm's UPs & DOWNs In Life or other talks helpful.

[GU22]

Oh Dear I am just nervous that If I am rejected by Uk Embassies and want to to the other places in the world, is it likely that I will be rejected again by other places? I am just nervous.

A previous rejection, whether by the same or a different country, is a factor, of course. However, if the reasons for the previous rejection are dealt with then it shouldn't effect a subsequent application.

From what you have said, I can see no reason why your current application should be refused.