Should university education be free?

[richard10365]

If you are the person making the revenue, then yes, the benefit of revenue exceed the advantages of a more educated society.

This is not Star Trek and we don't live in utopia. We are human and inherently selfish and greedy. Its our nature and its who we are as a species.

If you want an education then someone has to pay for it. At the very least, the person getting the education pays with the time needed to study and learn. Time studying is time not working. Time not working is time not earning revenue.

To wrap this rant up, most people are not disciplined enough to learn online. They need the lecturer in the flesh to guide and motivate them to study. They also need the environment to give them a sense of being part of something. They also need the companionship of fellow students to work and grow with.

Maybe in a thousand years we would have evolved to make this possible but we are not there yet.



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[davidst01]

If you made it free the thai students wouldnt care so much. Because they have to pay 8000 twice a year they want to give grenge jai to their parents for working hard to pay the bill. Its a valid reason why most of them turn up to class. They do it for their parents and their future of looking after their parents who currently support them. It would not be good if university was free in thailand. 

[mogandave]

University is not free anywhere.


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[muzmurray]

On 5/25/2017 at 1:55 AM, rickudon said:

That changed in the 80's, apprenticeships were no  longer  properly supported, and school leavers were all encouraged to go to University (about 50% do).

 

Check your "facts" before you post !

 

"In 2015, 31% of 18 year olds in England were accepted into a university place (the entry rate)—an increase of almost one percentage point on the previous year and the highest level recorded."

 

https://fullfact.org/education/are-there-record-numbers-young-people-going-university/?gclid=CITgy-fFjdQCFdaGaAod4LIFVA

[rickudon]

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"In 2015, 31% of 18 year olds in England were accepted into a university place (the entry rate)—an increase of almost one percentage point on the previous year and the highest level recorded."

Only 50% of university undergraduates start at age 18. So perhaps you should double that figure ........

 

and this is probably from a link from the same source you used .....

 

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In England, 42.1 per cent of the cohort aged 18 in 2014 were accepted to enter higher education either at age 18 in 2014 or at age 19 in 2015

So that is 18 and 19 year olds. Therefore my 'estimate' of 50% is probably very close.

[mogandave]

In any event, 31% seems like a lot.


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[mogandave]

Universities need to be made free such that governments are able to control the costs and curriculum.


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[Rhys]

  Would certain people or students value it if given a free ride..?

 

[mogandave]

  Would certain people or students value it if given a free ride..?
 

Education has intrinsic value, that the recipient may or may not appreciate the value is of no concern

[Rhys]

17 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

Education has intrinsic value, that the recipient may or may not appreciate the value is of no concern

 

 Some would say, but if you don't value it.. it is a  X... 

[mogandave]

 Some would say, but if you don't value it.. it is a  X... 

Did you doze off there? In any event, the value one sees in something has no effect on the actual value.

[tonray]

On 5/23/2017 at 10:35 AM, speckio said:

nothing is free... how do you pay for it? also if its free does that mean the quality of education is lowered???

In Germany for example, what they found was that it is being paid for by much higher productivity in their workforce. The payoff is not immediate but education is a vital thing for the progress of a country.

[inThailand]

Why pay for an education that is basically worthless?

Edited August 6, 2017 by inThailand
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[Rhys]

LAvar it.

[manarak]

I think higher education and technical training can be free in fields the government designates as a national priority.

 

For the rest... here is the problem of capacity, and planned economies have always been bad at providing correct capacity, so a paid system is more apt to deliver the required resources for the education that people wish for.

 

This should not stop the government from providing universitary capacities, but then strict admission tests must be the rule, otherwise it leads to absurd situations, with 90% failure in some cursuses and a tremendous waste of resources and workforce.

[Rhys]

...at some universities, admission test are only in name.   I still still wonder about the abuse and value of something given free.  I think the vocational schools and as you mention certain SERVICE oriented majors  CAN be free or supplemented with time repaying the cost of the education.

Edited December 27, 2017 by Rhys