som nam na idiots

Lifetime incarceration?  
 
How many criminals serving lifetime sentences stay in jail for life?

I've no idea. Certainly not enough in the UK, although the likes of Peter Sutcliffe, Levi Bellfield and Ian Huntley will be. Ian Brady was another one.

Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

Yes, on an island. That means exile from the human population that is at risk because of your acts. However. Crimes of passion are understood in many courts another way. A far cry from premeditated murder. However again. Murder is murder and the incarceration and the conditions of incarceration should fit the type of murder. Murdering a 5 year old, for example like Paul Scully in an act of brutal commercialism and satiation of impulses so vile they defy the imagination, should invoke incarceration for life along with deprivation, or added punishments. Yes?  No?

Never heard of Paul Scully. Where did he commit this act?

Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

5 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

Peculiar how we go off on these tangents isn't it? What does the brand of phone have to do with this horrible, needless death? Perhaps they wouldn't have killed the poor kid if he only had  a Samsung.....

I was just defending my choice of phone.  Personally no matter how much I love any tech product I would not die nor kill for it.

To those who still do not get it, it murderers are put to death, they will never kill, rape, steal, or pillage again, so I do agree

that the death penalty does indeed work, as no one that I know of has ever come back from being dead. For anyone to kill

someone else all because of a cell phone, or for any reason, that they commit first degree murder, well good riddance to them.

Geezer

18 hours ago, Prbkk said:

I'm guessing this means you're not coming over to commune over a pot of organic herbal tea and to weep and wail a bit watching replays of the Hillary rallies?

 

Awesome! Yes your right I certainly won't be watching replays of anything clinton anytime soon as I just donated to mediaequalizer.com in their support of freedom of speech. I'm not an American yet I value true American values and the constitution of the USA. too funny thanks

11 hours ago, tropo said:

Lifetime incarceration?  

 

How many criminals serving lifetime sentences stay in jail for life?

How is the death penalty more counter productive than jail for life if as mentioned they actually do life? They continue to theve our good Oxygen cost millions and dont produce 5/8ths of fxxx all!

On 31/05/2017 at 6:16 PM, shanesox said:

You Liberal soft on crime brigade don't get it ! Death penalty is the punishment not a deterrent !
 

Oh 'we' get it all right, that's why 'we' keep saying that death penalty is about revenge, not about justice. Thanks for proving my point.

 

And wouldn't it be nice if you could just present your arguments without resorting to silly and childish labeling ... I belong to no brigade, Shane, I am fiercely personal in my opinions, and one of these opinions is that death penalty is absurd, counter-productive, and un-civilized, not to say barbaric. You have a right to think another way and I won't call you an obtuse, conservative, brainwashed nincompoop, because I am civilized :-))

9 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

To those who still do not get it, it murderers are put to death, they will never kill, rape, steal, or pillage again, so I do agree

that the death penalty does indeed work, as no one that I know of has ever come back from being dead. For anyone to kill

someone else all because of a cell phone, or for any reason, that they commit first degree murder, well good riddance to them.

Geezer

Of course, you're making perfect sense. The problem seems to be that everyone is judging death penalty by how good a deterrent it is for would-be murderers.

 

 Preventing the possibility of further harm from known offenders is reason enough to clean them out of existence IMO. Why waste money on incarcerating them?

1 hour ago, Yann55 said:

Oh 'we' get it all right, that's why 'we' keep saying that death penalty is about revenge, not about justice. Thanks for proving my point.

 

And wouldn't it be nice if you could just present your arguments without resorting to silly and childish labeling ... I belong to no brigade, Shane, I am fiercely personal in my opinions, and one of these opinions is that death penalty is absurd, counter-productive, and un-civilized, not to say barbaric. You have a right to think another way and I won't call you an obtuse, conservative, brainwashed nincompoop, because I am civilized :-))

As long as you keep calling the death penalty "revenge", you'll never get it. A reasonable trial by a court, leading to a death sentence is not revenge. It's justice and punishment fitting the crime. You use "revenge" to add an emotional flavour to something that needn't be. It's not the families of the victims putting them on trial - It's a country trying to save their population from harm... 

 

 As long as there's a decent period time for the sentenced people to appeal, it's quite civilised. These criminals all know in advance the penalties before they kill. Probably many of them aren't afraid to accept the consequences if they are caught.

 

For the evolutionists, think of it as taking antibiotics to kill an infection. We're all just life forms that happened along.

 

For the Christians, it's in the Bible - an eye for an eye. It's all about accounting.

 

Your attitude that lifetime incarceration is more appropriate is more about "revenge" than just executing them. You feel they will suffer more by being kept in a cage. You're more about "vengeance" than the death penalty advocates.

 

I know I'd rather be executed than spend a lifetime rotting in a Thai prison.

 

 

 

Edited June 2, 20179 yr by tropo

3 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

How is the death penalty more counter productive than jail for life if as mentioned they actually do life? They continue to theve our good Oxygen cost millions and dont produce 5/8ths of fxxx all!

I'm in favour of wiping them out and relieving society of the financial burden and any future risk of harm after some do-gooder politician or leader decides to forgive them and then release them.

17 hours ago, tropo said:

It's a bit of a stretch suggesting that the murder rate in the US is because of capital punishment. You're just making it up to fit in with your theory.

 

Did you consider the possibility that the murder rate in the US could have been much higher if there was no capital punishment?

 

I theorise that the high murder rate is due to several factors, like with most things in life there will be more than 1 defining factor. Capital punishment though seems to be one of those factors. Any scientist would not be able to ignore the data that, for the most part, countries without capital punishment have a lower murder and crime rate, and those who still use it have a higher murder and crime rate. It's called a trend 

On 6/1/2017 at 11:23 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Never heard of Paul Scully. Where did he commit this act?

Sent from my SM-A500F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

Sorry, Peter Scully in jail in the Philippines

There's no perfect system. The death penalty usually comes with some collateral damage. It's a small price to pay for getting cold blooded killers out of our universe.

POOR "cold blooded killers", rich "cold blooded killers" get to run countries and never face justice for the thousands they kill.

crime and punishment ver. 4.1

 

if a death sentence, anyplace in the world, carries 0% doubt on the guilt of the  deserving culprit, so be it...

if a single death sentence, can claim deterrene to 1 sole potential criminal to perpetrate, so be it...

if not...drop it!

 

©

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 20179 yr by observer90210

On 6/1/2017 at 2:57 PM, JustNo said:

That's not true for everybody. Just because you do not wish for somebody to die because they have caused a loved one of yours to die, doesn't mean you love them less. In fact it means you have compassion for yourself to not become ridden with anger, vengeance and all of those ugly things. Sure you will experience these ugly emotions, but if you can rise above them and not let them engulf you, you have then transcended stooping down to that ugliness of revenge and killing. 

Gotta agree to disagree on this one.

On 2017-05-31 at 7:08 AM, Bluespunk said:

While I don't agree with the halving of sentences for confessing, why should the fact there is strong evidence make a difference in applying the rule?

I fully agree! Just one question! If we would use halving on the death sentence. Does that mean the perp can choose if he want upper or lower body dead? It makes no sense, I know. These people just don´t think with any head.

 

Awyway, I am all for it. Now it´s just carrying out the sentence that is going to be the problem. As it looks now, these guys are going to be around 85 before that happens.

Edited June 25, 20179 yr by Get Real

Its a thumb down for me, my only caveat is that I haven't watched the video and don't want to, but assume the judge has, eye for an eye.

Death sentence. Doesn`t seem to mean literally in Thailand. If or when it happens, I`ll believe it.

Death sentence. Doesn`t seem to mean literally in Thailand. If or when it happens, I`ll believe it.

Yes. The sentence is normally reduced to Life by the King. The last executions were in 2009 when two drug traffickers were executed by lethal injection.

An off topic post about an incident in the Philippines has been removed.