seajae Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 it may happen but not last very long as no one will actually service the machinery and it will all fall to pieces, just look at everything else here, actually paying to keep anything working/looking good goes against everything thais stand for. Laborers will always be needed here, they are cheap and dont need servicing, just replace as needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Already in West Oz pre schoolers are learning basic robotics scrip , 4th and 5th year secondary do computer engineering and science, that's all very well for those that R bright enough to go the full yards, many wont be able to do these courses , Governments are backing the new potential doom with automation by hoping the gap filled with the thousands of unemployed the slack will be taken up by computer technology , they R dreaming............................................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Cuchulainn said: Thais v Machines Looking forward to some good replies on this one!! If it's anything like anything else in Thailand, they will need a team of repair guys on standby when the machine breaks because of lack of maintenance or improper use This might even create more jobs than they ordered the robots to replace.... Welcome to Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luk AJ Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just don't give the machines a work permit - problem solved Thai style!Why should the machines come to Thailand? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, luk AJ said: Why should the machines come to Thailand? Lady machines are available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ty91074 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Check out The Luddite fallacy. It is the simple observation that new technology does not lead to higher overall unemployment in the economy. New technology doesn’t destroy jobs – it only changes the composition of jobs in the economy. It's been kicking around for quite a few years now. http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6717/economics/the-luddite-fallacy/Yes if you embrace technology. But a lot of Thais seem to have another name for progression-witchcraft. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, ty91074 said: 2 hours ago, Moonlover said: mployment in the economy. New technology doesn’t destroy jobs – it only changes the composition of jobs in the economy. It's been kicking around for quite a few years now. http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6717/economics/the-luddite-fallacy/ 3 minutes ago, ty91074 said: Yes if you embrace technology. But a lot of Thais seem to have another name for progression-witchcraft. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app India went through a similar process some years ago. They didn't even want electronic tills in their shops at one time. Too many folks were trying to retain the Gandhi simplicity and the Luddite messages. Now its IT industry is creating an export revenue standing at around 100 billion USD and Bangalore is often called the ''Silicon Valley of India'. The world doesn't owe any one country a living. Thailand has to "grasp the nettle", like every other country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partington Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 No robot can pick its nose while gesturing at an air conditioner and saying "air conditioner" to random passing customers, so at least retail jobs are safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chado Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 suppose, machines have replaced thais. whom those machines will create value for? who'll need their services? who'll be able to pay for them? unemployed thais with no jobs and money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chado Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Moonlover said: Check out The Luddite fallacy. It is the simple observation that new technology does not lead to higher overall unemployment in the economy. New technology doesn’t destroy jobs – it only changes the composition of jobs in the economy. It's been kicking around for quite a few years now. http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6717/economics/the-luddite-fallacy/ have we ever had AI? AI - isn't a stupid machine which is controlled by a human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The one that takes the lowest wages/costs will win and with import tariffs so high, I put my money on the worker not the machines as they will be sat at the ports waiting for an entry permit or brown stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary A Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 If you were involved in farming you would understand that farmers will have to mechanize. My wife has a really difficult time finding farm labor. Those little patches of sugar cane will soon be gone and they will be combined to be big long fields so a mechanical harvester can do the harvest. I'm surprised that it is taking this long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 minutes ago, Gary A said: If you were involved in farming you would understand that farmers will have to mechanize. My wife has a really difficult time finding farm labor. Those little patches of sugar cane will soon be gone and they will be combined to be big long fields so a mechanical harvester can do the harvest. I'm surprised that it is taking this long. We can't find any workers for our farm this year either, at least not for more than a day or two. Wish I could find AI machines that could cut weeds from between tea rows on a 30 degree slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodestone Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumbleweed Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 While the machines will all have to be adapted to accept brown envelopes, I can think of at least one industry that machines wont be replacing anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 minute ago, grumbleweed said: While the machines will all have to be adapted to accept brown envelopes, I can think of at least one industry that machines wont be replacing anytime soon Wanna bet? But remember Westworld ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksamuiguy Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 They don't want to learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maewang99 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) yes. fewer of the boring jobs. but more jobs for technologists and researchers... as we will ****all**** have a higher standard of living... with robots, drones and AV's delivering basic everyday products.... bought online... without even a need to go to a market.... so cheap there is no need to even look for bargains.... everything becomes a commodity.... and priced by fully computerized markets... which means time saved.... so we can focus on new and exciting horizons such as putting people on Mars by 2024 which we are on course to do beginning with supply ships being sent next year. Edited June 1, 2017 by maewang99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The world will be severely effected in the near future. It is a question of labor price, production rates and convenience. With a five year write off can pay a fair amount for something that will work 24 hours a day, no complaints or concerns over working conditions, or age, will produce the same as 10 or 100 workers. In the future will be mostly a matter of desire to have a face to face contact. Accounting, stock analysis, and recommendations, serving food, making food, transportation, can all be handled in a quicker manner with AI. Question is what to do with 50% of the population that isn't flexible enough to take on a new career due to age, smarts, physical limitation, personality, and experience. A lot of the new jobs will involve working with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 17 hours ago, jonclark said: Just don't give the machines a work permit - problem solved Thai style! Have to build jails for robots. Save on food though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luk AJ Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The world will be severely effected in the near future. It is a question of labor price, production rates and convenience. With a five year write off can pay a fair amount for something that will work 24 hours a day, no complaints or concerns over working conditions, or age, will produce the same as 10 or 100 workers. In the future will be mostly a matter of desire to have a face to face contact. Accounting, stock analysis, and recommendations, serving food, making food, transportation, can all be handled in a quicker manner with AI. Question is what to do with 50% of the population that isn't flexible enough to take on a new career due to age, smarts, physical limitation, personality, and experience. A lot of the new jobs will involve working with people.We can't stop evolution and your assumption that 50% of the population will be left behind will create a very dangerous situation. If these 50% have nothing to do, they are capable of destroying everything..Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Luj AJ yes that is a problem. Trump is getting some companies to move back to the States. Some of the ones that are doing are doing so due to better opportunities to go robotic. Harder to do in Mexico. They are using a lot less people with the new facilities. This is one of the biggest problems of the future. Probably can be as serious as global warming. Part of this problem is politicians being lobbied to do nothing about it, and not putting enough money into education and retraining. Those with negative attitudes won't be able to get jobs and compound dissatisfaction among the population. As most of the new jobs will involve people interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If you are younger than 60, better be thinking about supporting yourself in the future. If in the states sell be ready to sell your house and move to Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Robot cops programmed to accept tea money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luk AJ Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Robot cops programmed to accept tea money?Sure, bitcoins will be accepted [emoji57]Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 If the government was on the ball there would be a lot of opportunities for work in forestry and creating recreation sites doing work that is currently not being done and has a payback. Planting species like teak and the thinning, pruning and fertilization would increase the volume and have a payback. If on government land could then sell the timber to small mills though auctions and employ more people. Opportunities for crafts people to create wood products. I can show you how to make valuable products out of second growth rather than old growth. This would also be encouraged by taxing private lands and having reduced taxation for forested private lands. The time to do something is now. The money is there, all that is need for proper representation on the concept, and visualization on the part of the politicians. There are nice places for recreation visits in places that are untidy, clogged with vegetation. Opportunities for trail work to encourage visits. This would create payback opportunities for adjacent communities. Should be a lot more camping sites constructed so wouldn't have to stay in hotels. Etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 bet the farmers are safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timber Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 https://web.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage/videos/1080762222056035/?pnref=story Can do a lot of things that manpower is used for. Expensive but more productive and can work 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graemeaylward Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 Look at the photo caption! It would take that farmer years to irrigate his crops with a crop sprayer! Proof if proof were needed that the city dwellers of Bangkok have no knowledge or interest in anything outside that hallowed citadel! Sent from my Lenovo A3000-H using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerostar Posted June 1, 2017 Share Posted June 1, 2017 The future holds plenty of jobs for Thai people ! e.g. Cleaning up the garbage .. That should keep a few million workers busy for the next 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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