Junta allows other use of ALRO land

[rooster59]

Junta allows other use of ALRO land

By THE SUNDAY NATION

 

 

DESPITE strong public criticism, the ruling junta has issued a new order to relax the usage of some 4,000 rai of agricultural reform land for “public benefit purposes” and particularly allow three main business activities – oil fields, wind farms and mining.

 

The order was issued by Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, in his capacity as head of the National Council for Peace and Order, who has retained absolute power under Article 44 of the interim charter and Article 265 of the new Constitution.

 

ALRO land plots have been subject to land uses by poor farmers for farm purposes since 1975. 

 

The Agricultural Land Reform Office (ALRO) has at least two regulations waiving the purpose for some uses “following other laws” and “those in relation to farming”.

 

The government earlier revealed that around 4,000 rai of the reform agency’s farmland, or 0.1 per cent of its 40 million rai is used for such purposes. These include some oil fields, mining, and wind farms operating on ALRO land.

 

Under the NCPO chief’s order, people running these business activities can seek an extension of their concessions, while continuing to use the land until a new regulation is issued by the Agriculture Ministry to secure their future use of the land.

 

People proposing this type of use of ALRO land who are waiting for approval, producers of petroleum in particular, will also be able to enter the land and use it. However, they must submit related documents within 60 days.

 

Those who had concessions suspended by the ALRO committee can be compensated by extensions of their concession in the future equivalent to time their businesses lost.

 

The ALRO committee has authority to consider and approve these proposals, while the ALRO office takes care of compensation from concessionaires for farmers whose land-use rights were transferred to these business entities.

 

The Agriculture and Cooperatives Ministry is obliged to come up with a new regulation to replace the two existing ones within 90 days.

 

Under the order, the reason given for changes of purpose for some ALRO land is that conditions have changed, while some ALRO land is not suitable for farming. While sticking with the ultimate purpose of serving the utmost benefit for farmers, the land can be allocated for “public benefit” purposes with returns that still serve poor farmers.

 

Cabinet approved the issuing of the order on Tuesday. But it drew strong criticism, as the land has long been subject for use by poor farmers.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30319026

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-06-25

[Thechook]

 allow three main business activities – oil fields, wind farms and mining.

 

So the oil, electric and mining tycoons will benefit over the farmer struggling to make a living.  Bangkok elites getting priority. 

[halloween]

56 minutes ago, Thechook said:

 allow three main business activities – oil fields, wind farms and mining.

 

So the oil, electric and mining tycoons will benefit over the farmer struggling to make a living.  Bangkok elites getting priority. 

Why don't you get a grip on reality. What makes more sense, using land productively, or parceling out small plots for farms that will never get much above subsistence level? which benefits the nation more?

Edited June 25, 2017 by halloween

[Smarter Than You]

4 minutes ago, halloween said:

Why don't you get a grip on reality. What makes more sense, using land productively, or parceling out small plots for farms that will never get much above subsistence level? which benefits the nation more?

Depends where the profits go doesn't it?

Taking land set aside for the poor to generate income for the wealthy surprisingly doesn't do much for the living standards of the poor.

 

Funny how it always seems that it is the poor that must make the sacrifices to benefit the nation.

[halloween]

3 minutes ago, Smarter Than You said:

Depends where the profits go doesn't it?

Taking land set aside for the poor to generate income for the wealthy surprisingly doesn't do much for the living standards of the poor.

 

Funny how it always seems that it is the poor that must make the sacrifices to benefit the nation.

You've never heard of the Agrarian Revolution? Educate yourself.

[Smarter Than You]

16 minutes ago, halloween said:

You've never heard of the Agrarian Revolution? Educate yourself.

You've never even heard of Thailand being one the most unequal nations on the planet? Educate yourself.

 

What on earth makes you think that profits from this land re-allocation will ever flow towards anything that benefits the poor?

 

"Thailand is one of the most unequal societies in Asia, not only in purely economic terms - for instance land ownership and financial assets - but also in terms of access to power and resources, access to education, and in the way laws are implemented and justice delivered. Oligarchies throughout Thai society skew the fair distribution of assets and power - a situation deeply resented by many."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 25, 2017 by Smarter Than You

[halloween]

12 minutes ago, Smarter Than You said:

You've never even heard of Thailand being one the most unequal nations on the planet? Educate yourself.

 

Actually, we are both well aware that you will not really being educating yourself anytime soon, so let me help you out a tiny bit.

 

Inequality in Thailand - Foreign Correspondents' Club of Thailand

 

It's on July 27, you should pop in get your hands on the microphone and explain to the poor sods there how taking land off the poor to line the pockets of the wealthy benefits the nation.

 

 

55555. Another casual lie, without support, that we are supposed to believe, when the facts are very different. Have you even heard of a Gini coefficient, let alone compared countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

 

The world Bank and the CIA agree that Thailand is somewhat worse than the UK, much better than the USA, and nowhere near "being one the most unequal nations on the planet."

 

The agrarian revolution which reduced the number of people working in agriculture improved the living standards of all concerned.

 

 

[Smarter Than You]

5 minutes ago, halloween said:

55555. Another casual lie, without support, that we are supposed to believe, when the facts are very different. Have you even heard of a Gini coefficient, let alone compared countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

 

The world Bank and the CIA agree that Thailand is somewhat worse than the UK, much better than the USA, and nowhere near "being one the most unequal nations on the planet."

 

The agrarian revolution which reduced the number of people working in agriculture improved the living standards of all concerned.

 

 

Hmmm, lets see

 

Richest 0.1%own half of nation's assets
The Nation
NESDB study reveals massive wealth inequality; 15.6 million deemed 'poor'
BANGKOK: -- CLOSE TO one in four Thais (23.5 per cent) - 15.6 million people - are considered to live in poverty, while a fraction of the population (0.1 per cent) is so rich they own nearly half (46.5 per cent) of the country's total assets, a 2012 study by the National Economics and Social Development Board found.
Wealthy Thais, in the top 20 per cent, possessed 326 times more land than the poor, while their salaries were 25 higher than the poor, the study found.
The rich own nearly 80 per cent of the land obtainable via ownership documents, while the bottom 20 per cent of owners have only 0.3 per cent of available land.
Thais in the top 10 per cent earned 39 per cent of overall income, while the bottom 10 per cent earned just 1.6 per cent of income, the NESDB found.

 

How exactly does your agrarian revolution work?

Do millions and millions of Thais just up and move to the cities where they will instantly find well paying manufacturing jobs?

When they move to the cities will there magically appear new accomodation and infrastructure to handle the sudden population increase?

What happens to all of the people providing services (Teachers, Doctors, 7-11 Cashiers) to the rural populations when all of the farmers move to the cities; do they also pack up and find one of those well paying manufacturing jobs in Bangkok and move into one of those brand new empty apartments and travel to and from there new job on the magically appeared new roads and send their kids to the magically appeared new schools and if they get sick do they go to the magically appeared new hospitals?

 

You want an agrarian revolution in Thailand, the first thing you need is a government that actually cares about the poor and the only way you're going to get that is through elections.

 

 

 

[klauskunkel]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Junta allows other use of ALRO land

The other use for ALRO land is called ROTFLMAO land and is permitted for junta members only

[fforest1]

How many people have got in trouble in the last 3 years

for infringing on public land?

[Retiredandhappyhere]

On 6/25/2017 at 8:23 AM, halloween said:

55555. Another casual lie, without support, that we are supposed to believe, when the facts are very different. Have you even heard of a Gini coefficient, let alone compared countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

 

The world Bank and the CIA agree that Thailand is somewhat worse than the UK, much better than the USA, and nowhere near "being one the most unequal nations on the planet."

 

The agrarian revolution which reduced the number of people working in agriculture improved the living standards of all concerned.

 

 

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Yes and of course we can all see that happening in Thailand.

[halloween]

40 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

Yes and of course we can all see that happening in Thailand.

That's the problem, it's not happening. Too many people are still working small plots of land, and using their numbers to gain financial support to maintain their lifestyle.