Thai-Australian drug-smuggling operation busted

[TomTao]

I don't see any suspects in the photo lineup, only BiB with a good batch of chemical death for thise who overdose, I hope there many more busts like this.

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[Essaybloke]

11 minutes ago, TomTao said:

I don't see any suspects in the photo lineup, only BiB with a good batch of chemical death for thise who overdose, I hope there many more busts like this.

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The 'War on Drugs' has been raging world wide for over 50 years. We all know 'more busts like this' won't make any difference to demand. As Maslow (almost) said:  When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

[Maggusoil]

10 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

I would have thought Tobacco was the most dangerous substance

As a danger to health no. Nothing kills like alcohol and you can add big pharma products that endanger human life

on this planet. What we're talking about here are products taken for their pleasure or stimulation value. By comparison,

nothing comes close to alcohol as a danger to human life and a destroyer of families, individuals and a desensitiser that allows people to do horrific things to others. 

This is not to say other drugs are all clean of danger, but the argument is that it is at least legal in most non-muslim countries, and possession of other recreational drugs in some countries can get you the death penalty, and that health hazard is out of all proportion to the crime. A crime that does not involve endangering others or hurting others.

In this fact also it seems that in muslim countries that have made alcohol illegal, by comparison, they've got that right.

[NextStationBangkok]

They always catch tons worth meth here and there. I am wondering who the hell using so much in Thailand ?

 

Exported ?

[whatawonderfulday]

1 hour ago, Maggusoil said:

As a danger to health no. Nothing kills like alcohol and you can add big pharma products that endanger human life

on this planet. What we're talking about here are products taken for their pleasure or stimulation value. By comparison,

nothing comes close to alcohol as a danger to human life and a destroyer of families, individuals and a desensitiser that allows people to do horrific things to others. 

This is not to say other drugs are all clean of danger, but the argument is that it is at least legal in most non-muslim countries, and possession of other recreational drugs in some countries can get you the death penalty, and that health hazard is out of all proportion to the crime. A crime that does not involve endangering others or hurting others.

In this fact also it seems that in muslim countries that have made alcohol illegal, by comparison, they've got that right.

total rubbish as according the WHO I was correct and tobacco kills more people than Alcohol 6million and 2.5 million respectifully

here is the link to the WHO report

https://drugfree.org/learn/drug-and-alcohol-news/who-report-smoking-and-drinking-cause-millions-of-deaths-worldwide/

[Essaybloke]

2 hours ago, Maggusoil said:

As a danger to health no. Nothing kills like alcohol and you can add big pharma products that endanger human life

on this planet. What we're talking about here are products taken for their pleasure or stimulation value. By comparison,

nothing comes close to alcohol as a danger to human life and a destroyer of families, individuals and a desensitiser that allows people to do horrific things to others. 

This is not to say other drugs are all clean of danger, but the argument is that it is at least legal in most non-muslim countries, and possession of other recreational drugs in some countries can get you the death penalty, and that health hazard is out of all proportion to the crime. A crime that does not involve endangering others or hurting others.

In this fact also it seems that in muslim countries that have made alcohol illegal, by comparison, they've got that right.

It's not so much that the drug is so bad, it's how the drug is used. The way I and millions of others use alcohol or prescription drugs is perfectly fine. The issues begin when the drugs are misused, of course. I agree with most of what you say but certainly can't agree with your last point (if I understand it correctly). Prohibition simply does not work, and banning something for religious reasons is damned oppression, (notice that they don't ban tobacco for instance). No, more prohibition is not the answer.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Essaybloke
grammar, clarification

[mikiea]

16 hours ago, eggers said:

Certainly hope AUS police get those responsible in AUS; they destroy people's lives for their greed!!

huh ? wat u smoking ?

 

[mikiea]

16 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

"them to Australia where the drug’s street value would be 100 times greater than in Thailand. "

 

Where is that Street?

in somebody's mind i think ....they caught a group of box of rocks stupid  mules ...network still in place ...scheeeeze 

[halloween]

4 hours ago, Maggusoil said:

As a danger to health no. Nothing kills like alcohol and you can add big pharma products that endanger human life

on this planet. What we're talking about here are products taken for their pleasure or stimulation value. By comparison,

nothing comes close to alcohol as a danger to human life and a destroyer of families, individuals and a desensitiser that allows people to do horrific things to others. 

This is not to say other drugs are all clean of danger, but the argument is that it is at least legal in most non-muslim countries, and possession of other recreational drugs in some countries can get you the death penalty, and that health hazard is out of all proportion to the crime. A crime that does not involve endangering others or hurting others.

In this fact also it seems that in muslim countries that have made alcohol illegal, by comparison, they've got that right.

In most western countries, alcohol and tobacco products are heavily taxed to help off set the costs (and more) of abuse. Most of this is paid by recreational users who will never have serious problems.

If all drugs are legalised, would you be prepared to pay similar tax levels to help cover the costs of treatment of abusers? If the taxes were imposed, would users pay them, or go back to their old ways?

[The Dark Lord]

1 hour ago, Essaybloke said:

It's not so much that the drug is so bad, it's how the drug is used. The way I and millions of others use alcohol or prescription drugs is perfectly fine. The issues begin when the drugs are misused, of course. I agree with most of what you say but certainly can't agree with your last point (if I understand it correctly). Prohibition simply does not work, and banning something for religious reasons is damned oppression, (notice that they don't ban tobacco for instance). No, more prohibition is not the answer.

You hit the nail on the head there my friend, According to what I was told whilst living in Saudi by a deeply religious scholar there, anything that can change your being such as an addiction is banned under the law. Tobacco, and God knows I should know, once it gets its claws into you is a monster to get away from I.e. Is addictive!

[Smarter Than You]

14 minutes ago, halloween said:

In most western countries, alcohol and tobacco products are heavily taxed to help off set the costs (and more) of abuse. Most of this is paid by recreational users who will never have serious problems.

If all drugs are legalised, would you be prepared to pay similar tax levels to help cover the costs of treatment of abusers? If the taxes were imposed, would users pay them, or go back to their old ways?

What are the old ways?

Paying a fortune for a potentially dangerous, impure or outright fake product?

I think it reasonable to assume reliable, clean legal drugs would quickly dominate the market.

Drug lords would be out of business, drug users would no longer have to resort to crime to support their habits and the jail population would immediately be 50% less - win, win, win.

 

Legal drugs could clearly be sold well under the current street price and still make huge profits - enough to fund health care, rehab and still have excess to fund schools, roads and other public goods.

 

A kilo of Cocaine costs $1,500, in Colombia, $12,000-16,000 in Mexico and $77,000 in Britain according to the accountant of Colombia’s Medellín drug mob

[lvr181]

18 hours ago, Maggusoil said:

Nobody destroys anybody else's life. People with their own malice and aforethought, seek out drug dealers to buy the substances they want. If they then destroy their lives, it is their choice. Or as is the case, as many do, they imbibe a bit on a Saturday night and stay substance free the rest of the week.               Freely chosen, with the risks calculated.

It is not as if the drug dealers are distributing enticing advertising in their letter boxes or online. Is it? Or standing over them with a glass pipe saying "Smoke! Or I kill you."

 

Get real and if you think that other people cannot take responsibility for their lives, then is it highly likely that you cannot do so yourself. You need the state to impose its guidelines upon you, because you cannot do it yourself.

 

When the whole of modern society wakes up to the fact that legalising drugs is the only way to educate people properly about their dangers and pleasures, we will have a more balanced society less dependent on the most dangerous substance on earth. Alcohol.

Wakey wakey people.

Duh? When people do not have money for the drugs they crave, they commit crimes (often involving violence) to obtain the money. How will legalising the drugs stop that?  Alcohol is legal but the violence continues.

Tobacco is legal but with huge bad health effects.  Think outside the square. There is not a simplistic solution.

 

[off road pat]

18 hours ago, Maggusoil said:

Nobody destroys anybody else's life. People with their own malice and aforethought, seek out drug dealers to buy the substances they want. If they then destroy their lives, it is their choice. Or as is the case, as many do, they imbibe a bit on a Saturday night and stay substance free the rest of the week.               Freely chosen, with the risks calculated.

It is not as if the drug dealers are distributing enticing advertising in their letter boxes or online. Is it? Or standing over them with a glass pipe saying "Smoke! Or I kill you."

 

Get real and if you think that other people cannot take responsibility for their lives, then is it highly likely that you cannot do so yourself. You need the state to impose its guidelines upon you, because you cannot do it yourself.

 

When the whole of modern society wakes up to the fact that legalising drugs is the only way to educate people properly about their dangers and pleasures, we will have a more balanced society less dependent on the most dangerous substance on earth. Alcohol.

Wakey wakey people.

This made my day THX !!! Smartest post of the day,..

Best regards !

[Essaybloke]

3 hours ago, lvr181 said:

Duh? When people do not have money for the drugs they crave, they commit crimes (often involving violence) to obtain the money. How will legalising the drugs stop that?  Alcohol is legal but the violence continues.

Tobacco is legal but with huge bad health effects.  Think outside the square. There is not a simplistic solution.

 

Your questions suggest you have not done much research into the issue. First you gotta ask yourself- How well is the current 'War on Drugs' going? Illegal drugs are so expensive because the manufacture, supply and distribution are controlled by criminal gangs. They can charge what they want because the market can sustain that pricing model. There is very, very limited supply and very high demand. Prices go up. Legalizing will put the production, supply and distribution in the hands of registered companies (like the supply of antibiotics for example). Like all 'legal' drugs, their manufacture can be regulated. Price controls can be implemented. Doses can be regulated. Quality assurance can be implemented. Do some homework on the issue. Yes, alcohol is legal but some dickheads get pissed and want to have a blue. But what percentage of alcohol users are we talking about in these cases?  Yes, addiction to alcohol is a problem for a small percentage of users. Should we again ban alcohol (we all know how that ended, huh?) Should we ban prescription drugs because because some people get addicted? Tobacco? What if we ban chocolate? Porn?   Video games? Macca's? We should acknowledge and seek to deal with the fact that there will always be a small percentage of users of anything, who misuse the stuff. 

 

Yes you're right. We should think outside the square. What we're doing now is not working. It hasn't worked since Nixon stepped on the gas in his 'War on Drugs'. Therefore we need to change.  'Legalize and Regulate' must be the next thing we try. It certainly can't be any worse than imprisoning millions around the world because they want to get high, and must be better than executing drug mules, huh?

 

Sorry for banging on like a country vicar!

[lvr181]

4 minutes ago, Essaybloke said:

Your questions suggest you have not done much research into the issue. First you gotta ask yourself- How well is the current 'War on Drugs' going? Illegal drugs are so expensive because the manufacture, supply and distribution are controlled by criminal gangs. They can charge what they want because the market can sustain that pricing model. There is very, very limited supply and very high demand. Prices go up. Legalizing will put the production, supply and distribution in the hands of registered companies (like the supply of antibiotics for example). Like all 'legal' drugs, their manufacture can be regulated. Price controls can be implemented. Doses can be regulated. Quality assurance can be implemented. Do some homework on the issue. Yes, alcohol is legal but some dickheads get pissed and want to have a blue. But what percentage of alcohol users are we talking about in these cases?  Yes, addiction to alcohol is a problem for a small percentage of users. Should we again ban alcohol (we all know how that ended, huh?) Should we ban prescription drugs because because some people get addicted? Tobacco? What if we ban chocolate? Porn?   Video games? Macca's? We should acknowledge and seek to deal with the fact that there will always be a small percentage of users of anything, who misuse the stuff. 

 

Yes you're right. We should think outside the square. What we're doing now is not working. It hasn't worked since Nixon stepped on the gas in his 'War on Drugs'. Therefore we need to change.  'Legalize and Regulate' must be the next thing we try. It certainly can't be any worse than imprisoning millions around the world because they want to get high, and must be better than executing drug mules, huh?

 

Sorry for banging on like a country vicar!

"Sorry for banging on like a country vicar!"  555 

 

My opinion has nothing to do with research (which sometimes only leads to answers that the 'researchers' themselves want to give - much the same as the Prime Minister's 4 questions). I do understand what you're saying regarding the drugs. Yes the users do have free choice. Perhaps they should be locked up (for a indeterminate period of time in order to break their habit) without supporting medicines. Hopefully, this excruciating experience may make them reluctant to take up drug use again.

As for the dealers (or any part of their network) should also be locked up for a VERY long period of time in SOLITARY confinement having confiscated any and all of their assets as well! Give them a chance to think about their greed that has contributed to the downfall of users. Draconian actions, yes. The 'do gooders' will not like it but they haven't come up with any answers either.

Legalising these drugs will not stop the problems! As I stated before, alcohol is legal but it has not stopped the problems, much of which is violence. It has only removed the criminal element (to be replaced by Government creaming off a whole heap of tax). 

Therefore, legalisation is a simplistic approach that has been tried before (alcohol) and has failed. Why do it again?

Thankfully Maccas and chocolate has not made me a violent person. 

And in conclusion , 'country vicar' here endeth my lesson. 

[Essaybloke]

My point was more along the lines that we have tried locking them up. We have tried long periods of solitary. We already confiscate assets. We have even tried executing them. And we're still doing it, all these years later!  It has not worked! 

 

What's wrong with someone wanting to get high? Why do you feel the need to 'break their habit'?  Why should someone else's need to get high be any of your business? You have to accept that some people like to get stoned. Just accept it. I'll bet you like getting pissed now and then! Come on. They can function as normal citizens if we stop demonizing them with our values.

 

We 'do-gooders' have come up with an answer that seems to be better than the current 'answer'.  We must try something new because whatever we are doing right now and have done for 50+ years is simply not working. 

 

Oh well, might go blow a joint with the girlfriend and work on increasing the population by one. ha ha 

[Maggusoil]

12 hours ago, Essaybloke said:

It's not so much that the drug is so bad, it's how the drug is used. The way I and millions of others use alcohol or prescription drugs is perfectly fine. The issues begin when the drugs are misused, of course. I agree with most of what you say but certainly can't agree with your last point (if I understand it correctly). Prohibition simply does not work, and banning something for religious reasons is damned oppression, (notice that they don't ban tobacco for instance). No, more prohibition is not the answer.

No. Not in favour of any prohibition. We need to be educated enough to make our own choices. Or not. The choice should be there. 

[Maggusoil]

11 hours ago, halloween said:

In most western countries, alcohol and tobacco products are heavily taxed to help off set the costs (and more) of abuse. Most of this is paid by recreational users who will never have serious problems.

If all drugs are legalised, would you be prepared to pay similar tax levels to help cover the costs of treatment of abusers? If the taxes were imposed, would users pay them, or go back to their old ways?

If people fall foul of their own abuse, then they should also pay for their own treatment. This is about personal responsibility. Responsible enough to make the choice to imbibe and responsible enough to pay for the result, good bad or indifferent. Nanny statism, is an anachronism and all about not taking responsibility. The brave new world.

[Maggusoil]

9 hours ago, lvr181 said:

Duh? When people do not have money for the drugs they crave, they commit crimes (often involving violence) to obtain the money. How will legalising the drugs stop that?  Alcohol is legal but the violence continues.

Tobacco is legal but with huge bad health effects.  Think outside the square. There is not a simplistic solution.

 

So thinking outside the square? Your thinking please? Duh? High on criticism but short on answers it seems.

 

This is not about solving all crime and when people do not have money for drugs, what percentage commit crimes? Lots of generalised  bits of obvious facts, but no cohesive solutions here in your rant. 

The violence continues because one of the results of drinking is a propensity for violence. The fact that it is legal to obtain is precisely the point. Where is the logic in it?     There isn't any. It is just lobbying for you dollar by big alcohol.

 

By legalising all drugs, the simple fact is that the distribution is taken out of the hands of criminals. You cannot argue that. Its a mere fact. The drugs lose their illicit fun flavour. Opium, grass and other stupefacients help people chill out and write novels. Any humourists out there.

[eggers]

On 28 June 2017 at 11:14 AM, mikiea said:

huh ? wat u smoking ?

 

Nothing..... Have clear mind... Perhaps, you've been on the weed in Huai Kwhang?? 

[lvr181]

On 6/29/2017 at 2:23 AM, Maggusoil said:

So thinking outside the square? Your thinking please? Duh? High on criticism but short on answers it seems.

 

This is not about solving all crime and when people do not have money for drugs, what percentage commit crimes? Lots of generalised  bits of obvious facts, but no cohesive solutions here in your rant. 

The violence continues because one of the results of drinking is a propensity for violence. The fact that it is legal to obtain is precisely the point. Where is the logic in it?     There isn't any. It is just lobbying for you dollar by big alcohol.

 

By legalising all drugs, the simple fact is that the distribution is taken out of the hands of criminals. You cannot argue that. Its a mere fact. The drugs lose their illicit fun flavour. Opium, grass and other stupefacients help people chill out and write novels. Any humourists out there.

"...the distribution is taken out of the hands of criminals. You cannot argue that. Its a mere fact."

Never argued against that. 

But the violence by the users of many drugs remains so to use the same system all over again doesn't really solve anything! I do not know what the solution is.

Edited July 4, 2017 by lvr181
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[Phuketboy]

wow that is a massive haul, so I'm thinking way too big of an operation for a couple of young Thai.  296 kg of crystal meth.  Wholesale price in Aus $35,520,000 with a estimated street value of $88,800,000.  If buying from Asia for a fraction of the price and sending to Australia where even the wholesale price of many drugs is ridiculously priced, is a massive profit.  Only need 1 shipment.    Im thinking there quite a big organisation behind a haul of this size.  

[Maggusoil]

15 hours ago, lvr181 said:

"...the distribution is taken out of the hands of criminals. You cannot argue that. Its a mere fact."

Never argued against that. 

But the violence by the users of many drugs remains so to use the same system all over again doesn't really solve anything! I do not know what the solution is.

The violence is inherent in our nature. The stimulants, e.g. amphetamines, coke, etc can often raise the level, with alcohol being the fuel to lower the inhibitions. That's pretty toxic. Its a very big subject, but the only way to control the manufacturing, distribution and usage is to have it all made legal.           

It rips away the "cool" aura, it takes away the indulgence in the illicit and that sneaky bad little person syndrome, it provides funding for drug education programmes. A role model of this sort of attitude change has made the Marlboro Man an anachronism in this modern age where it is no longer kool to smoke cigarettes and I frequently find smokers apologising to me for lighting up!

Would the Marlboro Man have ever done that?

It takes time to change attitudes. Always keeping in mind that by far the most dangerous of all the drugs, is the one you can buy in the corner store. Alcohol. 

It is hypocritical, particularly in the eyes of the young when their associations with drugs are usually formed, to be hounding the users of marijuana into death penalties, in Asia and elsewhere, for the equivalent of wanting to have a smoke and listen to some music, or enhance other pleasures while the all legal alcohol is readily available and providing the psychological fertiliser, for all manners of aberrant, violent and dangerous behaviours. Including the often fatal, falling asleep at the wheel.

It is all agreed, for sure, any drug can be misused or consumed with other drugs to produce toxic results but if the drug is sold legally, it can come with a warning, such as those that exist on a lot of cigarette packs these days.

We will never lose our desires for pleasure. We will always make mistakes when intoxicated with anything, even joy. For instance the poor young couple recently in the fatal jet ski accident. We cannot rule that out.

The "legal banning" of drugs only goes to make criminals wealthy, who benefit from selling them. Too simple to be true?

Sometimes truths are like that.

It always makes me wonder how many "friends in the business" these politicians have, that are so keen on keeping this idiotic status quo going. The more virulent their attacks in the war on drugs, the more suspicious I am.

[Nowisee]

I really want to add my opinion in here, but a lot of really good content has already been added.  No need to go on and on, as those on here who get it get it.  Light em if you got em.