Cant start building after July 9 ??

[jeab1980]

5 hours ago, kannot said:

Thats right, as a  kid I was exposed to smallpox, ebola, and the black death.............never did me any harm

We will have to completely disagree on that kan nota.a

[ThaiWai]

21 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Probably like being married after 1 year. At least with a GF one can trade up.

Better to go for an atheist with daddy issues.  They sin for a lifetime.  The religious girls are tomcats during the rebellion stage but burn out.

[jeab1980]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

If there's no rush - don't rush! Use the interim period to think carefully about what you really want.

 

You don't say if you already own the land and if you have the building permit in place. I presume you do if you were thinking of starting imminently. If not, have you considered buying a ready built house, a lot less hassle and you can see what you're getting. Also a lot of heavily discounted property for sale around the country.

 

As noted in other posts, a lot of hassle and you need to be on site daily if you're going to build your own. You need a lot of patience and a leathery tongue that doesn't suffer the teeth marks from frequent biting.....

 

I asked another foreigner in HomeMart - are you having fun?, he let rip a tirade of frustrated rantings. At least we had a good laugh about it to lighten the mood.

 

Think hard and long!

 

 

What a load of horse manure you talk. 

1. He cant own the land.

2. Building permit? Depends where you build. 

3. Buying a ready built you have no idea of what construction material is in it here and wethere footings are correctly dug.

4. Far cheaper to be on site and build your own house.

5. You need to be on site to tell the builders how you want it and to source materials a dam site cheaper than the builders would. 

6. Nothing to think long and hard about. Do the homework do the maths. Hold the budget.  Project manage thevend resultbis always better than a ready built gated crap property.

IMHO OF COURSE. Other opinions are available. 

[Tofer]

16 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

What a load of horse manure you talk. 

1. He cant own the land.

2. Building permit? Depends where you build. 

3. Buying a ready built you have no idea of what construction material is in it here and wethere footings are correctly dug.

4. Far cheaper to be on site and build your own house.

5. You need to be on site to tell the builders how you want it and to source materials a dam site cheaper than the builders would. 

6. Nothing to think long and hard about. Do the homework do the maths. Hold the budget.  Project manage thevend resultbis always better than a ready built gated crap property.

IMHO OF COURSE. Other opinions are available. 

I'll forgive the insult this time. So late you've probably had too much 'sauce' already to think or type straight.... Quite frankly I can't be bothered to respond to such blinkered drivel.

[Tofer]

31 minutes ago, jeab1980 said:

What a load of horse manure you talk. 

1. He cant own the land.

2. Building permit? Depends where you build. 

3. Buying a ready built you have no idea of what construction material is in it here and wethere footings are correctly dug.

4. Far cheaper to be on site and build your own house.

5. You need to be on site to tell the builders how you want it and to source materials a dam site cheaper than the builders would. 

6. Nothing to think long and hard about. Do the homework do the maths. Hold the budget.  Project manage thevend resultbis always better than a ready built gated crap property.

IMHO OF COURSE. Other opinions are available. 

Second thoughts,

1. If you read the OP he's building with his wife, whom I presume is Thai, and can own land.

2. Khon Kaen, and yes maybe it does depend exactly where - doesn't mean they don't have to check it out. I didn't tell him he had to have one, I asked if he had one - there is a difference, read it properly!!

3. So you've never lived in a ready built house / apartment. BS. All one needs is a modicum of common sense, a brain and a pair of eyes to see what's in front of them. If they are not clever enough to judge the quality of a ready built they are not clever enough to know if what's been built before their eyes is adequate. Unless of course they are qualified structural engineers, architects, roofers, joiners, plumbers and electricians. I've seen many properties that are quite frankly unsalable because of poor design, bad locations and amateur construction. I presume then you never expect to be able to sell your house, as nobody would be so stupid as to buy a ready built house?

4.Not necessarily, I've seen properties offered at less than cost in distressed sales.

5. You think you can buy materials cheaper than a Thai builder, in your dreams!

6. Who said it had to be a 'gated crap property'.

 

Nothing humble about your opinion, that's for sure.

[Tofer]

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

If you listen to women in general about anything you will never finish 

Chauvinist p...k. 

 

I'm sorry for your impediment, perhaps you should get out more and socialise with  women with something between their ears not just their legs.

[Alantct]

Second thoughts,
1. If you read the OP he's building with his wife, whom I presume is Thai, and can own land.
2. Khon Kaen, and yes maybe it does depend exactly where - doesn't mean they don't have to check it out. I didn't tell him he had to have one, I asked if he had one - there is a difference, read it properly!!
3. So you've never lived in a ready built house / apartment. BS. All one needs is a modicum of common sense, a brain and a pair of eyes to see what's in front of them. If they are not clever enough to judge the quality of a ready built they are not clever enough to know if what's been built before their eyes is adequate. Unless of course they are qualified structural engineers, architects, roofers, joiners, plumbers and electricians. I've seen many properties that are quite frankly unsalable because of poor design, bad locations and amateur construction. I presume then you never expect to be able to sell your house, as nobody would be so stupid as to buy a ready built house?
4.Not necessarily, I've seen properties offered at less than cost in distressed sales.
5. You think you can buy materials cheaper than a Thai builder, in your dreams!
6. Who said it had to be a 'gated crap property'.
 
Nothing humble about your opinion, that's for sure.

Got to disagree with you regarding the ready build.
No amount of common sense is gonna see the turd your gonna buy. You can see the skin but you can't see the skeleton. I have had to repair dozens of faulty houses over the years that had problems you couldn't see no matter how hard you looked. No way in hell I would buy a pre build especially in Thailand.
Foundation issues,
Land fill issues
Termites in the timber under the house
Poor pipe work under the house or in the walls
Poor insulation.
Badly cured or prepared concrete.
Incorrect rebar.
The list is endless.

With regards to materials, you are spot on.
No way is any Falang getting anything cheaper than a Thai. Even with a thai wife he will still not get good deals.
As a builder (with Thai partner) we get trade discounts and Thai discount. As a layman you will get neither and you also won't have a clue what a good price is in the first place to even try to get a discount.






Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Alantct]

What a load of horse manure you talk. 
1. He cant own the land.
2. Building permit? Depends where you build. 
3. Buying a ready built you have no idea of what construction material is in it here and wethere footings are correctly dug.
4. Far cheaper to be on site and build your own house.
5. You need to be on site to tell the builders how you want it and to source materials a dam site cheaper than the builders would. 
6. Nothing to think long and hard about. Do the homework do the maths. Hold the budget.  Project manage thevend resultbis always better than a ready built gated crap property.
IMHO OF COURSE. Other opinions are available. 

His wife can own the land so the argument is irrelevant.

Building permits are rarely needed unless your in somewhere like BKK or building a condo.

Ready build i agree, no way anyone should buy a ready build in Thailand. Way too many unknowns as I mention in another post above.

Do you mean s on site and build your own as in have a builder do it with you there or build your own as in do the work yourself with a few mushers that have little experience?
If so , bad idea.
Get a good builder and either be on site for supervision or have the builder do daily video and photo updates.

You will not source materials cheaper than your builder. No chance no way never.

Unless your a qualified builder yourself how do you plan on project managing?
Would you know a ringbeam from a roof beam or gypsum from silicone?
Too many Google experts think they know how to build a house.
Trust me, you don't.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[jeab1980]

7 hours ago, Tofer said:

Chauvinist p...k. 

 

I'm sorry for your impediment, perhaps you should get out more and socialise with  women with something between their ears not just their legs.

Ha ha ha someones got the  Gstring in a twist. 

Have you finished your torrent of drivel now. Feel better for it do you. Lol. My my .

[jeab1980]

 Just a note when we  was building our house we sourced all the materials  barring the ready made concrete as we had a family member working for a company. I with my wife got the materials at the same prices or cheaper than our builder he even acknowledged this. Reason simple. Builder will normaly use one source who find him what he wants they give a kick back to builder for using them. The only thing that cost us more was the roof as we went to an accredited and reffered to us by customers store.

[Alantct]

 Just a note when we  was building our house we sourced all the materials  barring the ready made concrete as we had a family member working for a company. I with my wife got the materials at the same prices or cheaper than our builder he even acknowledged this. Reason simple. Builder will normaly use one source who find him what he wants they give a kick back to builder for using them. The only thing that cost us more was the roof as we went to an accredited and reffered to us by customers store.

 

 

No idea where you got your information regarding builders using one source and getting kickbacks but it's rubbish.

I don't know one builder in Thailand that only uses one source and there are many reasons for this.

The first and most obvious being that builders build all over the place and if you think they are going to go to the same supplier that's a few hundred km out of their way to get a few baht kickback then your crazy.

Second, many builders price by the job so it's in their own best interest to source materials as cheaply as possible as it comes off their own bottom line.

Thirdly, if your builder is telling you that you got things cheaper than he would have then you need to hire a new builder as he is obviously a scammer, a liar or just to lazy to shop around.

[emoji23]

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[khunPer]

11 hours ago, Alantct said:

You will not source materials cheaper than your builder. No chance no way never.

Unless your a qualified builder yourself how do you plan on project managing?
Would you know a ringbeam from a roof beam or gypsum from silicone?
Too many Google experts think they know how to build a house.
Trust me, you don't.

I Need to say that it can be done – because I did it – even I had never build a house before...

 

I managed to do it all, even the "architect"-drawings, including detailed electric circuits, with pencil on German-quality millimeter-paper, but used a real Thai architect to transfer my drawings to computer prints, and make the steel calculations for my specified posts and foundation (all fitted perfect, he said), for the building permission application;

I got materials cheaper than my Thai building constructor could, negotiated with the suppliers – he was so surprised of the prices I got, that he wanted me to be partner in his business – many Thais says, that's when some give them "a good price", it's impolite to ask someone else, as they already got "a good price", but I'm farang, so I can politely say from the beginning that I'll ask for two or three quotes;

I did project managing, but had a Thai building constructor for the basic cement and brick construction, but not the roof, which Cement Thai could do better and cheaper, and for all the finishing I was foreman and manager myself;

I don't know what a ringbeam is, or the difference to a roof beam, but I can however tell the difference between gypsum and silicone;

I didn't use Google, but I read a book about building a house in Thailand, before I started, written by another farang trying to build a house at Koh Tao (an island nearby me) being his own project manager, extremely useful book, and by the way, he also succeeded;

So trust me, because he and I did it, it can be done, and we were both successful...

 

There are other posts of mine in various threads about house construction in Thai Visa Forum, mentioning more details about my construction, where I'm replying to specific questions that I managed to get little knowledge about from my own "amazing" experiment, happy to help others by sharing...

 

I shall add, that it require a lot of effort and time to do it yourself; if don't have that, don't; instead hire a project manager and a building constructor that speaks a language you can communicate in...

 

7 years after finishing the house still stand strong, and in very good condition, which is a lot better condition than my neighbor's houses of about same age, one of them even used project manager and an expensive farang building constructor – must be because of excellent contact with the various ghosts and spirits, and beginning building on the right day; just mentioned not to be too off topic...

[jeab1980]

5 hours ago, Alantct said:

 

 

No idea where you got your information regarding builders using one source and getting kickbacks but it's rubbish.

I don't know one builder in Thailand that only uses one source and there are many reasons for this.

The first and most obvious being that builders build all over the place and if you think they are going to go to the same supplier that's a few hundred km out of their way to get a few baht kickback then your crazy.

Second, many builders price by the job so it's in their own best interest to source materials as cheaply as possible as it comes off their own bottom line.

Thirdly, if your builder is telling you that you got things cheaper than he would have then you need to hire a new builder as he is obviously a scammer, a liar or just to lazy to shop around.

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your information is rubish my friend. If you pay a builder for he work and material your mad.

You realy have no idea at all have you.

[Alantct]

I Need to say that it can be done – because I did it – even I had never build a house before...

 

I managed to do it all, even the "architect"-drawings, including detailed electric circuits, with pencil on German-quality millimeter-paper, but used a real Thai architect to transfer my drawings to computer prints, and make the steel calculations for my specified posts and foundation (all fitted perfect, he said), for the building permission application;

I got materials cheaper than my Thai building constructor could, negotiated with the suppliers – he was so surprised of the prices I got, that he wanted me to be partner in his business – many Thais says, that's when some give them "a good price", it's impolite to ask someone else, as they already got "a good price", but I'm farang, so I can politely say from the beginning that I'll ask for two or three quotes;

I did project managing, but had a Thai building constructor for the basic cement and brick construction, but not the roof, which Cement Thai could do better and cheaper, and for all the finishing I was foreman and manager myself;

I don't know what a ringbeam is, or the difference to a roof beam, but I can however tell the difference between gypsum and silicone;

I didn't use Google, but I read a book about building a house in Thailand, before I started, written by another farang trying to build a house at Koh Tao (an island nearby me) being his own project manager, extremely useful book, and by the way, he also succeeded;

So trust me, because he and I did it, it can be done, and we were both successful...

 

There are other posts of mine in various threads about house construction in Thai Visa Forum, mentioning more details about my construction, where I'm replying to specific questions that I managed to get little knowledge about from my own "amazing" experiment, happy to help others by sharing...

 

I shall add, that it require a lot of effort and time to do it yourself; if don't have that, don't; instead hire a project manager and a building constructor that speaks a language you can communicate in...

 

7 years after finishing the house still stand strong, and in very good condition, which is a lot better condition than my neighbor's houses of about same age, one of them even used project manager and an expensive farang building constructor – must be because of excellent contact with the various ghosts and spirits, and beginning building on the right day; just mentioned not to be too off topic...

 

 

So you used a qualified architect to do the important calculations and a qualified builder for the cement and brickwork, maybe my understanding of the words "doing it alone" and yours mean different things [emoji6]

I worry for the future of your home if you did in fact build a house without knowing what a ringbeam is.

7 years in life terms on a house is nothing.

 

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Alantct]

Your information is rubish my friend. If you pay a builder for he work and material your mad.
You realy have no idea at all have you.

Enough of an idea to have built 48 houses, 14 pools, 3 shops, a school , at least 20 repairs and refits of homes built by rookies or cowboys and numerous walls and minor constructions in Thailand not to mention working for some of the biggest companies in the uk on condos, office blocks and shipping centres.

Enough of an idea to have 48 happy clients in Thailand.

Enough of an idea to have clients booking me a year in advance.

Enough of an idea to have built contracts in the 10's of millions.

By all means go with your illusion that I have no idea. I am happy to get plenty of work from failed weekend builder projects.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[khunPer]

3 minutes ago, Alantct said:

 

 

So you used a qualified architect and a qualified builder, maybe my understanding of the words "doing it alone" and yours mean different things
I worry for the future of your home if you did in fact build a house without knowing what a ringbeam is.
7 years in life terms on a house is nothing.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

If you read my post, you'll see I used a Thai building constructor for basics only, and an architect for prints only – "trust me", 7-years can be (very) long time for a Thai house with roof leaks and other major faults, even it's drawn by a well reputed architect that has monitored the construction, and it's build by an alien-controlled construction company with a foreigner as project manager – building constructors often sub-contract (but may give the workers a t-shirt with company name, so they appear like company-staff), so did I (but no t-shirts), so I was my own master to chose who should make my cement, and my brick-work, my steel and roof, my tiles, my electrics, my doors, my woodwork, my paint jobs, my water pumps, and my outdoor Jacuzzi (mini pool), etc. etc.

 

Don't worry, my house will presumably last longer than many houses around it, as it's build very strong with good materials, and care has been taken for cement curing...

 

Can I kindly presume you're a building constructor, and therefor prefer folks don't do it themselves...

 

 

[jeab1980]

33 minutes ago, Alantct said:

 

Enough of an idea to have built 48 houses, 14 pools, 3 shops, a school , at least 20 repairs and refits of homes built by rookies or cowboys and numerous walls and minor constructions in Thailand not to mention working for some of the biggest companies in the uk on condos, office blocks and shipping centres.

Enough of an idea to have 48 happy clients in Thailand.

Enough of an idea to have clients booking me a year in advance.

Enough of an idea to have built contracts in the 10's of millions.

By all means go with your illusion that I have no idea. I am happy to get plenty of work from failed weekend builder projects.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Oh a building expert i see good there's lots of experts on here. You are either one of two thing. You know which one no need to list them. You carry on your deluded make belive world. 

[Alantct]

If you read my post, you'll see I used a Thai building constructor for basics only, and an architect for prints only – "trust me", 7-years can be (very) long time for a Thai house with roof leaks and other major faults, even it's drawn by a well reputed architect that has monitored the construction, and it's build by an alien-controlled construction company with a foreigner as project manager – building constructors often sub-contract (but may give the workers a t-shirt with company name, so they appear like company-staff), so did I (but no t-shirts), so I was my own master to chose who should make my cement, and my brick-work, my steel and roof, my tiles, my electrics, my doors, my woodwork, my paint jobs, my water pumps, and my outdoor Jacuzzi (mini pool), etc. etc.
 
Don't worry, my house will presumably last longer than many houses around it, as it's build very strong with good materials, and care has been taken for cement curing...
 
Can I kindly presume you're a building constructor, and therefor prefer folks don't do it themselves...
 
 

But you didn't do it yourself you hired an architect to calculate the most important steel calculations.( your words)
You used a builder to build the cement and block work (your words)
And now you say above that you hired people to do everything from electrics to woodwork [emoji23]
So u basically hired construction people to build your house while you watched.
Um where I come from that's called employing construction professionals to do the job for you .
Which is what I said from the start [emoji6]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Alantct]

Oh a building expert i see good there's lots of experts on here. You are either one of two thing. You know which one no need to list them. You carry on your deluded make belive world. 

I am one of one thing...
I am a qualified skilled trained construction worker, a university graduate, with a degree in civil engineering, I hold city and guilds in electrical engineering, i am a qualified plasterer and bricklayer, with over 35 years in the trade.

Yes mate I am the deluded one [emoji23][emoji23]
I think u need to look in the Troll mirror.
Your making yourself look silly now with these pointless comments that make no sense whatsoever.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Dumbastheycome]

On 7/3/2017 at 7:43 PM, Tofer said:

If there's no rush - don't rush! Use the interim period to think carefully about what you really want.

 

You don't say if you already own the land and if you have the building permit in place. I presume you do if you were thinking of starting imminently. If not, have you considered buying a ready built house, a lot less hassle and you can see what you're getting. Also a lot of heavily discounted property for sale around the country.

 

As noted in other posts, a lot of hassle and you need to be on site daily if you're going to build your own. You need a lot of patience and a leathery tongue that doesn't suffer the teeth marks from frequent biting.....

 

I asked another foreigner in HomeMart - are you having fun?, he let rip a tirade of frustrated rantings. At least we had a good laugh about it to lighten the mood.

 

Think hard and long!

 

 

Building  permit?

Aside  from, yes  some patience  IS  a requirement. But   no more  or less  so  in  many western locations . Simply that the  patience  need  be applied  to  a different aspect. Genuine  diplomacy  and  respect  for  the best  efforts  achieves  much  more  than  any  tirade  regardless if possibly   justified.

Life  is a  learning  curve  in general. lol

[khunPer]

1 hour ago, Alantct said:

 

 

But you didn't do it yourself you hired an architect to calculate the most important steel calculations.( your words)
You used a builder to build the cement and block work (your words)
And now you say above that you hired people to do everything from electrics to woodwork
So u basically hired construction people to build your house while you watched.
Um where I come from that's called employing construction professionals to do the job for you .
Which is what I said from the start


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

 

Not "important steel calculations" but »to transfer my drawings to computer prints, and make the steel calculations for my specified posts and foundation (all fitted perfect, he said), for the building permission application«.

But I'll let you have the last word – but just like any building constructor will subcontract or hire professionals, instead of the building constructor owner alone lay all bricks, and twist all electrical wires himself, and glue all pipes, etc.  etc. (a farang is by the way not professionally allowed that in Thailand) – I was the so-called "project manger" on my own private house construction...

[sirineou]

I am in the camp of those who would not buy a previously build house in Thailand.

Even with inspections and strictly enforced codes in the west we still have problems,  With out any of this you are looking for trouble.

If concrete is sitting too long in a truck, would a builder send it back and eat the loss, or will he put more water and use it?

What would you do if you were the builder and nobody was supervising.

I you were loosing money will you cut corners of will you eat it?

even if you are a moral person, and think you are doing the right thing as many Thai builders are, what don't they know.Worst yet, what don't they know they don't know?

When I was doing the perimeter fence wall in our property, I asked them not to lay the steel on the ground in the footings and to keep it at least half inch inside the pour, and kindly had the wife explain to them why.

then I noticed they were purring sticks on the wall of the form to keep the steel away from it. What would happen when the wood eventual rotted and water found its way in to the steel, the steel rusted , expanded and cracked the concrete?

How would you know after it was rendered?

if the concrete is not properly vibrated and there is honey combing , how would you know? 

electrical, plumbing nightmares I can co on and on.  

 

 

[Alantct]

Not "important steel calculations" but »to transfer my drawings to computer prints, and make the steel calculations for my specified posts and foundation (all fitted perfect, he said), for the building permission application«.

But I'll let you have the last word – but just like any building constructor will subcontract or hire professionals, instead of the building constructor owner alone lay all bricks, and twist all electrical wires himself, and glue all pipes, etc.  etc. (a farang is by the way not professionally allowed that in Thailand) – I was the so-called "project manger" on my own private house construction...

You can play on words all u like but the fact is you did not build your own house. To say you did is the equivalent to a guy eating food in a restaurant that he saw the food being cooked in and calling himself the chef.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Alantct]

I am in the camp of those who would not buy a previously build house in Thailand.
Even with inspections and strictly enforced codes in the west we still have problems,  With out any of this you are looking for trouble.
If concrete is sitting too long in a truck, would a builder send it back and eat the loss, or will he put more water and use it?
What would you do if you were the builder and nobody was supervising.
I you were loosing money will you cut corners of will you eat it?
even if you are a moral person, and think you are doing the right thing as many Thai builders are, what don't they know.Worst yet, what don't they know they don't know?
When I was doing the perimeter fence wall in our property, I asked them not to lay the steel on the ground in the footings and to keep it at least half inch inside the pour, and kindly had the wife explain to them why.
then I noticed they were purring sticks on the wall of the form to keep the steel away from it. What would happen when the wood eventual rotted and water found its way in to the steel, the steel rusted , expanded and cracked the concrete?
How would you know after it was rendered?
if the concrete is not properly vibrated and there is honey combing , how would you know? 
electrical, plumbing nightmares I can co on and on.  
 
 

Finally...
Someone who gets it [emoji106]


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Crossy]

OK, enough, we are so far off topic it's over the horizon and our OP has several answers.

 

To prevent further angst this is closed.