Yingluck rules out sister taking over as Pheu Thai leader

[halloween]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Now it is "Prayuth thinks, the constitution  acts". Do you think it is better? At least Thai people had a say,. They could decide if they wanted to vote for Thaksin's party or not.

And that's it? The current situation is not to your liking, so let's go back to having rich criminals buy their way to the highest office? Or do we accept the temporary situation to achieve change?

 

Actually, it doesn't matter if you accept it or not, change is coming.

[JAG]

 

He should be absolved of a criminal conviction (with no doubt whatever that he had broke a serious law). How's that?

 

Are you also suggesting he should be absolved from the other 15 serious cases not yet heard?

 

Your attitudes just reinforce what's wrong with respect for the law in this country. 

The presence of a general who staged a coup as self appointed Prime Minister, with a cabinet overwhelmingly drawn from his military cronies, backed up by a "National Legislative Assembly" similarly packed with the military and their supporters has nothing to do with respect for law in this country? Arbitrary detention at the whim of the local military commander and trial in camera in military courts with no appeal has nothing to do with respect for law in this country? Ludicrously savage sentences on trumped up politically motivated charges have nothing to do with respect for law in this country? Levying finacial penalties on a trial defendant using administrative decrees whilst they are still standing trial, and have yet to have a verdict delivered has nothing to do with respect for law in this country? Rule by decree (section 44) has nothing to do with respect for law in this country? I

 

There is no respect for law in this country because a military junta, beholden to a small extremely wealthy clique, have committed possibly the most egregious of crimes. They have stolen the government of the country and with it the rights of the people (enshrined in successive constitutions) to choose who governs them.

 

[ubonjoe]

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[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

And that's it? The current situation is not to your liking, so let's go back to having rich criminals buy their way to the highest office? Or do we accept the temporary situation to achieve change?

 

Actually, it doesn't matter if you accept it or not, change is coming.

So I take it that you endorse the current situation and the plotting by wealthy criminals with the military and seizing of power. Just want to be clear of your moral position. 

[Yann55]

 I know that photos can be treacherous, but the look on that lady's face (the one on the right hand side) is a sum of everything that's to be disliked and feared in a politician ... Interestingly she's the ones who most resembles Thaksin himself.

 

A weasel is the comparison that springs to mind, but that's not nice for weasels.

Edited July 8, 2017 by Yann55

[Artisi]

14 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

He should be absolved of a criminal conviction (with no doubt whatever that he had broke a serious law). How's that?

 

Are you also suggesting he should be absolved from the other 15 serious cases not yet heard?

 

Your attitudes just reinforce what's wrong with respect for the law in this country. 

It's not the law, it's the way it is applied or should that be - not applied. 

[scorecard]

46 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

So I take it that you endorse the current situation and the plotting by wealthy criminals with the military and seizing of power. Just want to be clear of your moral position. 

 

Moral position?

 

Your position and objectives are very clear - total support for an immoral unethical criminal and his scaly family. 

[Artisi]

47 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

So I take it that you endorse the current situation and the plotting by wealthy criminals with the military and seizing of power. Just want to be clear of your moral position. 

Is it any different than previously when wealthy criminals brought their way to power, don't see real moral conflict there. 

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Is it any different than previously when wealthy criminals brought their way to power, don't see real moral conflict there. 

Off course different. Vast difference. The people mandate matters. Their voices being heard and respected. Taking away people right to decide their leaders is morally wrong. Those who side the seizure and snatching power from an elected government are morally bankrupt. Elected governments are accountable to the people and the electorate will vote them out if their accountablilty is put into question. Coup and military government is just the opposite. Military has seized power of almost all elected governments in Thai history since 1932. It has little to do with Thaksin but lot to do with the corrupt military refusal to relinquish power and wealth on the behest of a few elites.  

[halloween]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Off course different. Vast difference. The people mandate matters. Their voices being heard and respected. Taking away people right to decide their leaders is morally wrong. Those who side the seizure and snatching power from an elected government are morally bankrupt. Elected governments are accountable to the people and the electorate will vote them out if their accountablilty is put into question. Coup and military government is just the opposite. Military has seized power of almost all elected governments in Thai history since 1932. It has little to do with Thaksin but lot to do with the corrupt military refusal to relinquish power and wealth on the behest of a few elites.  

So you are saying popular criminals should be immune from prosecution? Abuse of office is OK because they were elected?

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

So you are saying popular criminals should be immune from prosecution? Abuse of office is OK because they were elected?

How is that so. Thaksin has been convicted and Yingluck charged, asset seized and banned 5 years and her ministers are in court. The constitution courts and the NACC working earnestly to prosecute them in line with their agenda. Meanwhile, popular criminals like Suthep and Ahbisit who have been charged with various crimes have been 'immune' from prosecution. Wait for it, the mother of all immunity; the military protected themselves with amnesty, armed themselves with A44 and threatened those who speak out of their corruptions. So tell me who is abusing their power and office, wise one. 

[halloween]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

How is that so. Thaksin has been convicted and Yingluck charged, asset seized and banned 5 years and her ministers are in court. The constitution courts and the NACC working earnestly to prosecute them in line with their agenda. Meanwhile, popular criminals like Suthep and Ahbisit who have been charged with various crimes have been 'immune' from prosecution. Wait for it, the mother of all immunity; the military protected themselves with amnesty, armed themselves with A44 and threatened those who speak out of their corruptions. So tell me who is abusing their power and office, wise one. 

And you think the Shinawatras would have been prosecuted while in office? Pull the other one Eric.

BTW which definition of perjury do you accept, the dictionary or Tarit's?

[halloween]

When I first read the headline, I hoped she was talking about the Whopper. Her warm smile, charm and charisma would be instant vote-winners.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, halloween said:

And you think the Shinawatras would have been prosecuted while in office? Pull the other one Eric.

BTW which definition of perjury do you accept, the dictionary or Tarit's?

Why not? Check the history. 

And the military staging coups and beyond prosecution? What about that.

Crimes like authorizing the military to use live ammo and corruption in the police station project and the Phuket land corruption cases need no definition. 

[Artisi]

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Off course different. Vast difference. The people mandate matters. Their voices being heard and respected. Taking away people right to decide their leaders is morally wrong. Those who side the seizure and snatching power from an elected government are morally bankrupt. Elected governments are accountable to the people and the electorate will vote them out if their accountablilty is put into question. Coup and military government is just the opposite. Military has seized power of almost all elected governments in Thai history since 1932. It has little to do with Thaksin but lot to do with the corrupt military refusal to relinquish power and wealth on the behest of a few elites.  

People don't mandate anything when bought, they are conned into rubber stamping the criminal activities of the criminals who believe they have the right to plunder and rape at will. Thinking otherwise is BS. 

[halloween]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Why not? Check the history. 

And the military staging coups and beyond prosecution? What about that.

Crimes like authorizing the military to use live ammo and corruption in the police station project and the Phuket land corruption cases need no definition. 

You neglected to answer about your definition of perjury.

[Eric Loh]

Just now, halloween said:

You neglected to answer about your definition of perjury.

No perjury. Only you say perjury. Cases were investigated and charges filed in accordance to proper procedure. You have any legal basis to claim perjury?

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Artisi said:

People don't mandate anything when bought, they are conned into rubber stamping the criminal activities of the criminals who believe they have the right to plunder and rape at will. Thinking otherwise is BS. 

You have proof of that or just your normal bs. 

[halloween]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

No perjury. Only you say perjury. Cases were investigated and charges filed in accordance to proper procedure. You have any legal basis to claim perjury?

Yes I do. Yingluk standing up in court and claiming her brother's assets transferred to her actually belonged to her, and a judge declaring that was BS. What do you call that?

Then "bought and paid for" Tarit claimed that lying under oath was not perjury if you were not the defendant. Do you accept that definition?

How can someone be prosecuted in office when they are able to "buy" police to ignore blatant offences and press false charges to harass the opposition? do you deny that happened?

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, halloween said:

Yes I do. Yingluk standing up in court and claiming her brother's assets transferred to her actually belonged to her, and a judge declaring that was BS. What do you call that?

Then "bought and paid for" Tarit claimed that lying under oath was not perjury if you were not the defendant. Do you accept that definition?

How can someone be prosecuted in office when they are able to "buy" police to ignore blatant offences and press false charges to harass the opposition? do you deny that happened?

I am sure you have all the legal evidence to back up what you say or just your prejudice and insane hatred of the Shin and maybe some jealousy of their popularity and winning every elections.

[Artisi]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You have proof of that or just your normal bs. 

Come on now, which parallel world do you live in? 

[halloween]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I am sure you have all the legal evidence to back up what you say or just your prejudice and insane hatred of the Shin and maybe some jealousy of their popularity and winning every elections.

That's right  Eric, in your mind the Shinawatras have never committed a crime. People who say they have are prejudiced, insane and jealous - that would be most of the world.

[Artisi]

18 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

I am basically ambivalent when it comes to Thai politics, but the best thing the Pheu Thai party could do would be to make Khunying Sudarat the leader as Monthatip is a Shinawatra and Seripisut is a retired Police General.

K.Sudarat has the most credibility with her long association with P.T. That in itself may be a handicap though.

I have met Khunying Sudarat on a number of occasions, nice lady, hard as nails behind the scenes and as red as they come to the point she should be family. 

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Come on now, which parallel world do you live in? 

Actually the normal world where universal suffrage like the right to vote, express and freedom to chose are respected plus universal values like human rights are not abused. Which dimension are you in?

[maxpower]

18 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Actually the normal world where universal suffrage like the right to vote, express and freedom to chose are respected plus universal values like human rights are not abused. Which dimension are you in?

We apologize for the delay. Your opposition is frantically searching Google for more ammunition.

[scorecard]

54 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I am sure you have all the legal evidence to back up what you say or just your prejudice and insane hatred of the Shin and maybe some jealousy of their popularity and winning every elections.

 

Give it up el, your way outside your depth.

 

"...jealousy of their popularity and winning every elections...."  Your way off the thread (normal for you) and how many times you going to throw in this stuff which has been well disputed a million times?

 

But never mind, your choice to stay with your silly nations that the shins are perfect. 

Edited July 8, 2017 by scorecard

[Artisi]

49 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Actually the normal world where universal suffrage like the right to vote, express and freedom to chose are respected plus universal values like human rights are not abused. Which dimension are you in?

In Thailand and you? 

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, Artisi said:

In Thailand and you? 

In Thailand for more than a decade and believing in universal suffrage and hopeful that the people of Thailand will finally get their country back from a small group of elites   & politicians back by the military.

[Artisi]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

In Thailand for more than a decade and believing in universal suffrage and hopeful that the people of Thailand will finally get their country back from a small group of elites   & politicians back by the military.

One day, and sooner the better but I don't believe in miracles, with so many elites and bent politicians. 

[Baerboxer]

23 hours ago, greenchair said:

Oh rubbish. The people vote them in. Over and over the people vote them in. 

And quite frankly why shouldn't he be absolved. He paid 37 billion already. The man is adored and the people wanted him back. 

 

Er, how about because he jumped bail, got off a couple of charges on strange rulings, and has 15 plus serious cases waiting.

 

Like the Krungthai bank fraud where co-defendants already found guilty and sentenced to imprisonment for some length.

 

Why should he be "absolved"  just because he can afford to own his own political party?