PM lashes out over military’s reputation in human trafficking scandal

[YetAnother]

16 hours ago, webfact said:

Prayut asked people not to blame the entire military for the trafficking crimes while referencing the former Army general.

well then , dont f**king do it

[YetAnother]

nice leadership "lashing out',"furiously".....

[lvr181]

Denial and the 'blame game' (like leadership) starts from the top..............    I am reminded of Ostriches with their heads buried in the sand.

 

And the only 'reform' we hear about is to put a miniscule much publicised stop to buying positions in the top echelons of the RTP.   Third world country and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

 

My condolences to the decent (but powerless) citizens of Thailand. 

[hansnl]

17 hours ago, darksidedog said:

If he had an ounce of decency, he would simply accept the verdict and the sentencing, as something positive and use it as a foundation upon which to improve matters. The very fact the trial is happening is good news, in that it shows that trafficking is no longer acceptable. Instead he harps on about reputation and image, which are in such a sorry state, there is little point defending them. he really doesn't have a strong grasp on reality.

I am afraid for you, his grasp of reality is much better and more informed as your grasp can ever be.

He realises very much this business is not good for the image of the army.

That is why he is trying to minimise the fallout for the army and the country

Any good politician should do that.

[lvr181]

9 minutes ago, hansnl said:

I am afraid for you, his grasp of reality is much better and more informed as your grasp can ever be.

He realises very much this business is not good for the image of the army.

That is why he is trying to minimise the fallout for the army and the country

Any good politician should do that.

He is petulant  

 

Of course he is trying to protect his Army, but no need to do so if people weren't so suspicious of Army activities (although I believe they are still 100% better than the RTP).

 

But why is it that he cannot bring about real reform of the RTP? They are the worm in the rotten apple that pervades so much of Thai society! Is he powerless or just afraid to do so?  Very quick to play heavy handed with some girl twerking but with real corruption he does little or nothing.

[YetAnother]

33 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

But why is it that he cannot bring about real reform of the RTP? They are the worm in the rotten apple that pervades so much of Thai society! Is he powerless or just afraid to do so? 

accurate assessment; some talk a while ago. that i tend to agree with, that the police have so much dirt on the army that the army will not act on them

[stephen tracy]

2 hours ago, hansnl said:

I am afraid for you, his grasp of reality is much better and more informed as your grasp can ever be.

He realises very much this business is not good for the image of the army.

That is why he is trying to minimise the fallout for the army and the country

Any good politician should do that.

In order to exercise effective damage control one must have a basic understanding of PR, which the PM does not.  Instead he his just trying to pass the buck. 

[Srikcir]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

" .... Manas is just part of [the network],”

Not quite like the Rubber Farmers Network.

"Lieutenant-general Manas Kongpan has been charged with being a major in the lucrative trade smuggling kingpin."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-24/thailand-indicts-72-human-trafficking-suspects/6646666

So where is the rest of the kingpin's network and why aren't they being prosecuted? Manus ran his human trafficking operations while being a high level army officer in the military's Internal Security Operations Command (ISOC) that was a counter-insurgency agency located in the Southern Provinces. ISOC continues to operate in the South to this day.

23 hours ago, webfact said:

Manas is just one person.

Again he was a kingpin.

Also arrested were three mid-level army officers in ISOC for human trafficking. http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2015/09/21/1442827280/

Where is their conviction and what is being done to assure that ISOC isn't continuing to be a vehicle for human trafficking?

23 hours ago, webfact said:

Can he ruin the whole Army?”

What about the Navy? Cmd. Kampanart Sangthongchin was the first Royal Thai Navy officer to be accused of engaging in trafficking operations in 2015. Where is his conviction and what is being done to assure that the Navy isn't continuing to be involved in human trafficking?

In September 2015 a man was jailed for 35 years by a southern Thai court for masterminding a smuggling network.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2064986/thai-court-muzzles-media-human-trafficking-defence-begins

 

If Manus is sentenced for any less term, the court will give the perception that Thai justice is preferential to crimes committed by the military. The military says it is always reforming itself and needs no "outside" reformers - let's see that in action.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sandemara]

22 hours ago, Cadbury said:

It might be this person or that person who is going to be blamed but ultimately big cheese General Prayut Chan-o-cha is the Supreme Commander of everything and everyone in Thailand who walks, talks and breathes.....including the military.

 

He allowed it to happen on his watch so the buck stops with him.

It's unfortunate, but the current authorities have created a terrible threat for themselves after having set the precedent about legal consequences for the person in chargs pointed ae of government being legally responsible for everything through their hounding of a former PM for rice policy debacle. 

It's noteworthy that another contributor has pointed out the Thai army was running counter-insurgency operations in the very same areas for more than a decade while the human trafficking offences occurred.  Is turning a blind eye to an army  general's private enterprises deemed complicity?

Intresting times.

[Cadbury]

14 minutes ago, sandemara said:

It's unfortunate, but the current authorities have created a terrible threat for themselves after having set the precedent about legal consequences for the person in chargs pointed ae of government being legally responsible for everything through their hounding of a former PM for rice policy debacle. 

It's noteworthy that another contributor has pointed out the Thai army was running counter-insurgency operations in the very same areas for more than a decade while the human trafficking offences occurred.  Is turning a blind eye to an army  general's private enterprises deemed complicity?

Intresting times.

But that terrible threat you mention is somewhat diminished by the (ab)use of Article 44 by the PM in giving himself and his regime immunity from just about everything they do. Karma will come in time but your point is taken.

 

[lvr181]

1 hour ago, Cadbury said:

But that terrible threat you mention is somewhat diminished by the (ab)use of Article 44 by the PM in giving himself and his regime immunity from just about everything they do. Karma will come in time but your point is taken.

 

About Karma...............