Supreme Court Jails Redshirt Leader Jatuporn For Defaming Former PM

[Pridilives]

17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well, talking of one sided view. Which side threw bombs at court buildings, gave out judges personal phone numbers and addresses, shot at protesters, machine gunned an old lady's house because her daughter blew a whistle at someone's ex-wife, shot a protester in the back of his pick up whilst making an speech, through bombs which killed innocent children and by-standers and then applauded it on stage at a rally etc etc etc?

 

Unfortunately, there doesn't appear side that supports the Thai people, law and order fair to all, free speech, real democracy and not corrupt.

 

Hopefully some new political parties that aren't controlled by the establishment or owned by a crook might be formed.

Hopefully you stop compare apples to oranges. 

 

If let Thai people have choice they choose side they want. What's wrong with that.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Pridilives

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

No. I accept that some blind people just see all red be terrorist. Red just normal people mother or father or daughter or son. Little bit red do some crime but blind people talk all red do crime. I learn not argue blind people because fact not matter them. I read what you write. I see you blind for true and just see what want to see. 1% red do crime you just talk 100% red do crime. Because your argument is empty one. You talk same junta that politician bad. Just drink junta lie and not think for self. Any elect government is better every non elect government. No excuse! No weasel! If thaksin above law why he have silly conviction and cannot come back Thailand. You just keep talk silly thing and not be honest about fact. 

 

You provide no facts to support your assertion that 1% do crime (is that the top 1% by the way?) and 99% don't. If you have facts please post them - or is it just your opinion which you make up as you go along

 

Your habit is to insult all who criticize the Shiniwattras and their political party as liars, being blind (please don't use blindness as an insult) and insist they must be junta fans.

 

Thaksin was convicted by a court for something he doesn't deny doing. He also faces many more serious charges, like the Krungthai Bank fraud. His lawyer was convicted of trying to bribe judges. He chose to flee rather than fight in court when the bribe failed.

 

Do you really believe the Shniniwattras are any different to the other elites? Or are they just another self serving group trying to wrangle control of the trough for themselves. Which you think?

 

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

If let Thai people have choice they choose side they want. What's wrong with that.

 

Nothing at all. That's how it should be.

 

Just as politicians who break laws should be brought to justice.

[Pridilives]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You provide no facts to support your assertion that 1% do crime (is that the top 1% by the way?) and 99% don't. If you have facts please post them - or is it just your opinion which you make up as you go along

 

Your habit is to insult all who criticize the Shiniwattras and their political party as liars, being blind (please don't use blindness as an insult) and insist they must be junta fans.

 

Thaksin was convicted by a court for something he doesn't deny doing. He also faces many more serious charges, like the Krungthai Bank fraud. His lawyer was convicted of trying to bribe judges. He chose to flee rather than fight in court when the bribe failed.

 

Do you really believe the Shniniwattras are any different to the other elites? Or are they just another self serving group trying to wrangle control of the trough for themselves. Which you think?

 

 

 

 

Red be about half all Thais. You say half all Thais terrorist? You wrong. I read German man kill Thai girlfriend. If I same you I say all German kill Thai. Can you see logic not work.

 

i don't defend shinawatra. I oppose silly lie about Shinawatra. Thai people know what is true and what is not. Very few Thai agree shinawatra do everything junta say. No Thai think shinawatra government never have corruption. Thai know every Thai government have corruption. Why Thai can separate true from false but you cannot you just agree junta. Not healthy.

 

big difference about Shinawatra and other elite. Shinawatra choose to have democracy other elite do not.

 

[Eric Loh]

54 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Who actually choose Jatoporn as a "leader" of the UDD and a party list MP?

 

Wasn't the people.

Disappointed with you BB. Thought you Khun Know all. Homework for you. Read the organic law for political parties and election for representatives in Parliment. For the former, try section 37. Happy reading. 

[Pridilives]

9 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Nothing at all. That's how it should be.

 

Just as politicians who break laws should be brought to justice.

Here show you wrong. You too brainwash from junta. Should not say POLITICIAN who break law bought to justice. Should say ANYBODY break law should be bought to justice.

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Disappointed with you BB. Thought you Khun Know all. Homework for you. Read the organic law for political parties and election for representatives in Parliment. For the former, try section 37. Happy reading. 

 

No one knows everything Eric, not even you. Should never give up learning.

 

Thought Mr. Jatoporn was a party list MP. And of course it's a big mystery who appoints all those UDD leaders 

[Baerboxer]

4 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Here show you wrong. You too brainwash from junta. Should not say POLITICIAN who break law bought to justice. Should say ANYBODY break law should be bought to justice.

 

Correct - anyone who breaks the law.

 

But politicians especially, as they have a habit of thinking laws (and ethics and honesty) don't apply to themselves.

[YetAnother]

20 hours ago, LannaGuy said:

And Suthep taking over BKK?  mobsters on the streets?  elections disrupted?  let alone the airport take-over.  I'd call that 'inciting hatred' and action and FAR FAR WORSE than this guy yet he walks free with that stupid grin on his face?  cummon...

Both of those guys are not what we want to see in Thai leadership

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No one knows everything Eric, not even you. Should never give up learning.

 

Thought Mr. Jatoporn was a party list MP. And of course it's a big mystery who appoints all those UDD leaders 

Slap me silly. You really ask should an obvious question ? standard dropping BB. Just concentrate on the important issue of a minority of elites with the military as their hatchet man do not want a popular elected government as it threatened their power and wealth. 

[Baerboxer]

18 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Red be about half all Thais. You say half all Thais terrorist? You wrong. I read German man kill Thai girlfriend. If I same you I say all German kill Thai. Can you see logic not work.

 

i don't defend shinawatra. I oppose silly lie about Shinawatra. Thai people know what is true and what is not. Very few Thai agree shinawatra do everything junta say. No Thai think shinawatra government never have corruption. Thai know every Thai government have corruption. Why Thai can separate true from false but you cannot you just agree junta. Not healthy.

 

big difference about Shinawatra and other elite. Shinawatra choose to have democracy other elite do not.

 

 

Judging by your logical reasoning prowess and misquoting you must have had a local education? Where did I say "half all Thai terrorist"? 

 

Please post where I said that or retract your lie.

 

I questioned your assertion that only 1%  were. Can you substantiate or did you make it up?

 

How do the people know what is true and not true - or are you seriously suggesting they should trust what PTP and the Shins themselves say? 

 

Are you seriously saying Thaksin is innocent of all the court cases he currently avoids, and the conviction that forced him to run away?

 

Are you seriously saying that nationality is a moderating factor on someones ability to determine truth from lies?

 

Interesting that you've been a TVF member for 11 days and all your posts support one theme. Why all your posts claim that any negative comment about the Shiniwattras and the political party they own are lies. You seem to have an issue with knowing the truth. But perhaps like the former Finance Minister you think its ok for politicians to lie?

 

 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Slap me silly. You really ask should an obvious question ? standard dropping BB. Just concentrate on the important issue of a minority of elites with the military as their hatchet man do not want a popular elected government as it threatened their power and wealth. 

 

Indeed it did. The only problem was it sort to place that power and wealth in the hands of another minority of elites and their particular cronies. A group hell bent on diluting checks and balances and changing things to cement their own tenure at the top.

 

Had that have been different, I would be one of the first to applaud.

[Pridilives]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Judging by your logical reasoning prowess and misquoting you must have had a local education? Where did I say "half all Thai terrorist"? 

 

Please post where I said that or retract your lie.

 

I questioned your assertion that only 1%  were. Can you substantiate or did you make it up?

 

How do the people know what is true and not true - or are you seriously suggesting they should trust what PTP and the Shins themselves say? 

 

Are you seriously saying Thaksin is innocent of all the court cases he currently avoids, and the conviction that forced him to run away?

 

Are you seriously saying that nationality is a moderating factor on someones ability to determine truth from lies?

 

Interesting that you've been a TVF member for 11 days and all your posts support one theme. Why all your posts claim that any negative comment about the Shiniwattras and the political party they own are lies. You seem to have an issue with knowing the truth. But perhaps like the former Finance Minister you think its ok for politicians to lie?

 

 

 

 

What do you mean by local education. Are you try insult?

 

yes I make up 1% to illustrate very tiny bit red do political crime. Really less 1% but I make simple for you.

 

tell me when you ever say something good about millions red shirt.

 

tell me you really believe every charge about thaksin real and not just politic. Newspaper from all world not believe.

 

no I not say nationality decide who can see true from lie. I don't know reason why you not see true from lie. Just know you cannot

[sweatalot]

9 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

" .tell me when you ever say something good about millions red shirt."

What good is there to say about redshirts?

9 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

 

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Pridilives said:

What do you mean by local education. Are you try insult?

 

yes I make up 1% to illustrate very tiny bit red do political crime. Really less 1% but I make simple for you.

 

tell me when you ever say something good about millions red shirt.

 

tell me you really believe every charge about thaksin real and not just politic. Newspaper from all world not believe.

 

no I not say nationality decide who can see true from lie. I don't know reason why you not see true from lie. Just know you cannot

 

You don't see because either you don't want to or are unable to. No way of knowing which. Nor do I care to be frank.

 

Newspapers from all over the world - really? Then should not be hard for you to quote the references. Let's start with the Krungthai Bank fraud charge shall we? Or perhaps lending Burma's military regime money so they can buy from his business? Looj forward to seeing the articles you find.

 

So you can't justify the 1% and now state that its really less than 1%.

 

I don't believe all the charges against Thaksin or anyone else can be dismissed as politically motivated. Especially when based on media reports they clearly aren't. But has he chooses to run rather than fight them in court we shall never know shall we? There is something which could be justifiably said to be politically motivated - see if you can think what it is?

 

I'm afraid Thaksin going on TV and saying he's never ever done anything wrong in his life, ever; a few TVF posters who spring up for usually a short posting life supporting that statement, and now you, simply aren't enough to convince me. The fact you seem to think your opinion is automatically accepted as truth, even when making it up, says it all. 

[Pridilives]

Just now, sweatalot said:

What good is there to say about redshirts?

 

 

 

Half Thailand is redshirt. So you mean nothing good to say about half all Thais.

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Indeed it did. The only problem was it sort to place that power and wealth in the hands of another minority of elites and their particular cronies. A group hell bent on diluting checks and balances and changing things to cement their own tenure at the top.

 

Had that have been different, I would be one of the first to applaud.

No not much different except one is elected and can be voted out while the other is unelected and can't be voted out or disallowed criticism, opinions and free expressions. One can't shred and re-write a constitution while the other did just that many times over and write a constitution that favour them and intimidate the referendum so they get what they want. 

[Baerboxer]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

No not much different except one is elected and can be voted out while the other is unelected and can't be voted out or disallowed criticism, opinions and free expressions. One can't shred and re-write a constitution while the other did just that many times over and write a constitution that favour them and intimidate the referendum so they get what they want. 

 

Not quite true Eric. The junta, like all juntas, simply does as it pleases, and usually don't take well to critics.

 

But then neither did the Shins. Thaksin used the defamation laws to try to silence media and critics, as did Yingluck. We also say threats, both in action and words against opponents and critics. They also used intimidation when they wanted to and had a tame police who say nothing, heard nothing and did nothing about it.

 

Again the Shins wanted to change the Senate, to all elected, as they perceived that could favor them more but refused to support provincial governor elections as that might not.

 

You can vote a government out - but some governments don't go easily, especially ones who don't respect the law. 

[Pridilives]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Not quite true Eric. The junta, like all juntas, simply does as it pleases, and usually don't take well to critics.

 

But then neither did the Shins. Thaksin used the defamation laws to try to silence media and critics, as did Yingluck. We also say threats, both in action and words against opponents and critics. They also used intimidation when they wanted to and had a tame police who say nothing, heard nothing and did nothing about it.

 

Again the Shins wanted to change the Senate, to all elected, as they perceived that could favor them more but refused to support provincial governor elections as that might not.

 

You can vote a government out - but some governments don't go easily, especially ones who don't respect the law. 

1997 constitution have all elected senate. 1997 constitution come from people not from army. This mean Thai people want all elect senate. Abhisit say he want all elect senate. How you can say all elect senate is bad. Which government from red not accept election and go. Never happen. So this is lie from you.

[YetAnother]

I really do not like this guy but defamation is a blight on this society

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

1997 constitution have all elected senate. 1997 constitution come from people not from army. This mean Thai people want all elect senate. Abhisit say he want all elect senate. How you can say all elect senate is bad. Which government from red not accept election and go. Never happen. So this is lie from you.

 

Please stop claiming I say things in my posts that  I don't. It is against forum rules, is deceitful and unfortunately not the first time you do so.

 

I didn't say that an all elected senate was bad, or good. I questioned why a political party would support an all elected senate, including changing the rules on office held duration and family members, but not support elected provincial governors. 

 

You constantly accuse other members of lying without offering anything but your one sided somewhat jaundiced view as being the truth. 

 

Pathetic.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Baerboxer

[sandemara]

23 hours ago, Pridilives said:

Plus, perhaps the UDD should think about it's image:

 

- Owner is a convicted absconded criminal.

- Chairperson now in jail.

 

But naah I guess they don't worry about their image getting in the way of their immoral activities.

Their only "crimes" were being on the wrong side of an entrenched political system/network with an excesive sense of their own entitlements and privilege.  Any perceived threat to that traditional dominance over a subservient cirtizenry will be quashed by any means necessary.

Quitre possibly Pridlives can't see the forest for the trees. A growing majority of a citizenry is becoming convinced they have been oppressed and exploited for too long. These so-called criminals are instead becoming symbols of martyrdom, innocents forced into acts of heroism as well as suffering.

Ironically, The military and their stooges continue to help these activists cement their images as heroes.  

Any number of martyrs around the world who believed that unfair bullying of ordinary citizens exploited by greed and ruthlessness should be resisted and removed have trodden the same road.  The oppressors hardly ever realise the historic inevitability that their clumsy disregard for the rights of their fellow countrymen will ensure their own eventual downfall. The collapse of rule of law and its replacement by a system that protects unreasonable privileges in a corrupt system is one step down a slippery slope.

People like Pridlives  are simply doing more dirty work for a sinking system by their name-calling.

People who've been downtrodden, exploited and prevented from living any other way but in poverty and despair for generations have well-developed Bullsh..t detectors.  Naturally they will be drawn to support those who offer hope for a better life.

Gandhi, Mandela, Geo. Washington and a host of others spent a large part of their lives being denounced as criminals.

Not such shabby company.  The names and memories of exploiters and their minions hardly ever grace history's pages for long..

[Pridilives]

3 minutes ago, sandemara said:

Their only "crimes" were being on the wrong side of an entrenched political system/network with an excesive sense of their own entitlements and privilege.  Any perceived threat to that traditional dominance over a subservient cirtizenry will be quashed by any means necessary.

Quitre possibly Pridlives can't see the forest for the trees. A growing majority of a citizenry is becoming convinced they have been oppressed and exploited for too long. These so-called criminals are instead becoming symbols of martyrdom, innocents forced into acts of heroism as well as suffering.

Ironically, The military and their stooges continue to help these activists cement their images as heroes.  

Any number of martyrs around the world who believed that unfair bullying of ordinary citizens exploited by greed and ruthlessness should be resisted and removed have trodden the same road.  The oppressors hardly ever realise the historic inevitability that their clumsy disregard for the rights of their fellow countrymen will ensure their own eventual downfall. The collapse of rule of law and its replacement by a system that protects unreasonable privileges in a corrupt system is one step down a slippery slope.

People like Pridlives  are simply doing more dirty work for a sinking system by their name-calling.

People who've been downtrodden, exploited and prevented from living any other way but in poverty and despair for generations have well-developed Bullsh..t detectors.  Naturally they will be drawn to support those who offer hope for a better life.

Gandhi, Mandela, Geo. Washington and a host of others spent a large part of their lives being denounced as criminals.

Not such shabby company.  The names and memories of exploiters and their minions hardly ever grace history's pages for long..

I not make post you reply to. Why have my name on something I not write

i agree what you write.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Pridilives

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

I really do not like this guy but defamation is a blight on this society

 

Or, looking at it another way, this guy had a jail sentence coming to him for a long time for any variety of offenses, including his role leading up to the burning of Bangkok. But each time, he managed to escape with, if I recall correctly, the various courts saying, well, since he never had a prison sentence before, we won't give him one this time.

 

Of course with that logic, he'd never go to prison for anything ever, because each time the same "never before" theory would apply.

 

So in this case, I'd say, justice has finally prevailed and he's finally getting a small taste of what he's deserved for a long time. As they say, karma's a b**ch.

 

But you're right -- I would have preferred if they'd finally gotten him for inciting terrorism or corruption or who knows what all else.

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Baerboxer]

9 minutes ago, sandemara said:

Their only "crimes" were being on the wrong side of an entrenched political system/network with an excesive sense of their own entitlements and privilege.  Any perceived threat to that traditional dominance over a subservient cirtizenry will be quashed by any means necessary.

Quitre possibly Pridlives can't see the forest for the trees. A growing majority of a citizenry is becoming convinced they have been oppressed and exploited for too long. These so-called criminals are instead becoming symbols of martyrdom, innocents forced into acts of heroism as well as suffering.

Ironically, The military and their stooges continue to help these activists cement their images as heroes.  

Any number of martyrs around the world who believed that unfair bullying of ordinary citizens exploited by greed and ruthlessness should be resisted and removed have trodden the same road.  The oppressors hardly ever realise the historic inevitability that their clumsy disregard for the rights of their fellow countrymen will ensure their own eventual downfall. The collapse of rule of law and its replacement by a system that protects unreasonable privileges in a corrupt system is one step down a slippery slope.

People like Pridlives  are simply doing more dirty work for a sinking system by their name-calling.

People who've been downtrodden, exploited and prevented from living any other way but in poverty and despair for generations have well-developed Bullsh..t detectors.  Naturally they will be drawn to support those who offer hope for a better life.

Gandhi, Mandela, Geo. Washington and a host of others spent a large part of their lives being denounced as criminals.

Not such shabby company.  The names and memories of exploiters and their minions hardly ever grace history's pages for long..

 

Thakin and Jatiporn - martyrs like Ghandi and Mandela - 5555555555555555555 !

 

All cases, absolutely every thing just politically motivated - 55555555555555555555555!

 

Your so funny! Great satire.

[LannaGuy]

10 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

I not make post you reply to. Why have my name on something I not write

i agree what you write.

Yes I think Pridilives didn't say this and thinks opposite

[LannaGuy]

13 minutes ago, sandemara said:

Their only "crimes" were being on the wrong side of an entrenched political system/network with an excesive sense of their own entitlements and privilege.  Any perceived threat to that traditional dominance over a subservient cirtizenry will be quashed by any means necessary.

Quitre possibly Pridlives can't see the forest for the trees. A growing majority of a citizenry is becoming convinced they have been oppressed and exploited for too long. These so-called criminals are instead becoming symbols of martyrdom, innocents forced into acts of heroism as well as suffering.

Ironically, The military and their stooges continue to help these activists cement their images as heroes.  

Any number of martyrs around the world who believed that unfair bullying of ordinary citizens exploited by greed and ruthlessness should be resisted and removed have trodden the same road.  The oppressors hardly ever realise the historic inevitability that their clumsy disregard for the rights of their fellow countrymen will ensure their own eventual downfall. The collapse of rule of law and its replacement by a system that protects unreasonable privileges in a corrupt system is one step down a slippery slope.

People like Pridlives  are simply doing more dirty work for a sinking system by their name-calling.

People who've been downtrodden, exploited and prevented from living any other way but in poverty and despair for generations have well-developed Bullsh..t detectors.  Naturally they will be drawn to support those who offer hope for a better life.

Gandhi, Mandela, Geo. Washington and a host of others spent a large part of their lives being denounced as criminals.

Not such shabby company.  The names and memories of exploiters and their minions hardly ever grace history's pages for long..

Not sure I'd compare to Ghandi or Mandala but there is no doubt it is ALL political but if the people are 'mai pen rai' then nothing can be done.

[Pridilives]

17 minutes ago, sandemara said:

Their only "crimes" were being on the wrong side of an entrenched political system/network with an excesive sense of their own entitlements and privilege.  Any perceived threat to that traditional dominance over a subservient cirtizenry will be quashed by any means necessary.

Quitre possibly Pridlives can't see the forest for the trees. A growing majority of a citizenry is becoming convinced they have been oppressed and exploited for too long. These so-called criminals are instead becoming symbols of martyrdom, innocents forced into acts of heroism as well as suffering.

Ironically, The military and their stooges continue to help these activists cement their images as heroes.  

Any number of martyrs around the world who believed that unfair bullying of ordinary citizens exploited by greed and ruthlessness should be resisted and removed have trodden the same road.  The oppressors hardly ever realise the historic inevitability that their clumsy disregard for the rights of their fellow countrymen will ensure their own eventual downfall. The collapse of rule of law and its replacement by a system that protects unreasonable privileges in a corrupt system is one step down a slippery slope.

People like Pridlives  are simply doing more dirty work for a sinking system by their name-calling.

People who've been downtrodden, exploited and prevented from living any other way but in poverty and despair for generations have well-developed Bullsh..t detectors.  Naturally they will be drawn to support those who offer hope for a better life.

Gandhi, Mandela, Geo. Washington and a host of others spent a large part of their lives being denounced as criminals.

Not such shabby company.  The names and memories of exploiters and their minions hardly ever grace history's pages for long..

Scorecard write post you respond to not pridilives

Edited July 21, 2017 by Pridilives

[robblok]

1 minute ago, LannaGuy said:

Not sure I'd compare to Ghandi or Mandala but there is no doubt it is ALL political but if the people are 'mai pen rai' then nothing can be done.

Not sure.. that you even have to think about comparing them and placing them at the same level tells me enough. 

 

Its a gross insult to the likes of Ghandi and Mandela to be compared with Thaksin or Jattuporn. 

[JAG]

1997 constitution have all elected senate. 1997 constitution come from people not from army. This mean Thai people want all elect senate. Abhisit say he want all elect senate. How you can say all elect senate is bad. Which government from red not accept election and go. Never happen. So this is lie from you.

 
Please stop claiming I say things in my posts that  I don't. It is against forum rules, is deceitful and unfortunately not the first time you do so.
 
I didn't say that an all elected senate was bad, or good. I questioned why a political party would support an all elected senate, including changing the rules on office held duration and family members, but not support elected provincial governors. 
 
You constantly accuse other members of lying without offering anything but your one sided somewhat jaundiced view as being the truth. 
 
Pathetic.

Umh, Baerboxer, you did say "You can vote a government out, but some governments don't go easily, especially ones who don't accept the law."
This was in a post explaining your take on the Thaksin/Shinawatra approach to the law when in government. Can I suggest that "Pridilives" makes a fair point?