Six dead in worst Israeli-Palestinian bloodshed for years

[DeaconJohn]

14 hours ago, DeaconJohn said:

The Palestinians know that if they can provoke Israel into taking repressive measures at the entrance to Al Aqsa Mosque it will unite the whole Muslim world against them. That is what Israeli leaders must face.

Israel's security establishment abuses Judaism because it equates its Zionist expansionist and oppressive policy with Judaism.

Enlightenment is, therefore, more than a necessity, it begins with living within their internationally recognized 1967 borders and deconstructing the mythological web that surrounds the history of the State of Israel.

 

13 hours ago, Morch said:

 

There is no unified Palestinian position as alluded. For example, the above it hardly represents the wishes Abbas or most non-Islamic forces on the Palestinian side. The reason being that using religious sentiment is a double edged sword. One of the things that came up all week long on sermons and after them were criticism of the PA's cooperation with Israel. As with many other Arab countries and leaders, there's a balance of power between secular and religious power.

 

Most of "Israel's security establishment" was actually against turning this confrontation, and advocated compromise. The decision was by and large, a political one. Of course, this robs your comment of it's imaginary barb.

 

And as another tired "argument", the one sided demand of Israel to address reality and let go of its narrative. Somehow one side's use of religion as a political tool is legitimate, while the other doing the same, isn't. Routine.

You are quite right, there is no unified Palestinian position, and I didn't say there was.

However, large numbers of them are like-minded in their belief that violent confrontations will promote their cause and end the Israeli occupation of their land.

It was the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that enabled a majority-Jewish state to emerge on the ruins of emptied homes and villages, dynamite and bulldozers, not UN Resolution 181, are the true foundations of Israel.

[Morch]

9 hours ago, Here2008 said:

Whilst in general terms I agree I would point out that only one side has murderous intent which in the past has been directed at school children and only one side threatens to exterminate the other.

 

 

That is a patently untrue statement. There were instances of direct, intentional attacks on innocents by people from both sides. Same goes for threats made.

[Morch]

 

@Thorgal

 

Another contrived nonsense post, with the usual "logic" to go.

 

The OP relates several attempts at mediation or pressure directed at the Israeli government from foreign leaders. By contrast, the US reaction was both inadequate and late, which is a departure from how previous administrations reacted in the past. Sides could play out their hotheaded games, counting on the US to step in and sort things out before they got out of hand. Pointing out that the Trump administration does not act according to the expected script is hardly off-topic.

 

The Trump administration was briefly mentioned at the end of my post. Doubt that you actually felt it was off-topic to the degree that it merited an off-topic comment plus off-topic graphics. Rather, it is your post which opens an off-topic venue.

 

[Morch]

38 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

 

You are quite right, there is no unified Palestinian position, and I didn't say there was.

However, large numbers of them are like-minded in their belief that violent confrontations will promote their cause and end the Israeli occupation of their land.

It was the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that enabled a majority-Jewish state to emerge on the ruins of emptied homes and villages, dynamite and bulldozers, not UN Resolution 181, are the true foundations of Israel.

 

There was no other Palestinian position or an alternate Palestinian take on things mentioned in your post. As to Palestinian ethos sanctifying violence as means for independence, that's hardly news. Failure to account for both nationalistic and religious elements is something prevalent in many posts on these topics.

 

The latter part of your post bears little relation to what I posted. Trying to push as many of the usual talking points as possible, regardless of topic, it seems.

[Ron19]

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