Army Denies Coup Rumours

[lukamar]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

[Tony Clifton]

Carlyle group flexing its political and economic muscle to destabilize Thailand to help Thaksin is a mother of all conspiracies.

Internationally he is, and has always been, a nobody.

Since the coup there have been 39 arson attacks on schools, aside from the deep South the majority took place in southern Issan, the stronghold of TRT.

How many people arrested so far?

None.

The police are seen by Thais to be close to the public, both in a positive and negative sense; it's hard to believe they don't know who is behind the burnings.

A long overdue overhaul of the Royal Thai police force was announced a short time ago.

No one arrested for the arsons on schools yet, same goes with last year's bombs directed at Prem, Chamlong (not supporters of Thaksin) and Khunying Pornthip (the forensic expert, often head to head with the police force). Funny how their investigations never came up with anything when Thaksin opponents were the targets, funny how they quickly resolved the car bomb case near Thaksin's residence.

Anyone remember that police captain hiding his neck badge in front of the cameras while giving instructions to the "man in black" (police hired thug/yaba dealer) at the World Trade Plaza last august?

[Johpa]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Ther Carlyle Group is not your ordinary private equity firm and it is not open to just "any" investor and, according to its website, has "more than 1,000 investors" which is not all that many people. It is an investment vehicle of choice for many of the most well connected and wealthiest people on the planet and has a rather large number of very high ranking recently retired government officials who would have insider knowledge of industries that depend upon government contracts and government permits, and it does invest in those industries. Although it also invests in very mainstream opportunities, it is well deserving of its rather nefarious and controversial reputation. One can ague that the Carlyle Group is the apex of international crony capitalism.

[younghusband]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Ther Carlyle Group is not your ordinary private equity firm and it is not open to just "any" investor and, according to its website, has "more than 1,000 investors" which is not all that many people. It is an investment vehicle of choice for many of the most well connected and wealthiest people on the planet and has a rather large number of very high ranking recently retired government officials who would have insider knowledge of industries that depend upon government contracts and government permits, and it does invest in those industries. Although it also invests in very mainstream opportunities, it is well deserving of its rather nefarious and controversial reputation. One can ague that the Carlyle Group is the apex of international crony capitalism.

Absolute nonsense and surprisingly so given the source.Almost every contention made on the Carlyle Group is plain wrong.One almost despairs when muddleheadedness and ignorance of this sort persists.

[younghusband]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Absolute rubbish.Temasek is 100% owned by the Ministry of Finance of the Singapore Government.There is only one shareholder in other words.

[John K]

Tony, reality check my friend. The police make such a pitiful wage, any cleaning will be just a false sense of accomplishment. The incentive of a better wage must be added at the same time. Thaksin obviously made use of this fact.

[sriracha john]

I guess TRT has to keep putting in it's 2 satang's worth.... before people forget the TRT Party completely. Unsurprisingly, as they ended up with the 9th guy down on the preferred list to head the TRT, he isn't doing so well.

Chaturon urges eight CNS members to promise not to stage coup

Thai Rak Thai Party leader Chaturon Chaisaeng Friday urged all eight leaders of the junta to convince the public that none of them would attempt to stage a coup to seize power from the CNS-installed government of Surayud Chulanont, in the aftermath of the reported troop movements in Bangkok and other regions on Thursday.

"They need to show sincerity that they will never stage the coup again because, if they do, it will cause serious damage socially and economically to the country," Chaturon said.

The Nation

[American Bear]

Let them keep it up and the strength the baht has gained as a result of the coup will all be lost and then some.

[Johpa]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Ther Carlyle Group is not your ordinary private equity firm and it is not open to just "any" investor and, according to its website, has "more than 1,000 investors" which is not all that many people. It is an investment vehicle of choice for many of the most well connected and wealthiest people on the planet and has a rather large number of very high ranking recently retired government officials who would have insider knowledge of industries that depend upon government contracts and government permits, and it does invest in those industries. Although it also invests in very mainstream opportunities, it is well deserving of its rather nefarious and controversial reputation. One can ague that the Carlyle Group is the apex of international crony capitalism.

Absolute nonsense and surprisingly so given the source.Almost every contention made on the Carlyle Group is plain wrong.One almost despairs when muddleheadedness and ignorance of this sort persists.

Apart from a few muddleheaded ignoramuses with left leaning tendencies like myself, the Carlyle Group was able to exist under the radar screen until 9/11 when the Bin Laden family was noted as major investors. After 9/11 and the ensuing increased scrutiny, it began to clean up the window dressing (the Bin Ladens sold their shares in October of 2001) it used to display itself to the general public. But here are some links to other muddleheaded minions beginning with the muddleheaded entry of Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group (it notes that Thasin was indeed a board member until he took office in 2001)

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

http://www.carlylegroup.net/

Or just enter "Carlyle Group" into Google for an almost endless list of likeminded muddleheaded websites and articles. I stand by my original contention that it is fairly easy to argue that the Carlyle Group is indeed "the apex of international crony capitalism."

[kdvsn]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Ther Carlyle Group is not your ordinary private equity firm and it is not open to just "any" investor and, according to its website, has "more than 1,000 investors" which is not all that many people. It is an investment vehicle of choice for many of the most well connected and wealthiest people on the planet and has a rather large number of very high ranking recently retired government officials who would have insider knowledge of industries that depend upon government contracts and government permits, and it does invest in those industries. Although it also invests in very mainstream opportunities, it is well deserving of its rather nefarious and controversial reputation. One can ague that the Carlyle Group is the apex of international crony capitalism.

Absolute nonsense and surprisingly so given the source.Almost every contention made on the Carlyle Group is plain wrong.One almost despairs when muddleheadedness and ignorance of this sort persists.

Apart from a few muddleheaded ignoramuses with left leaning tendencies like myself, the Carlyle Group was able to exist under the radar screen until 9/11 when the Bin Laden family was noted as major investors. After 9/11 and the ensuing increased scrutiny, it began to clean up the window dressing (the Bin Ladens sold their shares in October of 2001) it used to display itself to the general public. But here are some links to other muddleheaded minions beginning with the muddleheaded entry of Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group (it notes that Thasin was indeed a board member until he took office in 2001)

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

http://www.carlylegroup.net/

Or just enter "Carlyle Group" into Google for an almost endless list of likeminded muddleheaded websites and articles. I stand by my original contention that it is fairly easy to argue that the Carlyle Group is indeed "the apex of international crony capitalism."

The bin Laden family had approximately US$2 million invested with the Carlyle Group. That scarcely made them "major investors" in the Caryle Group, nor did that $2 million constitutute a significant percentage of the bin Laden families assests. While the roll call of world leaders who has been associated with the Carlyle Group may in itself be an indication of "cronyism", the evidence of wrongdoing against them amounts to nothing more than Michael Moore styled innuendo.

[robint]

Godt in Himmel

you guys must all be retirees from the much discredited Secret service organisations of the floundering Brush admin. Full of tit bits, ill considered logic, badly researched all cobbled together to support a personal agenda (just like WMA and the iraquis).

All this opinionated tittle tattle is unsupported unsourced supposition by armchair pundits wno unfortunately can gain air time on a platform like TVC. Try spouting your rubbish in a public debate and you would be shot down in flames

nuff said

Bernard Trink

source BKK post

[drummer]

The bin Laden family had approximately US$2 million invested with the Carlyle Group. That scarcely made them "major investors" in the Caryle Group, nor did that $2 million constitutute a significant percentage of the bin Laden families assests. While the roll call of world leaders who has been associated with the Carlyle Group may in itself be an indication of "cronyism", the evidence of wrongdoing against them amounts to nothing more than Michael Moore styled innuendo.

I'm sure you fully support the war in Iraq, and are certain that Saddam Hussein himself personlly picked the 9-11 hijackers!

The Carlyle Group is comprised of highly influential politicians and those at the levers of power. Smoe are seemingly clean, and others are convicted dirtbgs. Several Carlyle members have ties to BCCI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credi...e_International

George HW Bush, for example. He laundered the money from arm sales to Iran through BCCI, in order to fund the Contras. You have heard of the Iran-Contra affair? If you need a refresher, Bush Co sold weapons to the Iranian Mullahs to give to the Contras, in order to fight the Sandanistas. The Contras were/are are right wing paramilitary gruop that, among other things, killed priests and nuns, and generally engaged in death squads and terrorism. Nice guys. (Salem bin Laden played a role in the Iran-Contra affair)

This is NOT 'Michael Moore style innuendo" it is a matter of public record.

Of course, you may very well think that Ollie North was a great American hero, and/or the Iran-Contra affair never existed. Perhaps you believe that conspiracies are merely the realm of wakos. (in which case I'd like to refer you to the cases of Julius Caesar and Pearl Harbor) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SH.html

[drummer]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Former Thai PM Anand Panyarachun has been involved with the Carlyle Group for years. The Carlyle Group makes it a point to invest in politically powerful people. Affecting public policy is good for business. This is true for most businesses.

[drummer]

EDIT - meant to say that Thaksin himself is probably highly overrated as a player at this point. Thaksin had lot of very powerful allies who also stand to lose.

Like any business man he needs to spend money to make money. Thaksin stands to lose a lot more if he does nothing.

Not true John. TS is a major player in The Carlyle Group and The Carlyle Group is one of the world’s largest private equity firms, with more than $46.9 billion under management. He's in there with players like the Bushes, the bin Ladens, John Major, Liu Hong-Ru, Fidel Ramos and do you remember this guy Anand Panyarachun. If this group wanted to put Thailand's economy in the dumpster it wouldn't take long, and I'm sure that the junta knows this. Thaksin may have much more clout while outside the country than if he was inside it at the moment.

Hardly! Thaksin is not exactly a major player. The Carlyle companies have some truly powerful industries behind them - far more so than 1-2-Call. And, while Bush Sr *IS* a major player, the Carlyle Group is powerful enough to tell him to shove it, should they want (they aren't likely to want though!)

Thaksin's use to the Carlyle Group stems from his political clout more than anything, and, having lost that, is far less influential than before. No 2 ways about it.

BTW - making governments unstable is a hallmark of covert regime change. After finding great success in in Iran in the 50s, the CIA and others have employed the concept in over a dozen countries. Carlyle have extensive CIA connections (George Sr was not just Pres + VP, he was also the head of the CIA)

Edited January 7, 2007 by drummer

[robint]

where is the evidence, source for all this horse shit Drummer

[kdvsn]

The bin Laden family had approximately US$2 million invested with the Carlyle Group. That scarcely made them "major investors" in the Caryle Group, nor did that $2 million constitutute a significant percentage of the bin Laden families assests. While the roll call of world leaders who has been associated with the Carlyle Group may in itself be an indication of "cronyism", the evidence of wrongdoing against them amounts to nothing more than Michael Moore styled innuendo.

I'm sure you fully support the war in Iraq, and are certain that Saddam Hussein himself personlly picked the 9-11 hijackers!

The Carlyle Group is comprised of highly influential politicians and those at the levers of power. Smoe are seemingly clean, and others are convicted dirtbgs. Several Carlyle members have ties to BCCI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credi...e_International

George HW Bush, for example. He laundered the money from arm sales to Iran through BCCI, in order to fund the Contras. You have heard of the Iran-Contra affair? If you need a refresher, Bush Co sold weapons to the Iranian Mullahs to give to the Contras, in order to fight the Sandanistas. The Contras were/are are right wing paramilitary gruop that, among other things, killed priests and nuns, and generally engaged in death squads and terrorism. Nice guys. (Salem bin Laden played a role in the Iran-Contra affair)

This is NOT 'Michael Moore style innuendo" it is a matter of public record.

Of course, you may very well think that Ollie North was a great American hero, and/or the Iran-Contra affair never existed. Perhaps you believe that conspiracies are merely the realm of wakos. (in which case I'd like to refer you to the cases of Julius Caesar and Pearl Harbor) http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SH.html

What you wrote is a prime example of inneundo. You bring up Iran Contra, which happened under Reagan, link that scandal with BCCI, which had nothing to do with the Caryle Group but is possible to link with George HW Bush since he was Reagan's VP, and you can link GHW Bush to the Caryle group since he worked for them later, and just for good measure you throw in the personal slur against me that I must believe that Saddam personally picked the 911 hijackers and that I must consider Ollie North to be a hero. I'm surprised that you didn't also bring up Walmart, Halliburton, Global Warming and accuse me of being in favor of tax cuts for the rich and clubbing baby seals. Your line of reasoning is interesting and definitely establishes wrongdoing on the part of Carlyle Group in the past, and since George HW Bush visted Thailand not long ago, it also makes clear that the Carlyle Group must be plotting the ouster of the Thai coup leaders.

Edited January 7, 2007 by kdvsn

[younghusband]

Most posters barely seem to know what an investing institution does.Incidentally for the record I don't think Carlyle has any investments in Thailand.

Carlyle is heavily invested in Tamasek , remember those guys.

Ther Carlyle Group is not your ordinary private equity firm and it is not open to just "any" investor and, according to its website, has "more than 1,000 investors" which is not all that many people. It is an investment vehicle of choice for many of the most well connected and wealthiest people on the planet and has a rather large number of very high ranking recently retired government officials who would have insider knowledge of industries that depend upon government contracts and government permits, and it does invest in those industries. Although it also invests in very mainstream opportunities, it is well deserving of its rather nefarious and controversial reputation. One can ague that the Carlyle Group is the apex of international crony capitalism.

Absolute nonsense and surprisingly so given the source.Almost every contention made on the Carlyle Group is plain wrong.One almost despairs when muddleheadedness and ignorance of this sort persists.

Apart from a few muddleheaded ignoramuses with left leaning tendencies like myself, the Carlyle Group was able to exist under the radar screen until 9/11 when the Bin Laden family was noted as major investors. After 9/11 and the ensuing increased scrutiny, it began to clean up the window dressing (the Bin Ladens sold their shares in October of 2001) it used to display itself to the general public. But here are some links to other muddleheaded minions beginning with the muddleheaded entry of Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group (it notes that Thasin was indeed a board member until he took office in 2001)

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

http://www.carlylegroup.net/

Or just enter "Carlyle Group" into Google for an almost endless list of likeminded muddleheaded websites and articles. I stand by my original contention that it is fairly easy to argue that the Carlyle Group is indeed "the apex of international crony capitalism."

This response simply compounds your folly.If you rely mainly on eccentric websites or googling for your information, you are going to be wrong on almost everything.You don't seem to have taken on board any of the information in Carlyle's own web site.I know your opinion will never change (the use of the term "international crony capitalism" gives your game away) but you are completely and utterly misguided on this subject.The world's major ethical investor, Calpers, out of California is a significant investor in Carlyle incidentally.You are also comically ill informed if you think the directors of Carlyle would lift one finger to help Thaksin out of his predicament.Thailand doesn't figure in their investment portfolio and never has, though they had a recce at the time of the economic crisis in the mid 1990's.

Edited January 7, 2007 by younghusband

[sriracha john]

Godt in Himmel

you guys must all be retirees from the much discredited Secret service organisations of the floundering Brush admin. Full of tit bits, ill considered logic, badly researched all cobbled together to support a personal agenda (just like WMA and the iraquis).

All this opinionated tittle tattle is unsupported unsourced supposition by armchair pundits wno unfortunately can gain air time on a platform like TVC. Try spouting your rubbish in a public debate and you would be shot down in flames

nuff said

Bernard Trink

source BKK post

Do you have a link for this Bangkok Post writing?

[hammered]

While a "debate" on the intentions and make up of the Carlyle group is mildly interesting on a quiet day, is there anyone who would prefer to see a return of this thread to the quite serious and probably more important topic for most of us living in Thailand?

[younghusband]

While a "debate" on the intentions and make up of the Carlyle group is mildly interesting on a quiet day, is there anyone who would prefer to see a return of this thread to the quite serious and probably more important topic for most of us living in Thailand?

I agree.It's not even very interesting on a quiet day but it's not a "debate", just a demolition of ignorant nonsense.It probably will have no impact because the Carlyle Group has an iconic status among simple minded lefties as part of the capitalist "axis of evil" - along with Wall Street, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher,George Soros etc etc.Let them witter away to their hearts content.Sorry for boring the rest of you.

[John K]

Let me explain how Thaksin is a major player. If someone was to make an announcement that the bird flu had changed to a highly contagious human to human air borne virus in Bangkok, people would simply leave if it was true or not. That is simply a suggestion.

If someone says something about Thaksin staging a coup, and knowing his track record and popularity in parts of the country, people would conclude that it is actually happening and react accordingly even if it there was no truth to the statement. The fact that troop movements in the part of Thailand that supports Thaksin happened, this thread and supporting rumors were the result of that suggestion. Believable suggestions could cause enough chaos and confusion that people would be hurt and whatever else you could imagine. So yes he is a player even if he has not a single baht.

[Johpa]

This response simply compounds your folly.If you rely mainly on eccentric websites or googling for your information, you are going to be wrong on almost everything.You don't seem to have taken on board any of the information in Carlyle's own web site.I know your opinion will never change (the use of the term "international crony capitalism" gives your game away) but you are completely and utterly misguided on this subject.The world's major ethical investor, Calpers, out of California is a significant investor in Carlyle incidentally.You are also comically ill informed if you think the directors of Carlyle would lift one finger to help Thaksin out of his predicament.Thailand doesn't figure in their investment portfolio and never has, though they had a recce at the time of the economic crisis in the mid 1990's.

I see, you are implying that using the web for research is folly and that web sites that hold an opionion that differ from your own are by default "eccentric". So perhaps you might want to try searching on Amazon for books on Carlyle written by other muddleheads. Or are books that hold opposing opinions to yours also deeemed folly-filled?

I never noted that Carlyle was involved in unethical investing of the sort that interests Calpers. Nor have I even faintly hinted that Carlyle would lift a finger for Thaksin over his current situtation. And nowhere did anyone state that Carlyle invests in Thailand on a regular basis and I do not know whether they have ever invested in a Thai company as I doubt Thailand has the types of investment opportunities that they have historically sought after.

So if you find what people do not say as being comical and you find yourself laughing at some ether-filled vacuum, then perhaps you should seek professional counseling. Or for less money, perhaps stop watching Fox news and learn how to reason coherently and not have to rely upon ad hominem attacks.

[aaaaaa]

The Nation offers some insight on Why such rumors about new coup possibility has started:

Must-Read Blog

Our military expert explains why the coup rumours have happened and questions whether another coup will be staged in the foreseeable future.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/webblog/vi...21&bid=1422

so, personally I won't try to speculate on who and why has started it.

however few things are obviously evident:

- near the place I live even during coup there was no so many soldiers as now, although CNS says (see some recent post by Jai Dee) that they haven't deployed army in Bkk.

- inside subway I neither seen any soldiers that time as now.

- today on Thai TV they were showing some report with bunches of people from country side arriving (or on the way?) to Bkk.

[drummer]

You are trying to make it look like I'm performing VooDoo! Its really quite simple. OK - Bush has been a major player in the oil and intelligence fields for decades. His father , Prescott Bush, was a major player himself and Bush Sr got his start with a silver spoon, in the form of contacts.

Bush Sr. was clearly involved in Iran-Contra. Almost certainly a playmaker. I don't feel the need to defend this point. If you need proof, go back and read the records.

Incidentally, Ollie North led the raid to free the Iranian Hostages in '79 ... this would be the one that got plced in a sandstorm despite the use of high res satellite imagery - which they had+used but was classified back in '79

While Carter had negotiated the release of the hostages, he had timed the agreed upon release of the hostages for October, to give him an election boost. Bush renogotiated the release time for January, until after the election. To convince the Mullahs, he agreed to sell them weapons. The money from the weapons sales was then laundered through BCCI and subsequently used to fund the Contras.

Again, there are plenty of sources available for you. Unless you still believe that Clinton "did not have sexual relations with that woman"

since he was Reagan's VP, and you can link GHW Bush to the Caryle group since he worked for them later,

and just for good measure you throw in the personal slur against me that I must believe that Saddam personally picked the 911 hijackers and that I must consider Ollie North to be a hero.

That is mostly just for good measure, but also to indicate that you are taking the goverment line word for word, without actually thinking for yourself.

I'm surprised that you didn't also bring up Walmart, Halliburton, Global Warming and accuse me of being in favor of tax cuts for the rich and clubbing baby seals. Your line of reasoning is interesting and definitely establishes wrongdoing on the part of Carlyle Group in the past, and since George HW Bush visted Thailand not long ago, it also makes clear that the Carlyle Group must be plotting the ouster of the Thai coup leaders.

I dont think you are stupid, nor evil. I just think you don't take the time to educate yourself. There are bound to be some good guys in the Carlyle Group, but there are very clearly some major neer-do-wells - Men with power and influence, and a history of covert and ammoral action.

I *WAS* rambling a little off topic, though I don't think there will be a re-coup. I think ththe current guys in are very capable, and also have the support of the King. I think Thailand will be very hard to destabilize. I am wary or the coup gov't, but am generally reassured by various happenings that these guys are in fact good guys to have in charge.

However, you must see that it is simply good business to affect policy, do you not? And that it has the most effect to do this behind closed doors? In addition, it is the M.O. of the CIA and other groups to destabilize. It is a blueprint laid down by Project Ajax, and repeated because it worked so very well. Again, I think Thailand is far more stable than most governments.

Oh ... and a few of the major players in Iran Contra include:

*Robert Gates, the incoming Secretary of Defense, replacing Donald Rumsfeld

*John Bolton, the outgoing US Ambassador to the UN

*Dick Cheney, current Vice President

*David Addington, now Vice President Cheney's chief of staff,

*Manuchehr Ghorbanifar+Michael Ledeen, important new sources for the Pentagon on current Iranian affairs (over CIA objections)

*Edwin Meese, on the new Iraq Study Group

*John Negroponte, Ambassador to Iraq, then director of national intelligence

*John Poindexter, head of the Pentagon's Total Information Awareness program (formally disbanded about 3 years ago)

But, I'm moer than certain that all their re-appointments are merely a coincidence. Good on them to have all reformed like that!

[drummer]

This response simply compounds your folly.If you rely mainly on eccentric websites or googling for your information, you are going to be wrong on almost everything.You don't seem to have taken on board any of the information in Carlyle's own web site. I know your opinion will never change (the use of the term "international crony capitalism" gives your game away) but you are completely and utterly misguided on this subject.

International Crony Capitalism?

naaaahhhhh - it could never exist. Afterall, all corruption is strictly limited to Thailand, and Thailand ONLY. There is no way that Western businessmen could even engage in anything illegal.

And if you need any proof, jus ask THEM!!!! say... that really streamlines the justice system. "So, Pres. Clinton. Did you hve sex with that woman?" "No sir" "Ok, thats good enough for me!"

The world's major ethical investor, Calpers, out of California is a significant investor in Carlyle incidentally.

OF COURSE!!! there totally legit, then!!! If the world's leading ethics company is getting money from them, then there is no way they'd actually do anything covert!

You are also comically ill informed if you think the directors of Carlyle would lift one finger to help Thaksin out of his predicament.Thailand doesn't figure in their investment portfolio and never has, though they had a recce at the time of the economic crisis in the mid 1990's.

I do agree here.

[drummer]

Oops ... I wouldn't put it past certain players to do the bombings...

I've been arguing that Carlyle associations lend more credence to Thaksin/supports carrynig out the bombings (by associating him with people who have a long history of doing very much the same thing.

There is another side to it, too. Project Ajax, the blueprint for government destabilization plans, was carried out as a favor to Great Britain. While money makes the world go 'round, it is personal connections and networking that is the glue. Busines people often do things just for the sake of a relationship.

Having said this, the bombings were almost certainly carried out by Thais, indiciating that this was mostly "in-house." On the other hand, there are covert anti-terrorism units in Thailand fighting the "War on Terror"... Just speculating that help would be plausible. No power play would be made without powerful support...

[Jai Dee]

CNS said no point to find problem to itself by spreading rumours of 2nd round coup

The Council for National Security (CNS) Spokesperson, Col.Sansuarn Kaewdamnuen (สรรเสริญ แก้วกำเนิด) has affirmed that there is no need for CNS to find problem to itself by spreading rumors of a possible 2nd round of coup d’etat. He said people are smart enough to know what is happening in the current situation.

Regarding Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont’s warning of possible violence within these few months, Col. Sansuarn said that the premier just wanted to warn people so that they will prepare themselves to deal with the situation. He said that the warning stemmed from the evaluation of the situations, including arsom attacks at schools, the opponents against the government and the CNS, bomb blasts, and the news alleging CNS’s internal conflicts and possible 2nd round of coup d’etat.

The premier believes that ill-intentioned groups will not end their action within a short period. As a result, the premier and CNS view that it is better to inform people according to reality.

In response to caretaker Thai Rak Thai Party leader Chaturon Chaisang’s (จาตุรนต์ ฉายแสง) indication that news about possible 2nd round of coup d’etat was created by state authorities, Col.Sansuarn said that there is no concrete evidence of the matter, adding that ill-intentioned groups aiming to cause chaos to the country. He said that details of news will be distorted to cause anxiety amongst people.

Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 08 January 2007

[Mid]

he said , she said , they said .....................

is there anyone at the helm ?

[Plus]

Guys, lease, until you can show any reason why Carlyle would get involved with Thaksin and regime change in Thailand, get your good selves another thread. The last few pages were a bit too much.

Coup rumors were most likely linked to New Year bombings, part of the same campaign. People might not have been outright scared and close to panicking but the danger level has significantly increased.

It might fizzle out in a few days, otherwise terror must be sustained or it will be dismissed as a one-off fluke.

[Siripon]

Guys, lease, until you can show any reason why Carlyle would get involved with Thaksin and regime change in Thailand, get your good selves another thread. The last few pages were a bit too much.

Coup rumors were most likely linked to New Year bombings, part of the same campaign. People might not have been outright scared and close to panicking but the danger level has significantly increased.

It might fizzle out in a few days, otherwise terror must be sustained or it will be dismissed as a one-off fluke.

Think of Thaksin, stuck in Bejing, freezing to death in the country of his ancestors whose graves he never bothered to visit until last year.

Why stay in Bejing after saying the winter was too cold in England?!

Obviously to link up with minions.

Vindictive, vengeful, fearful of losing his reputation, apart from his home and all that means, his only hope is that the junta crumbles and all the law cases against his regime currently looming can be dismissed.

To do that he must show the junta is incapable of maintaining safety and are people of disrepute.

Expect more scares, 'naturally by southern separatists.'