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Prominent U.S. religious conservatives defend Trump after Charlottesville

By Doina Chiacu and Sarah N. Lynch

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump responds to a reporter's question after signing a memorandum at the White House in Washington, U.S. on August 14, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two prominent religious conservatives defended U.S. President Donald Trump on Sunday after he was widely criticized for blaming both white nationalists and counter-protesters for last weekend's violence at a Virginia rally organised by neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

 

Evangelical Christian Jerry Falwell Jr said Trump could be more polished and politically correct but is not racist. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who last week criticized the white nationalists' "evil, sinful, disgusting behaviour," said unequivocally on Sunday that the faith community stood by Trump.

 

The responses reflect a balancing act by conservative Christians as they try to square the images that emerged from the Virginia city of Charlottesville last weekend - torch-carrying white supremacists and neo-Nazis toting swastika flags - with support for a president that failed to condemn them roundly and immediately.

 

Trump alienated fellow Republicans, corporate leaders and U.S. allies with his comments about the violence that broke out at a white nationalist protest against the removal of a Confederate statue in Charlottesville. He said "many sides" were to blame and that there were "very fine people" on both sides.

 

Trump also decried the removal of Civil War monuments to the Confederacy that several cities have deemed offensive for their connection to slavery.

 

But the remarks, including those at a fiery Trump news conference on Tuesday, may not dent support from his political base, where white evangelical Christian voters are a major component.

 

Many in the evangelical Christian community condemned the neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacists who marched in the University of Virginia town before one of them ploughed through a crowd of counter-protesters and killed a 32-year-old woman.

 

Fewer criticized Trump directly.

 

Falwell, president of the Christian-based Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, said Trump likely had more detailed information on protesters when he described "fine people" on both sides.

 

"One of the reasons I supported him is because he doesn't say what's politically correct, he says what is in his heart," Falwell told ABC's "This Week" programme. "But he does not have a racist bone in his body."

 

National Public Radio reported on Sunday that a number of Liberty University graduates were preparing to return their diplomas to protest his support for Trump. Falwell said they misunderstood that support.

 

FAITH COUNCIL LOSES ONE MEMBER

 

Huckabee, a conservative Baptist minister before entering politics, said Trump "has the faith community."

 

"This is an attempt to discredit and ultimately dislodge Donald Trump from the White House," Huckabee told Fox Business Network.

 

Huckabee noted that only one person on a faith council that advises Trump had stepped down since the controversy.

New York City megachurch pastor A.R. Bernard said he left Trump's unofficial evangelical advisory board on Tuesday after having distanced himself for several months as "it became obvious that there was a deepening conflict in values between myself and the administration."

 

Johnnie Moore, an evangelical adviser to the White House, said in a statement he deeply respects Bernard. "We have every intention to continue to extend invitations to him to contribute his perspective on issues important to all of us," he said.

 

Pastor Mark Burns, an African-American televangelist who leads a small congregation in South Carolina and serves on the board, said in an interview on MSNBC on Saturday that he stood by Trump.

 

"I don’t believe he supported neo-Nazis, I don't believe he's supporting white supremacists at all," Burns said in an interview with MSNBC on Saturday. "I would have personally said stronger (things) in reference to the KKK, neo-Nazis, but I don’t have all the information."

 

Franklin Graham, the president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, denounced bigotry and racism on his Facebook page a day after the Charlottesville violence, but at the same time, he also took aim at politicians who tried to connect Trump to that turmoil.

 

One member of the evangelical community, biblical studies professor Denny Burk of Boyce College in Kentucky, condemned the president's remarks at Tuesday's news conference as "more than disappointing."

 

"They were morally bankrupt and completely unacceptable. People who protest while chanting Nazi slogans are not 'very fine people,'" Burk wrote in an article posted on his Facebook page.

 

(Reporting by Doina Chiacu, Sarah N. Lynch, Julia Harte; Writing by Doina Chiacu; Editing by Caren Bohan and Mary Milliken)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-08-21

[Samui Bodoh]

Religious conservatives stand by Trump in order to maintain their power and influence.

 

Jesus would be sooooo proud!

[darksidedog]

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would place any stock in anything that comes from the mouths of delusional people who BELIEVE in a fictional work of literature, that has the date of creation out by a few billion years. If you can deny scientific facts and try to tell me the earth is only 5,500 years old, any other proclamation or judgment call you make has very little credibility. I believe in supporting Donald, they are getting it wrong again.

[boomerangutang]

Evangelical Christian Jerry Falwell Jr said Trump could be more polished and politically correct but is not racist. Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who last week criticized the white nationalists' "evil, sinful, disgusting behaviour," said unequivocally on Sunday that the faith community stood by Trump.

 

Falwell is the Newt Gingrich of Religious Business in the USA.  He's as religious as a stuffed toilet at McDonalds.   Huckabee is to religion what dirt clod is to soup.  There's a lot of religion in the USA.  But spiritual folks aren't found in orthodox religion.   They're humble, and are found in out-of-the-way places which we don't hear about in Religion Business magazines.  

[boomerangutang]

2 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would place any stock in anything that comes from the mouths of delusional people who BELIEVE in a fictional work of literature, that has the date of creation out by a few billion years. If you can deny scientific facts and try to tell me the earth is only 5,500 years old, any other proclamation or judgment call you make has very little credibility. I believe in supporting Donald, they are getting it wrong again.

Right.  And a lot of the rednecks itching for brawling, at Charlottesville, would call themselves religious, if you asked them.  

[Rancid]

Interesting that Trump gets labelled a fascist by the corporate media. Yet Obama of course got a free pass.

 

In a U.N. vote, on November 21st, only 3 countries - US (Obama), Ukraine and Canada - voted against a resolution to condemn racist fascism, or Nazism, and to condemn Germany's WW2 Holocaust primarily against Jews.  Ukraine I can understand as they are fascists themselves, but why US and Canada?

 

Seems fake Progressives always get media support as that is PC, for everyone else it is about ostracize and label them for their views, some would call that totalitarianism.

[Jonnapat]

I should love to know how these "so-called " religious sects align themselves with hard right wing policies and actions which are almost always the opposite of the Bible's teachings.

There are so many of these groups in the USA and must be completely brainwashed by their masters who are only in the game for the publicity and cash rewards on ""God tv"".

[maewang99]

of course they do.

science now posits that about 150,000 years ago one particular Homonid was instilled with what we can call "Chomsky's Snowflake", the reason we all acquire a language by 2 and a half. 

 

it was sudden and quick.. not slowly evolved. as we previously thought.

everyone has it. no one has more of it than another, nor of a different, better or worse, quality. so.... Nazism and racism have no science basis, because the thing that makes us sapiens was sudden and simple.  that's why Chomsky used a snowflake as an analogy. like "String Theory" is used for everyday folk concerning physics.

but the Abrahamic religions have as their basic thesis that man was created in the Image of God.  and it's easy in that context to imagine one particular image, and that some folks more closely match that image than others do.  and the "religious experts" are worried about someone like me, a rare person who knows some science I guess.. connecting the dots between racism, Nazism...  and Christian thinking German-Americans.... and plain old everyday.... Germans of a previous one time special generation only... so they say...

hey.
 

All Men Have A Chomskian Snowflake. and women. that's what kept George Washington awake at night.. besides his dentures.  He hadn't lived to be in the Age of Noam Chomsky.... whom we have never seen on TV since The Firing Line debacle in the 1960's..... for some weird reason I guess, can anyone figure it out?.... he was never seen again on......

*****American***** TV... and.....

God Bless Noam Chomsky......

he is still alive and kicking in his 90's.     







 

Edited August 21, 2017 by maewang99

[iReason]

1 hour ago, Rancid said:

Interesting that Trump gets labelled a fascist by the corporate media. Yet Obama of course got a free pass.

 

In a U.N. vote, on November 21st, only 3 countries - US (Obama), Ukraine and Canada - voted against a resolution to condemn racist fascism, or Nazism, and to condemn Germany's WW2 Holocaust primarily against Jews.

 

Nice try.

Naa, not really :

 

Russia criticizes Canada for voting against its UN resolution to combat 'glorification of Nazism'

 

"Canada is strongly opposed to the glorification of Nazism and all forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and intolerance."

 

"We are deeply concerned by the rise of neo-Nazism in many parts of the world, and are committed to eliminating racism and discrimination, in all their forms,” said François Lasallle, a spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade."

 

“However, the resolution put forward at the United Nations General Assembly Third Committee on November 21 on the glorification of Nazism regrettably includes references which are counterproductive to this goal, including by seeking to limit freedom of expression, assembly and opinion.”

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/russia-criticizes-canada-for-voting-against-its-un-resolution-to-combat-glorification-of-nazism/wcm/58169469-3961-4a70-8687-7585c2d70240

 

 

Why Canada Voted Against Resolution At UN To Combat 'Glorification Of Nazism'

"Given its narrow focus and these concerns, Canada did not vote in favour of the resolution," Lasalle concluded."

 

"The representative from Ukraine said before the vote last week that despite opposing Nazism, he could not support the resolution

because it did not condemn Stalinism in equally strong terms."

"The U.S. representative said she questioned the "overt political motives" behind Russia's resolution and similarly could not vote in favour."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/26/canada-united-nations-nazism-resolution_n_6228152.html

 

The website from which you cribbed your words verbatim , (unattributed) :

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40313.htm

 

And in the website's own words:

What Or Who is Information Clearing House? 

One person's effort to correct the distorted perceptions provided by commercial media. 

This web site is the work of one person.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/who.htm

 

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Information Clearing House

"In addition, the ICH does not meet WP:WEB criterion of mention in “reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper and magazine articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations”

 

"Reliable here is defined under WP:RS, which does not include blogs and other sources without editorial oversight."

 

"Nor does the article provide proof that its subject meets one of these criteria via inlined links

or a "Reference" or "External link" section, as is required under WP:WEB."

 

In other words, your "source" is a muck-raker.

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by iReason

[RobFord]

 
Nice try.
Naa, not really :
 
Russia criticizes Canada for voting against its UN resolution to combat 'glorification of Nazism'
 
"Canada is strongly opposed to the glorification of Nazism and all forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and intolerance."
 
"We are deeply concerned by the rise of neo-Nazism in many parts of the world, and are committed to eliminating racism and discrimination, in all their forms,” said François Lasallle, a spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade."
 
“However, the resolution put forward at the United Nations General Assembly Third Committee on November 21 on the glorification of Nazism regrettably includes references which are counterproductive to this goal, including by seeking to limit freedom of expression, assembly and opinion.”
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/russia-criticizes-canada-for-voting-against-its-un-resolution-to-combat-glorification-of-nazism/wcm/58169469-3961-4a70-8687-7585c2d70240
 
 
Why Canada Voted Against Resolution At UN To Combat 'Glorification Of Nazism'
"Given its narrow focus and these concerns, Canada did not vote in favour of the resolution," Lasalle concluded."
 
"The representative from Ukraine said before the vote last week that despite opposing Nazism, he could not support the resolution

because it did not condemn Stalinism in equally strong terms."

"The U.S. representative said she questioned the "overt political motives" behind Russia's resolution and similarly could not vote in favour."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/26/canada-united-nations-nazism-resolution_n_6228152.html

 

The website from which you cribbed your words verbatim , (unattributed) :

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40313.htm

 

And in the website's own words:

What Or Who is Information Clearing House? 

One person's effort to correct the distorted perceptions provided by commercial media. 
This web site is the work of one person.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/who.htm
 
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Information Clearing House
"In addition, the ICH does not meet WP:WEB criterion of mention in “reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper and magazine articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations”
 
"Reliable here is defined under WP:RS, which does not include blogs and other sources without editorial oversight."
 
"Nor does the article provide proof that its subject meets one of these criteria via inlined links
or a "Reference" or "External link" section, as is required under WP:WEB."
 
In other words, your "source" is a muck-raker.

 

Good work busting Rancid.

Kudos.



"Richard Spencer has said he is worried the video of him being punched in the face after the inauguration of Donald Trump will become “the meme to end all memes”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alt-right-richard-spencer-punched-anti-donald-trump-protest-meme-pepe-the-frog-inauguration-day-a7541461.html


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[GarryP]

7 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Religious conservatives stand by Trump in order to maintain their power and influence.

 

Jesus would be sooooo proud!

Jesus wept!!!

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, maewang99 said:

of course they do.

science now posits that about 150,000 years ago one particular Homonid was instilled with what we can call "Chomsky's Snowflake", the reason we all acquire a language by 2 and a half. 

 

it was sudden and quick.. not slowly evolved. as we previously thought.

everyone has it. no one has more of it than another, nor of a different, better or worse, quality. so.... Nazism and racism have no science basis, because the thing that makes us sapiens was sudden and simple.  that's why Chomsky used a snowflake as an analogy. like "String Theory" is used for everyday folk concerning physics.

but the Abrahamic religions have as their basic thesis that man was created in the Image of God.  and it's easy in that context to imagine one particular image, and that some folks more closely match that image than others do.  and the "religious experts" are worried about someone like me, a rare person who knows some science I guess.. connecting the dots between racism, Nazism...  and Christian thinking German-Americans.... and plain old everyday.... Germans of a previous one time special generation only... so they say...

hey.
 

All Men Have A Chomskian Snowflake. and women. that's what kept George Washington awake at night.. besides his dentures.  He hadn't lived to be in the Age of Noam Chomsky.... whom we have never seen on TV since The Firing Line debacle in the 1960's..... for some weird reason I guess, can anyone figure it out?.... he was never seen again on......

*****American***** TV... and.....

God Bless Noam Chomsky......

he is still alive and kicking in his 90's.     







 

A fascinating post, although I may be forgiven for describing it as somewhat rambling! Yes "Chomsky's snowflake" - the change in the foxpro gene I believe, is very likely to have been a once only event (DNA mutation in this case), as would probably have been the Eukaryotic cell from which we all are derived, according to those Scientific folk. But back to topic, the interference of the US religious nutters in politics has a sad reflection in the otherwise admirable Chomsky's recent statements. So obsessed has he become with the evils of American capitalism and economic imperialism, that he continually denies the prime responsibility of religion in the ME conflicts. Apparently the poverty and exploitation is what fuels their war against the west. Strange then that there are many highly educated (Doctors etc) and well paid Jihadis from comfortable backgrounds. The religious conservatives that back Trump have twisted religion as far as the Wahhabi Sunnis, and in a surprisingly similar manner, not that the material that they were twisting had anything to recommend it anyway.