A real stitch up. The Bangkok elite have a lot to answer for. I really hope when the election is finally allowed the powers to be, the army, the so called elite - who don't care about the country, just their pockets!! Will all be brought to justice. They are EVIL and the main problem with the country. Hiw coukd Yinluk have a fair trual with all thise against her. The country needs an uprising to clear out the elitism. It is like being in England in the 1890's. Servants, class, heirochry, etc ......

2 hours ago, Tilacme said:

Did you ever try to get your head around the 1973 OPEC crisis.  Shut the tap and prices go up. 

 

What Yingluck didn't factor was India and others upping production to fill the gap. 

 

A very different commodity. The OPEC crisis caused a shortage of oil. There was never any prospect of there being a shortage of rice with so many other countries - India, Vietnam, Japan etc - producing it . That is exactly the problem - it wasn't thought through. Normal in Thailand. Plan stage one and never consider the consequences.

2 minutes ago, amdy2206 said:

A real stitch up. The Bangkok elite have a lot to answer for. I really hope when the election is finally allowed the powers to be, the army, the so called elite - who don't care about the country, just their pockets!! Will all be brought to justice. They are EVIL and the main problem with the country. Hiw coukd Yinluk have a fair trual with all thise against her. The country needs an uprising to clear out the elitism. It is like being in England in the 1890's. Servants, class, heirochry, etc ......

The   elite? What is  that  now? The  Bangkok  elite  are  way and are  far  removed  from the  English  of the  1890's and have always been.  Never  heard  mentioned  a second  tier of  parliamentary system that  has a  House of Lords  in Thailand. !

yeah and quietly in the background the money he allegedly made is being distributed around.  In a short time things will die down and he will be released

24 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The   elite? What is  that  now?

What is the elite in Thailand? Hope this is tongue in cheek.

IMO that  if  Yingluck  has run then  it is a confirmation of  the  lack of  defence against the   charges. 

Despite  reservations  about the motivation or  legality  of those  charges under what could be considered  "normal"  circumstances the  political inferences  should  not  overshadow the  very fact that there  was  massive  corruption  involving the shafting  of  the  same population in general that had  been persuaded  to  trust.

Was it a  last  ditch effort  or a ridiculous assumption  of continued  naivity?  If  nothing  else the   current regime  has  determindley  cut short   many such   systematic  corruptions of the  poor  dependant.

 Despite  unsubstantiated accusations about alternative  feathering of  nests who  can  realistically  deny that  the current regime  has  made  massive  improvements  in general  infrastructure and encouraged  and supported both  individual and  community  projects as opposed  to  dependance  on   petty  handouts?

Comment from those  ensconced  in  urban  situations  remain ignorant  of the  fact that they are  limited in their  capity  to  be  critical of the  national reality.

If  the  Shiniwatra family dynasty  has been  reduced  to  exile I shed  no tears. I am sure  they will  never  be as poor  as those  they  systematically  have  duped! It  may  even  hasten  the return of a  dubious  democratically elected  regime.

 

 

7 hours ago, seajae said:

farce, he was caught with fake rice deals, the only farce are those that think this is a set up  but then again you lot cannot accept the truth even with all the evidence, show how pathetic the ones calling this fake are

If happening in China, the culprits got shot already, behind the court.    

 

Yingluck gone - no loss! 

Edited August 25, 20178 yr by ALFREDO

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What is the elite in Thailand? Hope this is tongue in cheek.

Yes. And  no. Defination  of  such  is  mainly subjective.

As in all mafia families, only small hands end up in prison. Their masters take advantage of their poorly acquired fortunes without bothering about the fate of these people.

Next departure for Dubai in 42 years

16 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Yes. And  no. Defination  of  such  is  mainly subjective.

Not in Thailand. If you don't know what 'elite' means in Thailand in the political spectrum I suggest you have a look at ....(thinking about this)....THE INTERNET.

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not in Thailand. If you don't know what 'elite' means in Thailand in the political spectrum I suggest you have a look at ....(thinking about this)....THE INTERNET.

Just to add, if you are in Thailand, make sure you have a reliable VPN before you start searching ... and do not "share" or quote any dodgy sites that you find - unless you enjoy prison food.

1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The   elite? What is  that  now? The  Bangkok  elite  are  way and are  far  removed  from the  English  of the  1890's and have always been.  Never  heard  mentioned  a second  tier of  parliamentary system that  has a  House of Lords  in Thailand. !

It's not an official institution. With official power. But it's there. You've never heard of the network monarchy?

1 minute ago, tomta said:

It's not an official institution. With official power. But it's there. You've never heard of the network monarchy?

The  " House  of  Lords " is  an unelected official institution  with  judicil powers.

The  "Network  Monarchy" is  not  an official institution  but  can  not deny it  exists  or has  influence.

It is  a question of  comparing  apples  with  apples in general rather  than pointing a  finger in isolation is it  not ?

Dumb ass to stay around for the verdict, he should have followed the leader

4 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

OK The rice was sold locally.  What has happened to those who bought it locally?

I'm pretty sure I bought some - it tasted kind of moldy.

8 hours ago, nikmar said:

Wonder what Yingluck wouldve got if she was found guilty.

The press had reported maximum 10 years.

1 hour ago, ALFREDO said:

If happening in China, the culprits got shot already, behind the court.    

 

Yingluck gone - no loss! 

Some of us feel the same way about some of you. 

The head clown& his henchmen sentences will be much much worse when all the smoke clears

11 hours ago, mark131v said:

Well they had to punish somebody didn't they look like he has drawn the short straw...

 

Hope the international press start looking into this as it goes someway to showing why YL has fled, no real reason to stay for a show trial with a predetermined punishment in a justice system that lacks justice...

The trial may have been a farce with a pre determined outcome but

YL and her cronies are 100% guilty of massive corruption and a fully

deserving of long prison sentences. I am not concerned about the

ill designed program to help the poor farmers. I am aghast at the amount

of malfeasance uncovered that benefitted others and not the poor farmers.

The G to G fake rice deals, storage scams, etc, etc. She (brother) came up

with the policy and she oversaw it directly so she is ultimately responsible.

If she had only came up with the plan and had others oversee the program

she would only be guilty of stupidity, and what politician is not. But

she put herself in charge and is responsible.

Gotta love the varying opinions on TV. If he got nothing or a small sentence there'd be those up in arms that the Thai justice system is a joke.

A criminal gets his fair whack and the system makes an example of him and there's cries that it's a joke and insane. 

Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't lol

Gotta start moping up the underlings. A cautious show of force.

1 hour ago, Ulic said:

The trial may have been a farce with a pre determined outcome but

YL and her cronies are 100% guilty of massive corruption and a fully

deserving of long prison sentences. I am not concerned about the

ill designed program to help the poor farmers. I am aghast at the amount

of malfeasance uncovered that benefitted others and not the poor farmers.

The G to G fake rice deals, storage scams, etc, etc. She (brother) came up

with the policy and she oversaw it directly so she is ultimately responsible.

If she had only came up with the plan and had others oversee the program

she would only be guilty of stupidity, and what politician is not. But

she put herself in charge and is responsible.

I don't know about that! For that regime, it was business as usual, and when you are operating on that mindset, rules and laws are meaningless. The same thing happened in America when Nixon was thrown out. It was common practice to wiretap other Government offices. Nixon has been in that environment his entire political career. Unfortunately, sometimes the prevailing wind is originated by self serving retards that have no clue about Global Politics. What often ensues is loss of cohesion acrross Nation States that results in let us say, (at least in this case) a Genocide in which two million people lost there lives in Cambodia. Gives a whole new meaning to the American phrase, "The Shot Heard around the World".

13 hours ago, mark131v said:

Well they had to punish somebody didn't they look like he has drawn the short straw...

 

Hope the international press start looking into this as it goes someway to showing why YL has fled, no real reason to stay for a show trial with a predetermined punishment in a justice system that lacks justice...

Except her and her brother are as guilty as hell.

42 years in the slammer for one, she ran because it was a scam and cost the country billions of dollars. She knows it, but usual Thai style denies it was her responsibility as PM?

Joke!

 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, nikmar said:

Wonder what Yingluck wouldve got if she was found guilty.

Most popular view is she would have got a suspended sentence of 10 years, been fined whatever they can grab (all assets) and disqualified from politics for life.

Which would be about right.

 

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I don't think the sentence was too much a surprise.  Denial of bail, on the other hand, may have foiled some overly clever strategies and left some private jets warmed up, on the tarmac, but with no passengers...

 

I wonder if the pretty lady guessed lucky, got tipped off, or just decided not to risk it?

 

Pretty lady?

Conniving, corrupt, lying and now fugitive older woman you mean.

Look beyond the face...

So many guys just think with the little head in their trousers.

 

 

 

Court hands down tough sentences

By The Nation

 

Boonsong

 

Excommerce minister Boonsong gets 42 years in jail but lawyer to seek bail before appeal

THE SUPREME Court yesterday sentenced former commerce minister Boonsong Teriyapirom and 19 others to jail terms of 24-48 years for their leading roles in executing fake government-to-government (G-to-G) rice deals during the previous Yingluck government’s tenure, causing Bt16.9-billion financial damage to the state.

 

Boonsong got a harsh sentence of 42 years while former deputy commerce minister Phumi Saraphol was given a 36-year jail term for approving four G-to-G rice export deals with China which turned out to be bogus, causing the massive financial damage to taxpayers.

 

A former chief of the Department of Foreign Trade at the Commerce Ministry as well as other senior officials responsible for international rice trading were also sentenced to lengthy jail terms as was Apichart Jansakulporn, owner of rice trading firm Siam Indiga Co.

 

Boonsong and others were sent to the Bangkok central prison after the high court read the verdict on this controversial case which is connected to the previous government’s rice-pledging scheme in which former premier Yingluck Shinawatra was accused of negligence of duty while implementing the programme.

 

 

According to the highest court, both ex-ministers violated several sections of the Criminal Code |and abused their authority when formulating the G-to-G deals which turned out to be fake with no rice exported to China as announced.

 

Instead of exporting the rice to China, the first deal led to the illegal sale of 2.19 million tonnes of government-owned rice, acquired under the rice-pledging scheme, at a relatively low price of Bt10,000 to multiple domestic traders who benefited from the lack of competitive bidding.

 

Siam Indiga owner Apichart, who is already imprisoned in a separate fraud case, was instrumental in colluding with state officials to make illegal rice sales to domestic traders for huge profits.

 

The first bogus deal involving 2.19 million tonnes of rice resulted in an estimated Bt9.7-billion financial damage to the state.

 

In the second deal, another 2 million tonnes of rice was also sold domestically at a relatively low price to domestic traders, not exported to China as announced, resulting in an estimated Bt1.29-billion financial damage.

 

When two other fake deals were included, the state suffered financial damage estimated at a total of Bt16.9 billion.

 

The high court also ordered Apichart, Siam Indiga and others to pay Bt16.9 billion compensation to the state.

 

Bogus G-to-G export deals with China were understood to be tactics used to promote the rice-pledging programme to ensure that there was public support since large quantities of rice purchased from farmers at an inflated price could be quickly exported to big markets like China.

 

According to the court, there were a total of 28 persons indicted in this case, including officials of seven private rice-trading firms, but two persons fled and seven were acquitted.

 

All 4 G-to-G deals were invalid

 

The high court held a total of 20 hearings on this case with 27 witnesses provided by the public prosecutors and 103 witnesses provided by the defendants.

 

According to the court, all four G-to-G rice deals signed between the Thai authorities and two Chinese state enterprises, were invalid, since only China National Cereals, Oil and Foodstuff Import Export Corp (COFCO) was authorised to enter into G-to-G deals on behalf of the Chinese government.

 

At this stage, it remains unclear if Boonsong and others would be released on bail on Monday to seek a review of judgements.

 

Under the current Constitution, which became effective in April this year, both defendants and plaintiffs have the right to appeal cases within 30 days, regardless whether there is new evidence or not.

 

A lawyer for Boonsong yesterday also submitted a request to the court for a temporary release of the ex-minister.

 

Kobkiat Kasiwiwat, director-general of the Corrections Department, said all convicted persons will have to provide personal information for prison records and undergo physical examination while those facing jail terms of more than 15 years will be sent to the Klongprem prison.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30324922

 

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-08-26

14 hours ago, Lunchbob said:

Agreed. No farce. Corruption and crime meets justice.

Karma at last,

They all thought they were fire-proof while in power... screwing the country out of millions of baht in one of the most corrupt self help schemes ever launched by a government.

Out of power & beyond Shinawtras help they're being prosecuted by the courts for the crimes they committed..

Unfortunately the loyal Red brain dead followers who cannot see the truth let alone except it can cry all the way back to the north...

Even pretty girl has fled the country before being sentenced, she played the game all the way then did the proverbial family runner, knowing full well she is as guilty as hell for corruption.

31 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Pretty lady?

Conniving, corrupt, lying and now fugitive older woman you mean.

Look beyond the face...

So many guys just think with the little head in their trousers.

 

Mom told me if I can't say something nice...  I dug deep and found something nice to say.  Tongue in cheek though it was.

 

Had nothing to do with my trousers.

 

10 hours ago, robblok said:

I am happy corruption is punished, your a disappointment in that you did not understand how much money this guy stole from the rice program by doing this fake deal. Now he and his minions (not only him) are punished and I am happy about it. It clearly shows the huge corruption in the rice program.

 

Do you even understand what these fake rice deals were.

 

Rice is in storage paid at say 20.000 bt a ton

In G2G deal that rice is sold to China (but it was not China) for 5.000 bt a ton

Rice was never sold to China because the deal was fake, but this rice was sold back into the rice program.. profit (in my example) 15.000 bt per ton. (could be more could be less but you can bet your life on it it was a lot of money)

 

I can't understand that you don't applaud that such a huge corruption scandal is punished... probably because it showed that YL was a corruption enabler. People told her about this..s he did not react.. made her negligent.

 

Nothing political.. all facts 

 

I guess people on the red side are allowed to steal and be corrupt because if they get punished its political. 

Shameful you believe all this.

4 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Shameful you believe all this.

 

Well do you believe boonsong is innocent?