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Getting back to Sah Daeng, it must be obvious to everyone that :

Seh Daeng attempted assassination plus the red guards being drugged all on the same night, the night before the army moves in..........

Well its obvious who did it, however it is surprising that the "government" (the obvious candidate) would be so brazen as to do it and then just deny it, anyone who can work out 2+2=4 should be able to see within milliseconds what has happened here.

If it was last week then the link would not be so obvious as to doing it just before the crackdown starts, that stinks of just complete contempt for the law, mind you, a coup is also complete contempt for the laws of a country - so it all links in really ?

This might be the death nail in Abhisits reputation on the international stage, if it was not slaughtered already.

Not obvious at all, unless you are using some new form of logic.

Try this, Army takes position, reds get out their weapons. Thus the reds did it! Obvious.

Getting back to Sah Daeng, it must be obvious to everyone that :

Seh Daeng attempted assassination plus the red guards being drugged all on the same night, the night before the army moves in..........

Well its obvious who did it, however it is surprising that the "government" (the obvious candidate) would be so brazen as to do it and then just deny it, anyone who can work out 2+2=4 should be able to see within milliseconds what has happened here.

If it was last week then the link would not be so obvious as to doing it just before the crackdown starts, that stinks of just complete contempt for the law, mind you, a coup is also complete contempt for the laws of a country - so it all links in really ?

This might be the death nail in Abhisits reputation on the international stage, if it was not slaughtered already.

Not obvious at all, unless you are using some new form of logic.

Try this, Army takes position, reds get out their weapons. Thus the reds did it! Obvious.

This picture is in need of a serious explanation, taken at 12.17 today. Whose side are those soldiers on? What are they doing mingling with the reds????

Don't look like real soldiers to me, fatigues don't fit and are out of style? Looks like some quys dressing up like Seh Daeng.

Political assassinations is not going to solve this.

only mean that everybody have to hide in government and army as well. to talk is better but suthep only want to kill because his head is next if have enquiry. why media cannot know this evil man suthep is mystery so must be control by PAD and CRES I think.

going to spread all over bangkok today. Rachprasong is very small area and too many military tied up and reds can run riot with rest of town and country. too many falangs hoping for suthep and newin to save abhisit. wow how big mistake can people make just because hate thaksin.

go mark before you have more blood on hands

It wasn't a "political" assassination. He was a violent criminal, maybe even taken out by his own team.

be quiet u silly man,u dont even know him.

Do you?

Anyone who celebrates Death is beneath contempt and deserves to be treated in that manner.

But more power to the people who are celebrating all the lives that will be saved by this one death.

'...WILL be saved'.....'Really? That remains to be seen - if he is seen as a martyr by the 'redshirt movement', then more deaths not less may be the tragic result.

I don't think that Buddhism and Thai culture are very big on the concept of martyrdom and rising up to kill in the name of the martyr. That's more of a Western/Islamic concept.

Didn't this crap start when the military removed an elected government from office?

No it started when Thaksin bought his way into office, then ignored the coalition government, skyrocketed executive power, ordered the extrajudicial killings of over 2000 people, cheated the treasury and the people out of billions of taxes. Most Thais cheered the 2006 coup. I would rather live under Thai military rule than Chalerm, Jatupron, Arisman, Nattawut, Veera or any other of the Red leadership and so, in my opinion would most Thais. Even better, a democratically elected government without the nouveau riche buying votes, parties and candidates.

It's no coincidence that the Red invasion was launched the day after the courts ruled against returning all of Thaksin's frozen assets. This is in no way a fight for democracy and freedom in any real sense in terms of leadership agenda.

Good post, thanks!

Didn't this crap start when the military removed an elected government from office?

Yes and they tore up the constitution too- not such a good idea really!

How come this was answered before being posted, oh, re-post. Opps, different posters?

Let me re-post SpoliaOpima's answer.

No it started when Thaksin bought his way into office, then ignored the coalition government, skyrocketed executive power, ordered the extrajudicial killings of over 2000 people, cheated the treasury and the people out of billions of taxes. Most Thais cheered the 2006 coup. I would rather live under Thai military rule than Chalerm, Jatupron, Arisman, Nattawut, Veera or any other of the Red leadership and so, in my opinion would most Thais. Even better, a democratically elected government without the nouveau riche buying votes, parties and candidates.

It's no coincidence that the Red invasion was launched the day after the courts ruled against returning all of Thaksin's frozen assets. This is in no way a fight for democracy and freedom in any real sense in terms of leadership agenda.

Thaksin always gets what he wants.

Sae Deng knew too much and Thaksin wanted him out.

Let's see what Thaksin wants next.

so this is your verdict? Thaksin killed him? I've heard it all now...

No one knows, of course, but in this case there are several logical scenarios.

1. Government/police enforcing the law, stopping an obvious and self proclaimed threat.

2. Military, Anupong, remember SD is suspected in the M79 attack on Anupong's office and assassination of the commanding officers on the night of April 10th.

3. Moderate reds who are shaking in their boots and want to prevent the militarization of the movement as threated by SD>

4. Thaksin cleaning up a mess that failed to produce the desired results, removing obvious witness.

I don't buy any of these without some evidence. As for number 4, it would not be Thaksin's first assassination attempt, remember Sondhi was shot in the head.

'logical scenario'? 'enforcing the law'?

assasinating someone is 'enforcing the law'? Jeezeeee even in kindergarden law books it doesn't say shooting someone in the head is 'enforcing the law'

Curious that you only challenge the logic of number 1. Guess it was Thaksin after all.

Anyway, Since when is it illegal for police/authorities to remove an obvious, eminent, and deadly threat to public safety? In this case with multiple warrants and a state of emergency in place, and a self admission by the person posing the threat. Doubt if a court trial would even last very long.

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Put your pig avatar back, it suited you better.

I kind of like the new avatar with an M79 being fired across a blacked out city skyline. Kind of symbolizes what was supposed to happen April 10th????

Thaksin always gets what he wants.

Sae Deng knew too much and Thaksin wanted him out.

Let's see what Thaksin wants next.

so this is your verdict? Thaksin killed him? I've heard it all now...

No one knows, of course, but in this case there are several logical scenarios.

1. Government/police enforcing the law, stopping an obvious and self proclaimed threat.

2. Military, Anupong, remember SD is suspected in the M79 attack on Anupong's office and assassination of the commanding officers on the night of April 10th.

3. Moderate reds who are shaking in their boots and want to prevent the militarization of the movement as threated by SD>

4. Thaksin cleaning up a mess that failed to produce the desired results, removing obvious witness.

I don't buy any of these without some evidence. As for number 4, it would not be Thaksin's first assassination attempt, remember Sondhi was shot in the head.

NYT link http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/asia/14thai.html?hp

eyewitness report by NYT reporter

well reading this eyewitness report it certainly was NOT a sniper unless he fired just when a firecracker went off. sounds more like a handgun was used.

I have heard from a non media source that he was hit by an m79 grenade, or shrapnel there of. That would fit with the NY Times description of an explosive sound. It would also change the picture a lot.

It would "change the picture", but it would also be impossible unless there were several other casualties (such as the reporter who was "two feet away". There weren't. There were no other casualties in the immediate area.

There is, so far, nothing to indicate the sort of weapon used, other than it being a small arm of some description; possily a handgun, possibly a rifle, definitely not a grenade of any description. The reporter had enough sense not to speculate - it is a pity that others here cannot follow his example, instead of becoming armchair experts with nothing to go on.

No, I don't know what happened. I heard this from a military circle and mentioned it more to point out the facts are not yet know, as well as which way this is going to fall. Reporting will still be garbled for a while. However, this just in:

Today, 2010-05-14 00:03:52

Renegade Thai general shot as violence erupts in Bangkok

Anusak Konglang

One of Khattiya's aides told AFP by telephone from the hospital that he was believed to have been shot by a sniper, but there was no confirmation.

The dissident soldier was hit in the right temple and was undergoing an operation in intensive care, a spokesman for the official Erawan emergency centre said, adding that at least one other person was injured.

NYT link http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world/asia/14thai.html?hp

eyewitness report by NYT reporter

well reading this eyewitness report it certainly was NOT a sniper unless he fired just when a firecracker went off. sounds more like a handgun was used.

I have heard from a non media source that he was hit by an m79 grenade, or shrapnel there of. That would fit with the NY Times description of an explosive sound. It would also change the picture a lot.

This PM will go down in history as a TRAITOR to the Thai people.

Extremely unlikely as most all Thais have a clear picture of what's going on in their country.

There is really nothing to cheer about here.

Sadly its only going to trigger a wave of political assasinations - Abhisit, Suthep, Kasit, their family members, others responsible etc - will end up victims of a bomb / grenade / sniper attack.

News Flash Russell, they were ALREADY being targeted,

and Sea Daeng was considered as the leader of those doing that.

He got his own coming back.

My condolences to his daughter for her loss of a father,

but that's as far as it can go.

It's sad. A friend of mine knows Seh Daeng very well. His biggest problem has been being a bit smarter then those around him. His wife passed away a couple of years back and she was reportedly the only person he would really listen to.

I'm sorry to see anyone shot in the head (neck, they say now) but I guess he had it coming. Pretty much every Thai believes he was responsible for assassinating the military commanders on April 10th.

The Red Shirts use the Democracy monument to forward their opinion as their Medias have been censored. understandable....

If this is correct then clearly, based on the things they wrote on Democracy Monument, NOBODY can condemn the gov't for taking the reds message and call to violence off the airwaves.

Edit: These things would be allowed to be aired in any civilized country accept maybe on pay per view.

Like in Pompei, historians are searching for graffitis in order to understand the mood of the roman/ slave population. In 300 years those graffitis will be unvaluable. already more than 2000 years ago, graffitis were existing. today the trend is amplified; unfortunately, it is modern life, a fashion coming from South America: graffitis everywhere, a collateral of modernism. New York, London, Paris....graffitis on our monuments....

Jerry the young,

History is made by those who build monuments, not by those that scrawl graffiti on them.

Weng: Weera remains UDD chairperson

BANGKOK (NNT) -- United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) Chairperson, Weera Musikapong, remains the supreme leader of the group despite his absence on the rally stage during the past few days, according to UDD core leader, MD Weng Tojirakarn.

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It's gone past silly, it's gone past ridiculous, it's now at the supreme junction of demagoguery and fanaticism. I pray that no one gets hurt or killed during the dispersal process; and that the dispersal is also fast so that the residents, who have been lived in fear and disruption of their lives during the rebellion, can return to a peaceful place.

It has become Thai.

Animatic said yesterday "You can't make this stuff up". If it's beyond human imagination, it's guaranteed genuine Thai style. I thought more than a month ago that it might go this way, more shirts, more colors, more complexity, more incomprehensible logic piled higher and deeper until it all evaporates because no one, even the Thais, can figure it out anymore.

We shall see.

Finally a positive non violent move by the PM to end the protest . Why they announce it in advance ? Probably to allow the residents in the area

to prepare themselves .

As for Suthep , i think , that once the protest is over , he should leave the governement , to pave the way for national reconciliation .

Don't know. Both he, Abhisit, and the rest of the government are doing wonders at unraveling an impossible knot, maybe they should stay around for a while for the good of the country. Their going to have a lot of respect when its all over.

Yes the PM is doing good things , i could drink to that . And so does Anupong whom i hope to see take a political role once he leaves the army

Suthep however has been tainted by the 10th April . Some even say his influence on the PM is not good , but i cant say one way or another

Well, OK, I'll drink to Suthep being judged by his actions, when they are known. Goes for everyone I think.

How far does this extend? I live on the edge of the protest in a condo on Petchaburi rd. Am I going to lose my power and water?

When your power comes back on, please post that you are OK.

Otherwise, best of luck, buy candles, flashlights, batteries, etc.

Fill as many containers as possible with water.

Fans, the manual type, can be very valuable when the power is out.

ipods or battery powered sound to kill boredom and help sleep.

Battery powered radio, maybe world band (you don't know if things might get worse or not)

Good luck.

EDIT: Number one tip from the US embassy, STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS.

Finally a positive non violent move by the PM to end the protest . Why they announce it in advance ? Probably to allow the residents in the area

to prepare themselves .

As for Suthep , i think , that once the protest is over , he should leave the governement , to pave the way for national reconciliation .

Don't know. Both he, Abhisit, and the rest of the government are doing wonders at unraveling an impossible knot, maybe they should stay around for a while for the good of the country. Their going to have a lot of respect when its all over.

The leaders are all terrified now as they realise that they are ALL going to jail for a long time and Big Bubba is waiting there for them.... They are trying to get the Buffalos to stay in bangkok to protect them ... and now THAKSIN has sacked most of them and replaced them with new Red Leaders.... sure their asses are a twitching..... and amongst them, they are bitching.... Som nam na....!!!

Remember a few weeks ago, everyone was terrified by the omnipotent reds running amuck everywhere and the government powerless to do anything? And now look at the red leaders shaking in there boots looking for a way out. Someone is being very cool, collected, and rational.

Abhisit should announce "Free amnesty for the first three leaders who spill the most info about Mr. Thaksin. Contest starts today! Results will be posted in one weeks time."

All eligible contestants must bring an original copy of a bail receipt issued not more than two weeks ago.

Sounds like freedom fighters to me

What exactly are they fighting to be free from?

* Censorship

* Military/Establishment influence in politics

* "Managed" democracy in general

* A constitution cooked up by the military/establishment

* Being arrested for writing the wrong things on Facebook.

Can I ask why you believe the establishment (the country's structure) should have no influence in politics?

Or perhaps you are just against antidisestablishmentarianism.

Sorry that was to read Countries not counties. haha

Feel much the same, don't know if it's because I grew up playing the banjo (pretty rusty now).

I will add two more.

Harsh money, banking, and investment rules and laws always stacked against foreigners, and often against Thai's as well. Aging, with family, one often needs to take care of ones savings and assets as best as possible. Very hard to do in Thailand. (land and housing is of course part of that).

Noise.

I wonder if there s any law here against noise pollution? I would love to bring a criminal suit against the stage stooges. Maybe I can sue them for my tinnitus!

There are, believe it or not. Thailand has some rather strong laws about disturbance that brings harm or loss to others. It's a civil case so you need to show what your losses are. It's referred to as la meut.

At first it might seem surprising but on the other hand one could argue that Thailand needs such laws.

I'm sure any yellow lawyer could help you. Maybe you can sue Arisman.

Hey there is no humour here today where is Che, RedParrot, Redsunset and others maybe they are busy planning the next strategy with their bedfellows quite refreshing not to have their drivel all over the place

Che wakes up late, usually about 8:00 am, Dubai time.

Almost 100 soldiers admitted to hospital with gun shot wounds.

Kind of speaks for itself.

Pathetic propaganda at its best

Stop talking BS . Thanks

For your information they are reports by eye witnesses that rogue soldiers on the roofs started shooting at

red shirts and soldiers alike on the ground , killing many .

Soldiers on the ground returned fire on those rogue soldiers , and red security did the same .

Abhisit himself spoke about this in similar terms .

Of course yellow fanatics wont admitt it , so easy to put blame on reds

Thank you for the information.

I fully admit that the government troops under Abhisit's orders to use international standards for crowd control did not instigate the killing, this was instigated by another party, the one that assassinated the army commanders at the beginning and almost certainly the same people who tried to blow up the power pylons feeding Bangkok just before the shooting started.

If you want to say this was not done by rural farmers, I'm OK with that.

If you want to blame it on Abhishit, I would suggest some serious brain surgery.

Suthep HAS surrendered. Now it's time for ALL the red nutcases to surrender.

Investigations are in progress for the April 10 riots. We are yet to see whether the blame will be solely on the reds.

But I put the blame solely on the reds.

The army didn't go in there shooting live ammunition unprovoked. They were there with riot shields and batons to remove "unarmed" illegal protesters. The protesters threw rocks and sharpened sticks. The army responded with rubber bullets. The protesters threw molotov cocktails, grenades and also started shooting at the army. The army responded with live ammunition.

All the reds have EVER done from the very start of these protests is to incite violence and to act on that incitement.

They should be held accountable.

The most frustrating thing about the red supporters on this forum is how little reason or logic they use. They don't provide facts for their statements. They rarely provide explanations for their opinions. They just spout the vague red propaganda with no substance behind it.

Same answer as to herm .

You dont have a shred of evidence showing reds shooting at security forces

Here from Amnesty International on the 10th April

This prepared the ground for the more stringent actions on Bangkok's bloody Saturday night: the use of water-cannons, tear-gas, and ultimately live ammunition to force the red-shirts off the streets. At the time of writing, twenty-one people are reported to have been killed (sixteen protestors, four soldiers, and a Japanese journalist), and over 800 injured. Abhisit Vejjajiva insists that soldiers were permitted to use live bullets only to shoot into the air or in self-defense, though the nature of the deaths and wounds inflicted on many protestors casts some doubt on this statement

Almost 100 soldiers admitted to hospital with gun shot wounds.

Kind of speaks for itself.