Ok, thanks, all I can say is my niece recently finished at Phitlok, and her figures were nowhere even close to those figures. She didnt take anything from the Govt either. She also got herself a part time job to help and not borrow anything. What I found unfair was having finished Uni and got her papers etc, the job she now has pays 12k !! which I think after 4 years work is pitiful.