catweazle

I am not a police officer nor am I a lawyer,prosecutor or judge or do I even know the accused and I don't believe that anyone of you are either. Has anyone stopped to think that maybe just maybe these two suspects actually did commit this heinous crime. It certainly is a possibility. What real facts do we have other that unreliable sources on Thai Visa and other media outlets to determine whether or not these guys are guilty. If they are let them fry and if not let them go but who are we to be judge and jury. We don't know the facts. If anyone here can supply actual facts regarding this case then produce them. Not your our circumstancial evidence but actual facts.

If you look at the facts and ask the right questions, you will see clearer:

1) If the Burma guys were truly the murderers, why would they:

a) Remain on the island until finally caught?

b ) Keep a cellphone belonging to the victims in or behind their home?

c) Be some of the first on the island to provide a DNA sample (both can be seen on news DNA sampling photos)?

d) Why did they not "just" kill Hannah by strangulation, if intent to rape her was the motive, but bash her head into a pulp (what indicates a hate/revenge crime or a way to disguise a gunshot wound)?

e) If being aroused and wanting to rape Hannah was the motive, why would they attack her in the open while a tall, strong, potentially lethal guardian (David) was awake and present? (Look at the two Burmese dwarfs - you think they could come out of a fight to death with a man of David's stature without a scratch?)

f) Why would they be so stupid to leave DNA evidence behind in form of semen and cigarette buds? (Anyone, except Amazonas headhunters perhaps has seen CSI or anyting similar in his life by now)

g) If being aroused and wanting to rape Hannah was the motive, don't you think they woud have opted for a hundred Baht blowjob in a makeshift Burmese whorehouse instead to release the pressure, but instead went through a double murder to get off?

h) Knowing that they are illegally in Thailand, have no proper papers, etc. and happily live on KT in relative peace and with proper pay - why would they, the first ones on any official's blacklist on the island - commit such a crime, knowing that Burmese always are the first on Thais' kick a$$ list and that they certainly will go down?

i) Need to be puppeteered around the crime scene, being completely lost, not knowing where what happened, where the victims were, how they were supposed to kill them? Amost every move was shown to them by the RTP before they "reenacted".

j) Not be caught right away after the first DNA test and during the raids where exclusively Burmese homes were searched?

k) ...I believe that the many other TV members who agree with me on this being a stitchup could complete this list all the way to letter Z...

In all our outrage here, let us not forget the families of Hannah and David.

First their loved ones are brutally murdered, and now they have to follow the incompetence and outright lies from the RTP.

Hope they have the strength to find closure within themselves!!

As much as I sympathise and appreciate the parents' grief, as much do I disapprove their silence. They had a chance to speak up when it became clear that this investigation is going down south and that it would end in a stitchup, but they did absolutely nothing!

Thus, if the Burmese boys truly are innocent and get sentenced to death or serve life in prison for a crime they did not commit, David's and Hannah's parents are - in part - responsible for this injustice. They didn't "have to" follow the incompetence and outright lies, they could have stopped this corrupted sharade by speaking up in public and demand an independent investigation when there was still time to do so. They failed!

Just dropped into this thread to sop up all of the expected cynicism and negative rhetoric about Thailand. From the general tenor of the posts here, you'd think the farangs at TV had been captured by slavers in their home countries and forced to come here against their will. C'mon... the place is not perfect, but did so many people simply go along with the urgings of their 'little brain' and decide to move to what is apparently a living hell (if some of the posts here are to be believed).

Your words are as cute as your avatar, Mr. Docno

Good to get some counter balance post here, but please believe me when I say that since the past year or so I truly am considering to relocate to Australia or even Canada with my Thai/western family and this after almost 24 years living in LOS. I did spend half a lifetime here and have been one of the front fighters to oppose and step in for Thailand and its people whenever posts drifted towards Thai bashing, but I find that rather difficult now given the latest developments. In the early years, the PROs to live and work here outweighed the CONs by far, but over the past years Thailand's true colors and the true sentiment of the people shines through the mask of smiles more and more. One must be blind to not see that. The latest political developments, the increasing censorship, the increasing uncertainty amongst Thais and foreigners alike tilted the scale (at least for me) to 25% PRO and 75% CON living and working and/or retiring in Thailand.

For the first time in my life, I feel not welcome; just tolerated - not integrated; just monitored - and that after almost 24 years of working and investing like crazy in this country, speaking and understanding the language, having employed and worked with countless Thai people and having some very close Thai friends.

If all of this is not frightening or eye-opening enough, I can tell you that countless Thai people I have spoken to in the past year or so, agree with me on this. They also feel that an overall anti-foreign attitude is on the increase due to feeling helpless under and powerless against a totalitarian government. People always need someone to blame, and a "sneaky farang" who knows too much and who perhaps might "steal" a Thai's 9-2-5 job, or "steal" that tiny piece of Thailand in form of a Co.,ltd. owned 800sqm Chanote from them, "steal" their women, and who makes the abusive, non-working average Thai man lose face by simply doing a better job in caring for his family and children, is just good enough to be the valve for their increasing anger... There are difficult times ahead, Docno, and believe me when I say that I'd wish your words would reflect the reality here in LOS - unfortunately they don't

Does this campaign include all the previously implemented "courses of action for attraction" like refusing foreigners with valid education visas to enter the country, the "attractive" 49% foreign / 51% Thai business requirement, ten times higher (or more) than Thai national park entrance fees, increasingly difficult visa and work permit requirements, the need to be blood-checked for Syphilis when applying for a work permit, the fact that foreigners can't buy or own land, forcibly taking sun beds or beach umbrellas from tourists, bashing tourists heads in to let the following "murder investigation" go bananas in corrupted and disgraceful sharade, the general and constantly increasing anti-foreigner attitude, the fact that foreigners here are tolerated for the sake of their money but not wanted, blackmailings by corrupt RTP and immigration officers, crackdowns on anything and everything foreigner co-owned, managed or performed by foreigners, and the commonly used "if you don't like to be taken advantage of on a daily basis, then go back to your home country" killer argument?

Thailand and its people should learn that you don't "create" a positive image - you either have it, respectively the "positive image" is kept within the peoples' hearts or it simply isn't there, whereas for Thailand it is the latter.

With the anti-foreign, self centered, narcissistic and greedy attitude most Thai people and officials display in everyday life, the PRD campaign is a "mission impossible". You simply can't polish a turd!

What Is Bipolar Disorder?

Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness, is a brain disorder that causes unusual shifts in mood, energy, activity levels, and the ability to carry out day-to-day tasks. Symptoms of bipolar disorder are severe. They are different from the normal ups and downs that everyone goes through from time to time. Bipolar disorder symptoms can result in damaged relationships, poor job or school performance, and even suicide. But bipolar disorder can be treated, and people with this illness can lead full and productive lives.

Reference: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/bipolar-disorder/index.shtml

Sure its can be very productive and talented people...., like Steve Jobs, Mel Gibson, Ernest Hemingway, Richard Greene, Picasso, Van Gogh, Robin Williams, Catherine Zeta Jones, David Dukovny, et, etc, a very long list. But also some people not productive at all.... like Adolph Hitler.

It is a very complicated mental problem...and a major cause of depression, suicides, and drug and sexual abuse...Ironically, Thailand has the best treatments centers and wellness retreats for bipolar disorder.

Bullseye - we got our first Hitler reference of the day... Here we go again:

If you have a story like this and print it without an accompanying picture of the crook, then better not print it at all. Would be nice to see whom I have to kick in the face when I see him...

Best would be to get rid of such animals right away by lethal injection. I don't care if they have bipolar disorder or "siamese quadrupeliacough" to show as an excuse. They are best of dead - for their own sake and those of the many innocent others.

Violence in general is on the increase worldwide. No wonder, since Hollywood and powerful world leaders show us daily that it is kinda "cool" to shoot first and ask questions later.

Governments of the world have started a hidden war against their own citizens, the gap between super rich and poor widens as well... The increase in domestic violence is a counter reaction to the feeling of helplessness and the deep inner knowledge that no one gives a toss about the common man on the street.

Whatever the cause, violence, especially against the defenseless should not be tolerated. Yet, the change in attitude needs to come from inside - it's the duty of governments worldwide to reestablish trust and harmony, but hoping that they will do so is just a pipe dream as it seems