tomacht8

12 hours ago, baansgr said:

Its becoming clearer everyday how the EU is really run and that they need UK far more than the UK need them. Greedy little facists trying to get as much as possible for themselves befor the boat sinks.

Its really irrelevant what a few people on here think about the situation and the misinformed rubbish they spout.

UK is leaving the EU for a better future. Even the facist rag Guardian have admitted that more remainers would vote leave now.

LOL

The 171 UK delegates for more than 40 years were involved in creating the eu dinosaurus and now they are complaining about it.

Sorry but that is stupid.

3 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Dyson, arch Brexiter, was on Andrew Marr. He favours abolishing corporation tax and relaxing hire and fire rules. But he wants to make everyone Engineer's and technologists just like Singapore.

 

Not looking good for the munchkin Brexiters! All that mathematics! 

Dyson is like a snake with a split tounge. 

 He cries out British nationalism but invests his UK profits in Singapore.

16 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

re sums it up, received this from a friend:

 

Dave Davis is at the golf club returning his locker key when Mr Barnier the membership secretary sees him.

"Hello Mr Davis," says Mr Barnier. "I'm sorry to hear you are no longer renewing your club membership, if you would like to come to my office we can settle your account."

"I have settled my bar bill," says Mr Davis.

"Ah yes Mr Davis," says Mr Barnier, "but there are other matters that need settlement."

In Mr Barniers office Mr Davis explains that he has settled his bar bill so wonders what else he can possibly owe the Golf Club? "Well Mr Davis," begins Mr Barnier. "You did agree to buy one of our Club
Jackets."

"Yes," agrees Mr Davis. "I did agree to buy a jacket but I haven't received it yet. As soon as you supply the jacket I will send you a cheque for the full amount."

"That will not be possible," explains Mr Barnier. "As you are no longer a club member you will not be entitled to buy one of our jackets!"

"But you still want me to pay for it,"  exclaims Mr Davis.

"Yes," says Mr Barnier. "That will be £500 for the jacket. There is also your bar bill."

"But I've already settled my bar bill." says Mr Davis.

"Yes," says Mr Barnier, "but as you can appreciate, we need to place our orders from the Brewery in advance to ensure our bar is properly stocked." "You regularly used to spend at least £50 a week in the bar so we have placed orders with the brewery accordingly for the coming year." "You therefore owe us £2600 for the year."

"Will you still allow me to have these drinks?" asks Mr Davis. "No of course not Mr Davis. You are no longer a club member!" says Mr Barnier.

"Next is your restaurant bill," continues Mr Barnier. "In the same manner we have to make arrangements in advance with our catering suppliers. Your average restaurant bill was in the order of £300 a
month, so we'll require payment of £3600 for the next year."

"I don't suppose you'll be letting me have these meals either?" asks Mr Davis.

"No, of course not," says an irritated Mr Barnier "You are no longer a club member!"

"Then of course," Mr Barnier continues, "there are repairs to the clubhouse roof."

"Clubhouse roof,” exclaims Mr Davis. "What's that got to do with me?"

"Well it still needs to be repaired and the builders are coming in next week, your share of the bill is £2000."

"I see," says Mr Davis, "anything else?"

"Now you mention it" says Mr Barnier, "there is Fred the Barman's pension. We would like you to pay £5 a week towards Fred's pension when he retires next month. He's not well you know so I doubt we'll need to ask you for payment for longer than about five years, so £1300
should do it. This brings your total bill to £10,000," says Mr Barnier. "Let me get this straight," says Mr Davis. "You want me to pay £500 for a jacket you won't let me have, £2600 for beverages you won't let me drink and £3600 for food you won't let me eat, all under a roof I won't be allowed under and not served by a bloke who's going to retire next month!"

"Yes, it's all perfectly clear and quite reasonable," says Mr Barnier.

"Piss off!" says Mr Davis

Now we understand what Brexit is all about.

LOL

i like this analogy, but brexit is not that simple. First. what if davis in your hypothetical golf club had previously determined the rules and signed in the past the brewers' orders and the roof repair ahead of time for years in advance together with all club members?

Secondly: Davis wants to leave the club, does not want to pay for the club membership, but still wants to use the golf course? For free then? Or a privileged tailormade membership? An extra sausage only for davis? And the whole please very fast? If all of the golf club members acted so irresponsibly, the golf club could close and nobody could play anymore golf. 

Here is just one example of long-term commitments and the uk can not just steal out there for free.

The Relocation of the EU Medicines Agency from London could be expensive. According to a document of the European Parliament, the lease of the EU authority, which is expected to leave Great Britain in the wake of Brexit, will run until 2039. Until then, a total rent of 347.6 million euros is due and the contract does not contain an opt-out clause , The members of the Committee on Budgetary Control had noted this with concern, according to a summary of their audit report.

60 billion are a bargain.

Instead of negotiating this with a 6-year transitional period and allowing a good brexit for both sides, including a tailor-made trade agreement and allowing the companys planning horizons, the uk tries to achieve a hard brexit with the crowbar, which does not benefit anyone. The negotiations are currently characterized by an incredibly stupid short-term planning horizon.

3 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

Just like the US, EU etc...

Or print some of your own?

 

With the money printing you should not exclude the uk.

4 minutes ago, George FmplesdaCosteedback said:

I am looking forward to the moment of freedom, and we will indeed see what happens.

The EU have a lot to lose don't forget.

The UK rejoins the world and will prosper without EU shackles.

 

Reform might be forced on them before it all falls like the house built of straw that it is.

 

Auf weidersehen and adieu...

 

 

 

 

Agree.

Hope should never die.

Good luck.

5 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

Thought you didn`t care,seems like you`re desperate for UK to stay.Missing the money already?

No problem. 

We will print some more.

One of the advantages for europe through brexit.

Finish with tax havens like jersey and isle of man where the super-rich can hide their profits tax-free.

Everybody with mental health problems can buy a gun in the US.  So what is the problem here.

7 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

They`re getting desperate now,the UK economy is not crashing and burning like their hero Mark Carney "predicted" with his big anti Brexit crystal bol-locks.

Yes sure.

The UK is still a EU member.

Wait until spring 2019.

Then we can talk again.

The TM30 make a lot of headache for many people who like to follow the thai law. But first: It depends which Immigration office is responsible in your area. In my case - southern islands - the chef IO told me that many many officials do not know about the law. We tried to report a longtime renter from our houses at our local police station. The police officer said he never see before this TM 30 reporting form. So i went with the ferry to Koh Samui. I talked to all IO's, standed in line on all counters.

Nobody could help. At the end i must wait for the Immigration chef. I meet him. Nice and clever guy. He gave me access to his personal computer registration program with passwort that i can register all our longtime renters by my self. We are sitting together for two hours drinking coffee and i help him to get rid off 

from the porn adds on his goverment computer. He gave me his privat phone number. He said if i have ever in the future problems with immigration in thailand i could call him. That is Thailand. TiT.  So my advice for expats is: make sure that you permanent adress is registered one time in the system. Normaly your adress is also registered on your yellow book, pink id or driving licence. If i went to europe i do not run again to my immigration Office. I write always on tm6 arrival card my permanent adress and make a foto.

That is enough. The immigration know my adress. In my case it is always the the same adress. 

If you travel out from thailand and return back to your permanent adress, which is registered in the system it is not necessary to report again. Normally you write this same adress on the TM6 Arrival card when you come back. I had never problems with the immigration about this TM30 file so far.

7 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

We encounter this kind of idiocy in every brexit debate. In national elections, the populace have a very good idea what to expect when they cast their vote. In EP elections, people vote roughly along the same party political lines that they would in national elections, but they get a fractured, small percentage of the EU parliament. Could somebody please explain to me (leaving out the hyperbole and outright spam) how this is representative democracy, how people are directly voting for governance that they wanted? I mean, if the assorted national groups that stand in the EP elections joined up into formal groups and campaigned on Europe-wide tickets, there might be a case for the EP being democratic. But that hasn't even begun to happen, and imo the EU will do everything it can to stop that from happening.

There are formal groups.

Members of Parliament are elected by country, but they work together in the European Parliament not according to their national affiliation but according to their political orientation. As in national parliaments, there are political groups that organize members of similar political orientation and party affiliation. The special feature of the European Parliament is the multiplicity of national parties, which form a group. There are currently seven political groups in the European Parliament, representing over 200 national parties.

3 hours ago, nausea said:

Brexit is the dead cat bounce of the British Empire.

Brexit is a stillbirth with economic self-castration.

3 hours ago, Thongkorn said:

Nothing about finance it's about unelected men ruling 500 million people,  

Currently sitting 73 MPs from the Uk in the EU Parliament.

Can you please explain how they came there, as you claim - unelected?

Are they send by the Queen or what?

Who smokes on the beach is 100.000 baht fine and jail up to one year? 

What do people smoke who think up such a thing?

This is certainly being watched by the big global companys and conglomerates. Long-term legal certainty is already a primary factor in future location decisions. 

Big-caliber investors will look very closely what happend here and how this play out.

There are a few posters here, which believe that the UK is terribly paying a lot money for its EU membership.

GDP UK approx. = 2.500 Billion euros per Year
EU Membership Costs = 11,5 Billion euros per Year
corresponds to 0,46 % from GDP per Year

For comparison
Germany Refugee costs: 40 billion euros per year

M2 money growth in the US from Sep 2015 to Sep 2017 was 2.000.000 Billion US
The US is printing much more new money in a week (approx. 18 Billion Euros) than the total UK membership costs in one year (11,5 Billion).

The per capita income of a UK citizen is around 36.100 euros a year.
The EU membership costs 177 euros per head per year.

For the ordinary citizen that seems a lot, measured by the global capital flows, this is a piss in the wind.

Breaking with the EU and jeopardizing the UK's entire economy and plunging into such uncertainty is stupid for an EU contribution equal to 0.46% of UK GDP.

2 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The new law will patently make no difference to ordinary people in the more successful member states.

It's difficult to see what, if anything. in the long-term, will stop the unsavoury version of globalism we have. Though brexit will laudably slow it down.

think also the brexit will slow down the whole, especially the economy.

The big global companies then simply move on and look for production sites where the pay level is cheaper. Whether it will be the ordinary people become then the winners? I have my doubts.

3 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

We don't praise it because it has been done solely to protect big construction companies in the richer member states. If you knew the first thing about the construction industry (I do: my company has worked in it for over thirty years), you would know that the big companies were and continue to be at the vanguard of importing cheap labour from the poorer EU countries. This has forced down, and continues to force down wages in their industry. It should be obvious even to the legally blind that this concept is one of the main drivers for the globalists. Second and third world countries are only allowed access to the money tree when it is in the interests of the big players of the first world. The EU is a major part of their project.

So this new law is not good?

Brexit will stop then the globalists?

2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

 

22 hours ago, SheungWan said:

This appears to be more about salaries ie discriminatory employment law, rather than self-employed workers eg the so-called Polish plumber. Overseas workers in for example the NHS are not paid a different rate than native employees. Or hotel cleaners. So the 'postal' rules do not apply at least that is my reading on first pass.

This new anti-dumping law (should be signed on 17.11.2017) is intended to regulate the cross-border despatch of cheap workers. e.g. many suppliers from low-wage EU countries are applying for larger construction contracts in high-wage EU countries. Due to the low wage level often these providers get the contracts because they can undercut the prices of domestic providers. With the new law the cheap providers are now forced to pay wages on the basis of the domestic wage level. 

Certainly also affects major construction projects in the UK.

Wonder why the brexiters do not praise the EU in this case.

This problem was often referred to as a pro brexit argument.

1 hour ago, citybiker said:

I dislike UK politicians, especially those who pledge a referendum then renegade, the same very person who is probably one the UK’s most despised man, not difficult to identify.

 

Talking of despised, this very term is very appropriate as these unelected MEP & Brussels self proclaimed elite seem to think they can over-rule the UK’s own Parliament. So I don’t hate the EU I despise its ignorance to solving real serious issues, along with despising their arrogance along with to reform requests fall on deaf ears.

 

Full Accountability will eventually return to Westminster so the electorate have the option to sack MP’s if they’re unfit for purpose, and most of all ‘serve’ those who elect them.

 

The sacking of unelected MEP’s within Brussels isn’t an option.

 

 

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LOL

The last election to the european parliament was 2014.

The next election is 2019.

Every 5 years is election time to the european parliament.

You can ask Nigel Farage.

He is a member of the European Parliament. He gets every year around 200.000 Euros for his presence.

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Exactly.  The opening sentence of the article says it all :-

 

"Billionaire media mogul says it is ‘hard to understand why a country doing so well wanted to ruin it’"

 

I think most recognise that whilst the wealthy were doing very well, the poor and average were not doing "so well".  Something Mr Bloomberg doesn't care about and/or has entirely missed......

The uk is at the top of the per head income in the eu.

To make the eu responsible for the uneven distribution of the income

within the uk is stupid populism.

On the contrary, over 40 years eu Membership has ensured that many companies have settled in the uk and created jobs for the normal population.

In the future, without the barrier-free market access to the largest market in the world, the companies will tend to dismantle workplaces for joe normalo and no longer invest in the uk.

It is foreseeable that the uk will try to stop with very low corporate tax rates this migration process. That would mean an economic war and joe normalo would be the loser again.

Economically brexit is stupid.

Losers are all europe including the uk and quite sure: joe normalo.

Guess currently the best pole dancers are in angels city / philippines.

PM May lost in translation?

Barnier said Britain must accept the full economic and legal status quo in a transition period after it leaves the EU and should expect no tailor-made terms on trade in its future relationship.

Asked if that meant there could be “a specifically British model” along the lines of the “bespoke arrangements” May has referred to without giving detail, Barnier replied simply: “No.”

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-barnier/no-bespoke-brexit-transition-means-status-quo-barnier-idUKKBN1CT19I