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The whole brexit thing is very complicated. In legal terms, thousands of politicians throughout Europe have passed treaties, exemptions, implementing ordinances, directives, etc., which in the course of more than 45 years have also been linked to each other in multiple ways.

To believe that one can just reform this whole mountain of legal contracts in 2 years and the UK can fry his extra sausage, is naive.

Until today, aka 2 years, not even the Brexit has been concrete defined by those who want it.

Why not just postpone the Brexit. In time, the UK could actively formulate its concerns within the EU Parliament.  Parallel, the possibilities of a reasonable brexit could be clarified inside and outside. It is quite certain that from today's perspective, the paradis will not start on March 29, 2019 within the UK.

8 minutes ago, citybiker said:

David David was and always has been the most experienced, educated and eurosceptic that was more than capable of Brexit secretary.

The primary issue is PMTM, whom is also being influenced by a select few hard line remainers, Hammond doing whatever he can in his position with treasury, PMTM must change course and the 1922 committee have given her support, yet they’ve also instructed her to change her Brexit stance and direction or face a leadership challenge, two senior cabinet resignations don’t go down lightly and she will be reminded of this very fact.

Others are calling for her to resign, likes of that stupid JC et al which Labour themselves don’t even have a plan other than mirror the EU.


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So in his capacity as Chief Negotiator, he only talked to his counterpart this year for 4 hours.
Sorry, there is not much room for any glorification.

5 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

 

The left’a resistance to the tax cuts and their promise to raise your taxes if elected are yet another reason people might want to vote for Trump. 

The tax dollars saved are pumped back into the economy. Not just once but many times over.

LOL.
The spending behavior of the super rich is another.
The money is then gladly used for the interest-generating rationalization and outsourcing of production workplaces.

You do not really believe that Trump has the normalo Jo and his well-being in mind.

8 minutes ago, The manic said:

We established the debate on the negative aspects off the EU. Any positive changes are down to the UK But EU refused to make any concessions.  We were forced out but many will follow. Only cowards fear our future without mutter Merkel and the french lunatic elite...the mafia states of Italy and 3rd world dumps like Greece. The European Project is a con trick....it has led to the destruction of the indigenous population of countless European cities. England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not. But we have set an example to the world 

We were forced out? - Nobody forced you out!
England is finished whether we stay in the EU or not.
Does not sound optimistic.

All EU countries have the immigration pressure.
It is simply because of the economic refugees, the overpopulation and the crazy birth rates in countries where not enough food grows.
The UK is already fat overcrowded with many cultures.
As an EU citizen, I also like to look at condominiums in Budapest.
As an EU citizen, I can easily buy there.
However, I do not know how it looks like after Brexit.

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't worry too much about overrated German cars, they are unreliable and can you believe the readings they give you, if the British want to buy foreign cars I would stick with Japanese, they are far better quality.

Maybe if you prefer medium class vehicles. 
In the upper segment, the Japanese do not have much class.
But next year, maybe I'll treat myself to a Nissan GTA for a year to blow it up on the German Autobahn at 5am Sunday morning.

1 minute ago, The manic said:

I travelled around Europe and there a long time before we joined the EU. Spain and Portugal became more expensive and more anodyne.  RE the immigrant problem which you have ordered me not to mention. The simple fact is that when hoods,, gangsters,  traffickers,  terrorists et get to the European land mass they use it as spring board to invade the UK. 

Understand.
Everywhere gets unfortunately more expensive.
Do you think that after Brexit it will be cheaper again for UK people in Spain or Portugal?

Since there are a lot of criminal gangs and immigration-unwilling People coming to Europe, I agree with you fully.
That does not just piss off people in the UK. 
Italy, Austria, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Sweden are also fed up with the unregulated immigration Policy.
There are already changes to be seen on the European stage.
It's a pity that the UK wiped out on a sideline Scene.

23 minutes ago, The manic said:

I can't foresee the future. Who knows? Maybe we will 3D print cars in the future..Speculation is irrelevant. But the political entity of the European Union is a dead loss weighed down by corruption and beuracacy.  As Forte pointed out 80% of British Businesses don't deal with the EU but are still  dictated by their rules. This is a fight back against a fascist one world government.  Every EU state should hold a referendum like the UK did.

Is interesting if you ask how the EU membership of the UK for more than 45 years, the life of the ordinary citizen should have limited.
For decades, the UK has one of the highest per capita GDPs and constant growth for decades.
Freedom to work, study or buy a home anywhere within the EU.
As the bad distribution of income in terms of Gemini coefficient showes,  that is not the fault of the EU.

So tell how the EU membership has personally restricted you in your life.

And do not talk about the immigration problem, because the largest immigration into the UK is in sum from non-EU countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jamaika. This has nothing to do with the EU, this is mostly a specific postcolonial problem of the UK

Last month it emerged Davis had spent just four hours with Barnier so far this year. The only time anyone ever really remembered he was in the job was when he threatened to leave it. He has now finally done so and followed through.

Only 4 hours this year?
I can not believe that the Chef Brexit negotiator spoke only 4 hours with the main negotiator from the other side.

That sounds like refusal to work and sabotage.

The idea to give the UK a role collecting customs duties for the EU – an idea that has been dismissed as a non-starter.

The untested idea has run into a brick wall of opposition, partly because EU officials do not trust UK authorities. The European commission is taking legal action against the UK, having accused British official of lax customs controls that allowed fake Chinese goods to flood into European markets, losing the EU budget €2.7bn (£2.4bn). The UK border force is asleep at the wheel and it’s going to cost the taxpayer billions.

The new but necessary border control costs will be many times higher than the costs for the entire eu parliament.

40 minutes ago, nontabury said:

You probably remember, pre the referendum,one of the financial experts, the Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney predicted a disastrous economic future for the U.K if we were to leave the hated E.U. Well, now it seems,he was wrong,and he’s admitted such.

Yet we still have people such as yourself,peddling project fear.

 

 

I'm sorry. I did not know that my question for: What exactly happened after date 29.3.2019? is already project fear. I did not mean to scare anyone. My question was aimed at factual content. Apparently nobody really knows, neither the UK, the EU, the politicians, the economy and the population how to go on there.

And in 9 months should everything be hurray?

Maybe by a miracle?

Sometimes I wonder if the responsible politicians really have the felfare of the population in mind.

9 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The fact is that whatever way you look at it Brexit will have a negative impact on the UK.

.it's like voting for a flat earth....it doesn't matter if the majority is 4 % or a respectable 2 thirds....the earth is still around.

16 minutes ago, kwilco said:

The fact is that whatever way you look at it Brexit will have a negative impact on the UK.

.it's like voting for a flat earth....it doesn't matter if the majority is 4 % or a respectable 2 thirds....the earth is still around.

Nice analogy.
Well, even the ultra hardcore brexiteers are now admitted that the earth is not quite flat. The exit date 29.3.2019 is known.
But if you ask what is going to happen after that, there is only hot air.

9 hours ago, sandyf said:

BREXIT: THE ANSWERS BUSINESSES NEED

 

http://www.britishchambers.org.uk/Brexit Practicalities Scorecard Final.pdf

Good info. Thx
Brexit will come., but nobody knows when it should take place and how exactly it looks like. Only the formal date is known, but there are no realistic plans and feasible timelines present. The UK is well advised first to agree a transitional period to keep the economic damage low. Realistic times for trade agreements are 5-7 years. And then there is even more stress from the orange clown from America who craves WTO rules. That the UK is able to solve all problems and open questions in 9 months is pure fantasy.

As the Handelsblatt reports, US Ambassador Richard Grenell presented a good offer at the secret meeting on Wednesday 04.07. at the American Embassy in Berlin.
He was instructed by Washington to seek a solution with Brussels and Berlin in the dispute over the car duties.

According to Handelsblatt Grenell had informed the top managers that Washington was ready for a zero solution. That means: That both Europe and the USA waive car duties. This should have become known from participant circles. However, agreement can only be reached if a broader industrial customs agreement is concluded between Europe and the US - that is the WTO rules. France is still against such an agreement. However, this solution offer is a surprising turnaround in the trade dispute.

Poland's judicial reform is an act of Gleichschaltung.
In the autocratic state vision of Jarosław Kaczyński, there is no place for independent jurisdiction with a controlling role vis-à-vis the government.
What's worse is that the PiS has tested methods in Poland for how a party can assimilate democratic institutions - comparable to the Gleichschaltung in Germany in the 1930s. The collapse of Polish democracy will then lead to Turkish structures.

I agree that Europe can not accommodate the poor all over Africa.
Strong external borders are fast to realize.
I would estimate that over 80% are economic refugees. The real war refugees should find refuge.
But only on time.
No automatic naturalization.
I am also against the naturalization of Islamists who have no interest at all to adapt to the culture of the host country. I am also in favor of quickly rejecting pseudo asilantes and returning them to their home countries.
Also, the NGO ships should be punished to save the so-called distress victims.
People deliberately bring themselves in distress.

In fact, these NGO ships are the agents of the tugs.
It has to be concluded that EU passports are handed out like lottery tickets after only 2 years.
if Merkel does not understand that very quickly, she has to leave.
Brexit is her fault, too. We urgently need a clear and united Europe.

Clear boundaries, controlled migration and clear rules.

Europe uniform.

13 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6632462/how-project-fears-dire-warnings-about-the-dangers-of-brexit-havent-come-true-two-years-on-from-the-referendum/

 

DURING the EU referendum campaign, the Remain side pumped out a non-stop stream of blood-curdling warnings about what would happen if Brits voted to quit the EU. Their dire predictions about the economy, security and trade were intended to convince voters Brexit was too much of a risk to take a gamble on. But 52 per cent of the country ignored them and backed Leave in the historic poll which took place just over two years ago. And hindsight suggests they were right to discount many of the most chilling warnings - because as time has passed, they've been proven completely wrong.

 

Half a million Brits out of work  wrong

Tax hikes and budget cuts  wrong

Squeeze on the NHS  wrong

Economy in recession  wrong

52% voted to 'take our country back"  right

The Pound has dropped by 12% - Expats will complain right

Cost of getting the country back - priceless

 

Wait, the Uk is still in the EU,
and probably even longer if a transitional period is agreed.
The whole thing is not as if a light switch is turned off.
The changes are insidious and will last for years.

"The entrepreneurs are becoming increasingly skeptical," said Alexander Börsch, chief economist of the consulting firm, in conversation with the Handelsblatt. In a previous survey, at least some managers were still full of hope that the Brexit "in the end go well" and have postponed decisions, but "confidence is dwindling," Börsch observed.

An assessment, which is confirmed by the news of the past days: large corporations from Germany, Europe and the US warned of the consequences, should not soon see the conditions for trade after the EU exit. Shock on the island was particularly the announcement of Airbus, in a tough Brexit without trade agreement may possibly say goodbye to the United Kingdom.

Of course, such warnings are not appreciated by Brexit advocates and the British government, which is why some companies are making an effort not to publicly link investment decisions to Brexit. Nevertheless, more and more companies are dealing with the consequences on their business.

72 percent of German companies operating in the UK have already prepared intensively, according to the Deloitte survey. Almost half (44 percent) have even switched the supply chain. 47 percent have put investment to the test and one third of the companies surveyed have already stopped investment projects.

35 minutes ago, mogandave said:

You guys should be happy to see all those greedy banks leaving...

oh yes, then we could exchange shells again or crypto bits.