tomacht8

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I don’t think we intended them to be our enemy. 

 

 

The main factor for the Billy Smart’s effect is the fact that 2 sides agreed the mechanics, of making a divorce decision, without having anything in place to implement/quantify that divorce.

 

For that I blame the EU and Cameron. The EU for having Article 50 in their locker without the manual explaining exactly what would happen if a member were to leave. Cameron (who would actually be the best PM to lead Brexit) I blame for either the arrogance in believing he could not lose the referendum, or the stupidity in not having an exit blueprint in place.. 

Can agree.
A systematic mistake if an organization provides for a 2-year notice period, but makes the economic and financial plans for 5 years or more. Clear that there are then delimitation difficulties. Basically, at the time of the referendum, no one, neither Brexiteers nor Remainers, has fully thought through the problems, details,  issues and implications.

14 minutes ago, aright said:

At the National Election, not so long ago, something like 90% of the electorate voted for parties which supported Brexit The decision was made last year, you have to live with it, but not necessarily agree with it. Yes you are obviously British in name if you have a British passport.  No what it means is if you enjoy watching and hoping for the failure of your country on the basis of a "I told you so" attitude its un British .  Many Remainers had their say at the referendum, still feel to stay is best, but have accepted the result and then hoped their country would leave with the best possible deal that could be negotiated for them. It's a pragmatic decision because the  vast majority will continue to live in the UK.  They are dismayed at what is going on, you are enjoying it. Ultimate failure would complete your enjoyment I assume. I mentioned it on another post.....there are people who when their football team goes 2nil down start cheering for the other team.

No one likes to see his homeland go to the dogs because, by chance, some weak-headed people want to play amateur theater. There is national pride in every country, that is not just a British phenomenon.

33 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

There are very few long-term benefits from putting all our eggs in the EU's basket. But we are in this situation because of corrupt, lazy politicians selling us down the river. We now have to take a financial hit (spread over several years btw) in order to buy time to set up new, better, less restrictive trade agreements elsewhere.

That's great.
Then write down which countries that will be, what these countries should deliver and what the UK is able to deliver in return to these countries, except for tickets to visit the old castles.
 

21 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Excuses, excuses. The bald fact is that many, if not most of the types of goods you are referring to are manufactured in the east and re-branded with western names. Have a look at the country of manufacture on the boxes of products the next time you are in a retail store.

Applause for this.
All products that have undergone a quality check will get a sales approval in the EU. The quantities are subject to a trade agreement. If that were not the case, China would swamp the UK with Marmite copies. Sorry, but you have no idea about international trade.

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

Try to stop making stuff up about behind-closed-doors negotiations about which you know nothing.

It is obvious that you think you know everything.
But you have no idea of the theoretical premises of the perfect market.
Admit it.

3 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Ah! Tomacht must be on Barnier's negotiating team. Either that, or he's just making stuff up .

Thank you for your posting.
As always, there are so many facts in your reposts included again.
Try to approach the whole thing more intellectually and less ideological.
 

1 minute ago, Khun Han said:

 

Would that be the economic theory which works so well that most of the west's marquee companies pay factories on the other side of the world in Asia to manufacture their goods, re-brand them and then ship the across the world to the west for sale by those marquee companies?

Would that be the economic theory which works so well that entities such as the EU have to put protectionist tariffs on fruit and veg from South America and meat from Australasia which is cheaper even when shipped across the world to Europe, because the EU's fresh produce industries would be annihilated if those tariffs were not imposed? The same economic theory whose 'rules' are broken day-in day-out, week-in week-out, year-in year-out by the countries and businesses of the world?

Everyone buys where it is cheaper, if the product quality is identical.
But the product quality is mostly not identical.
Have you ever had a soldering iron made in Thailand / China in your hand?
All products imported into the EU are subject not only to a potential duty but also to a safety and functional check.
You can buy here the soldering iron in Thailand for 20 Baht if it makes you happy.
Fortunately, the EU does not let this garbage into the country.
And even over your NI boarder, hopefully you will not be able to smuggle that garbage.

3 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Remainers have wrongly been predicting immediate disaster since the referendum.

 

The up to 55 billion series of payments  are not a climb down: they are to buy us time whilst we set up better trading deals with non-EU countries.

I hope all the Knights of the Round Table would share your optimism.
Have you never wondered why the UK now agrees to the 45-60 billion withdrawal?
Are there maybe any benefits from working with the 27 other states together, that are your neighbors?
Surely in the UK goverment there are currently even smarter people who get more out of the disaster, as you with your pink sunglasses.

Already great as here the Brexit is calculated.
For information only: The esteemed 45-60 billion only concern payments to the EU budget until 2020 + longer-term commitments (eg pensions).
Than the UK is out.
All further agreements. Access to the common market - will be charged separately. On the part of the UK, the Norwegian model is preferred. The Norwegians also pay here annually in the EU pot, but without voting rights. Although not part of the EU, Norway voluntarily contributes 2.8 billion euros to support economic and social cohesion in poorer Eastern European countries.
Noewegen has taken over 80% of the EU regulations.
If the UK wants full access to the common market, the UK will have to make contributions that roughly match current contributions.
The fairytale hour of some Brexiters has an end there.

 My Thai wife told me about Brexit this:
27 neighboring countries want to stand together, but only the UK do not want to stand together with their neighbors.
How dumb is that?

 

7 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

No border controls would lead to a large amount of trade deflection.

 

Third countries would use the Irish Republic as a transit point to send goods into the UK without any compliance checks or tariffs. NI would be used in the same way for goods flowing into the EU

 

 

Yes, the EU is interested in clear external borders. It should simply prevent that substandard products, pirated copies and the whole cheap scrap can come into the EU duty-free and uncontrolled. The EU wants to keep its domestic production companies competitive and ensure product safety for the population.

That can not be so difficult to understand.

32 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

How would this be done?

I've seen proposals about extending the age for new pensioners vs. additional taxes; and reduction of benefits through a devaluing securities base (stock-based pension distribution) that would affect current and future pensions.

However, if the percentage increase in pensions is below the rate of inflation, there will be a real reduction in pensions or a real loss of income. If the pension recipient lives abroad, e.g. Thailand still has the effect of exchange rates and the corresponding rate of inflation in the country of residence.
Many retirees who live in Thailand know these effects.
For many years, there has been a loss of purchasing power by European pensioners in Thailand.
Whether this trend is reversed by Brexit now, everyone can think for themselves.

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

What planet on you on? Everyone knew that a vote to depart this so called Union, 

was a vote to leave it COMPLETELY. Why are SOME remoaners intent on taking up the position of a fifth column in always talking the U.K. down. Have some confidence in your country, and stop waving the white flag.

Flag?

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/arlene-foster-brexit-customs-union-northern-ireland-dup-conference-a8075576.html

 

This woman is toxic.

I think brexit is not as easy as many believe.

Hopefully she will soon get rid of her braces.
Poor girl, they are disturbing, in many activities.

To have a discussion that leads to new insights here is difficult.
Arguments, no matter which side are roared and made ridiculous with dead-beating stile type.
Understandably, Brexit is very emotional.
The uncertainty of how to proceed economically, if there is no planning certainty, is distressing for many.

Britain has far bigger problems than the rest of the EU. With Brexit, the British leave a total of 975 agreements signed in March 2019 by the Union with third countries, including more than 50 free trade agreements. These contracts must be renegotiated or rewritten as part of the protection of the United Kingdom. Brexit minister David Davis admitted on Wednesday before the parliamentary committee that some countries had agreed but others wanted to renegotiate. A renegotiation of the contracts until March 2019, however, is an impossibility, the uncertainty in the industry therefore large: "I do not know how we should export to China after March 2019," says the head of the British chemical company AstraZeneca, Pascal Soriot. So far, the export is under the EU cooperation agreement with China.

That the negotiators do not see the limited time and the time-pressure component is incomprehensible to me.
Very much to the detriment of the population.

 

200 longan farmers, 

the Chinese wholesaling firm failed to pay more than 400 million baht.

investigate the case which a Chinese company failed to pay more than 200 million baht for 400 longan farmers.

inaccurate journalistic work?

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

The Greens are a bloody nuisance. Wanting immigrants to bring in whole families and shutting down Nuclear power plants. 

 

What did that centrist party party disagree with?

that could have turned out well, if the Greens had given up on their idiot immigration policy and CSU would have said yes to renewable energy.
But political idiots are not only in England. You can truly find this species in every country.

Just now, Grouse said:

Well I certainly don't find the AfD amusing and I'm sure you don't either! It was good to fire some anti Muslim grape shot across the bows but I hope the Germans will go for stability now.

I agree.
The AFD is not as much to the right as the mass media claim.
I am absolutely in favor of a controlled immigration.
The Greens are a bit fool in that question, so that whole has burst.

12 minutes ago, Grouse said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42063664

 

Another kick in the teeth!

 

The UK is going downhill EXPONENTIALLY 

 

Wouldn't want to upset the Indians now would we. Holy cow, there might be a trade deal in the offing!

 

We don't care about our place in the world as long as we have trade! If I were a rich man....

I like this.
Exponentially.

I always let my students draw simple curves first.
Finally, then the multipled erivation of the optimal price in an oligopoly under combat conditions.

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

A study of economics would refer you to the law of comparative advantage unless you wish to proceed down the road of protectionism.

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

A study of economics would refer you to the law of comparative advantage unless you wish to proceed down the road of protectionism.

if you want to position me in economic policy, then in the middle.

Just now, nauseus said:

I don't think mutti thinks it's such a great idea.

Mutti is not stupid.
For decades in the political business.
I'm glad that the whole thing has burst first.
 

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'm sure the UK would let them stay.

It's the EU that says they can't so they should pay.

Contract to 2039 - who signed that?? . What a bunch of loonies!

The UK authorized have signed this too.

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I was just avin a larf!

So why?
Can you explain that please a bit more clearly?

2 minutes ago, aright said:

Its simple they cannot reach an agreement therefore they have to vote again. Otherwise no governing body.

What should they do. Draw lots or have a football shoot out?

 

I think it's good to let people vote again after four weeks, until all the arguments are known and are pronounced .