JohnnyBKK

28 minutes ago, HampiK said:

But I guess you had a history of Thai stamps before the ED Visa!

In my language school I still see a lot of students which comes there with an ED Visa (Bangkok). Actually I think more than 90% of the students are on a ED Visa. But of course I don't know how big the changes are that you could be denied. Because there are denials, but my guess would be it also depends on your recent history of Thai in/out's.

Before that I had marriage visa, 0 exempt visas and 0 tourist visas.

I had an ED visa a while ago, denied entry. Switched for elite visa instead.

1 minute ago, dcnx said:

If only Germany would create a reciprocal law that applied to all Thais visiting there. The TM30 would vanish within a day.

If they did that then we would need many many more things to come to visit Thailand, it would be very difficult to come here. For thais to visit EU they require tons of paperwork, that's why they don't need to do TM30's there.

4 minutes ago, BertM said:

But, then you have a false address on all your documents you file with IM because you will have to use the hotel address. If you try to use your correct address on the IM docs, it won't match your recent hotel TM30. Like I said, it doesn't make any sense to me, but "to each his own". I did my TM30 recently with my 90 day report and it wasn't a problem at all.

For those who have the set of documents and for those who want to spend a whole day at CW they can get a TM30, for the others, no other solution than plan B. It's not like we don't want to comply with the law, it's more like we can't.

Hi,

Do I need to have a TM30 to do the online 90 days report in Bangkok ? I can't do it with the elite service without TM30 and I absolutely don't want to spend a day at CW.

Thanks.

1 minute ago, BertM said:

So, your suggestion is to waste money on a hotel for 1 night to get a false address to avoid paying an 800 THB fine at IM when you do your 90 day reports or when you di your extension... It doesn't make any sense to me, but hey... To each his own... have at it...

The fine is not the problem, the problem is getting the set of documents and going to CW all day, each time. If the hotel reports you it's so much easier and cheaper. We should find some ultra cheap hotel that files TM30 and gives you a receipt, easiest way to comply with the law.

On 8/16/2019 at 8:26 AM, ubonjoe said:

There is no option for occupiers but there is one for possessor which is the term used in the immigration act 

From the online registration site.

Thailand elite staff just told me by email that possessor is not for tenants... who are the possessors if not the tenants ??

1 minute ago, jackdd said:

You will be the one paying the fines, the IO won't mind.

 

This is published already, if you don't want to risk a fine just follow the written law.

This means every time you stay or come back to stay somewhere where you are the owner, housemaster or possessor you have to file a TM30 for yourself.

Afaik all changes to the application of the law which are done by the different immigration offices make following the law easier.

I don't care paying fines, what I care about is my precious time. As long as I'm not banned for not filing the tm30 and 90 days report it's fine. They are asking for too many documents that are impossible to get without a visit to the immigration.

The stamp is for 1 year, this is explained each time by the elite staff when you enter the country and also when you buy the visa.

The fault is yours as I imagine you told her she has the right to stay 5 yrs now with her visa, but that is untrue. A 5 yrs elite visa gives you the right to enter the country for 5 yrs with 1 yr stamps only.

Thing to consider, if you are suspected of a crime (even if not found guilty) they could and most likely will cancel your elite visa anyway.

The driving license with elite visa is valid only for 2 years, you will have to renew it 3 times in 5 years then. Quite annoying.

TM30 and 90 days report still mandatory, and no help from the elite support for the TM30 whatsoever.

Being elite is for now hassle free to pass immigration, 90% of the time 0 questions asked, the other 10% they could ask what you are doing in Thailand but whatever you answer as long as it's not illegal they will let you in.

On 8/9/2019 at 12:54 PM, Peterw42 said:

You still have to do a TM30 when you pay the fine, so you haven't avoided anything. In busy offices it can be 3-4 hours to submit and pay the fine.

You have because they will not catch you each time. If they catch you once a year you make a tm30 per year instead of 50 tm30 if you traveled 50 times.

You should have checked if it was possible to get that stamp with an expired visa.

2 minutes ago, phkauf said:

In my situation, I rent from a Thai. I travel frequently, so when i come back to BKK I will provide her with my info. She is then responsible for filing the TM30 on me or she gets the fine, correct? 

Now I can see how this will become  burden for her and many other Thai landlords. I can envision Thais not wanting to rent to foreigners just to avoid this problem, but then they will likely get a lower rental rate. 

People on this forum are missing the big picture - any change of this policy will have to come from pressure from the Thai people now burdened with it. The Thai Authorities will respond to their complaints a hell of lot faster than to those from foreigners. 

Also does anyone have definitive proof that the system actually works - meaning if I skip a TM30 report will they even know. For example, I live in BKK and go to Chiang Mai and don't report when I get back. But then two weeks later I go to Singapore and file a TM30 with my new TM6 card. Will they even catch the gap in reporting? My money is no way!

Only the last tm30 stays on file in the database. So if you do a tm30 even if you skipped 100 of them you are fine.

I know a digital nomad who got a work permit because he was paranoid, for that he needed to create a thai company and he hired some thai workers on paper, those workers had nothing to do but he still needed to pay taxes for them.

Every year it was a huge hassle to file yearly reports, pay VAT, taxes, etc. He closed the company and left the country.

Now in Chiang Mai there is a BOI company that make unlimited work permits for digital nomads, it's the only easy legal way to do it, you pay some taxes on your earnings too of course.

In practice, 98% of digital nomads are just tourists (elite visa) or married to a local. They open offshore companies and never pay any taxes anywhere. This is not legal but there is absolutely no way of knowing what you are doing if you never engage with any thai customer. Most people who get in trouble is because they told someone what they were doing and someone reported them to the local police.

8 minutes ago, fourpack said:

Lol 

Mrs rents a house to a Swedish guy he is in and out of the country every 2 to 3 weeks. She has tried unsuccessfully for a year to be able to do it online . It's not just foreigners immigration jerk off.

So now she has left him with a pack of photo copies of her book and ID. He does it and never moans like most on here do.

Get over it and just do it

It's more expensive to go to the immigration than to pay the fine if they catch you.

I prefer to not try to bother anymore with tm30, it's impossible for me to do it.

4 hours ago, Checkmate842 said:

HI live alone with my 6 year old son, I am divorced from my Thai wife and have sole parental power from the Thai court. My ex wife refuses to change the Blue book so in accordance with Thai law she is the House Master even though the Land document has my son as the owner of the house and land no one can sell until he is 20. Thai Immigration refuse to recognise this and state that my ex, who is uncontactable and has not lived there for 4 years has to do my TM30. The only other solution given after much discussion was to get a Thai friend to say I live there and to submit a TM30. Even that has issues as they require a rental agreement and I am not willing to sign that I live there as this can be seen as falsifying an official document leaving me open to prosecution or deportation. I am sure I am not the only one in this situation.

Easy, rent a shit place for 1000 thb per month and get a rental contract there. File the TM30 with that address. Done.

16 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I doubt very much it was an overstay stamp. It was a stamp saying he was fined for not doing the report.

His fine would of been 2000 baht. If it was an overstay fine it would of been 500 baht for everyday up to a maximum of 20,000 baht.

He paid 500 thb per day that his 90 days report was late and lawyer confirmed it was overstay stamp.

Doubt as much as you want, it happened.

I really thought that the thai immigration hated us, I already planned my exit of the country, bought property in Dubai to leave Thailand at the end of my current visa.

Now you tell us that they are targeting other nationalities but because the law is the law we all pay the price... I feel treated like a criminal in Thailand, having to report all the time to the immigration. With all the money I spend here I would expect a better feeling.

And yes, the thai baht is so expensive right now that is cheaper in other high end countries to live. For example, my expenses would be the same as Thailand in Dubai, and that's quite crazy in my opinion.

I think we should just forget about the TM30 and pay the fines when they come, it's too much of a hassle. As long as it's just money it doesn't matter.

My friend got an overstay stamp because he forgot to do the 90 days report, he even took a lawyer because he wasn't overstaying, just forgot to report. The lawyer could do nothing about it. He paid an overstay fine and got a stamp.

I was refused entry and came back 1 year later, that wasn't enough to avoid the questioning when coming back. I had to show hotel reservation, ticket to go back, funds, proof of employment, etc.

5 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

It is possible that the owner of your apartment building has already registered the property with the online TM30 system, so you can not register it subsequently.

 

And if you were to register it, using the owners ID/house reg., then no one else could register it.

 

I'd chat with the owner to formulae a TM30 strategy which works for them, you and other potential foreigners.

Landlords don't give a damn about TM30 as anyway it's the farang who pay the fines at the end of the day. This TM30 thing is a fiasco, landlords are supposed to be the ones reporting us because a criminal will not report himself.... us doing reports ourselves is ridiculous, they wont catch a single criminal this way.

Also you can't expect the landlord to know each of your movements to report you all the time, this law is broken.