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My take too . Yet some posters prefer to condemn the 2 NZ guys on this video only and do not consider the total event . More to this altercation than meets the eye . Sorry to say that the 2 guys have little chance of reprieve . Have not heard of when the case will take place and if a public or private hearing .

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A bit like you when I asked for a link , ref " The 2 NZ guys case " . You said , find it yourself . So you ignored my question .

Link ? cos I have not read that and anyway when are we going to hear the NZ guys statement ?

No relevance from your quote to the case in hand . Video evidence showing someone firing a gun and killing someone is conclusive but that is clearly not the case here . We have watched a NZ guy trying to disarm a Thai cop ( I wonder why ? ) and then the unloading of the bullets , for a good reason . The gun then given back to the cop . What we are told is that the 2 NZ guys failed to stop at a check point , also 1 of them did not have a licence . Cop pursued them and caught them at a noodle shop . At that point there is no video of what happened but I can imagine what did because of the NZ guys reaction . I am reacting to the facts and not conjecture .

In a court of law ( Western World ) , you need all of the evidence to come to a verdict . That video is only a part of the altercation . However T.I.T. so the correct law enforcement and correct conclusions are not always applied . It will be the cops word against the 2 NZs . Guess what the outcome will be ?

Enforcing the law ? So will the motor bike boss get done for renting out to someone without a licence ? I doubt it . Because the cops would lose money if everyone held a licence . Next thing you will be saying " there is no corruption in Thailand "

Exactly . I reckon in NZ they would not be able to rent a motor bike without a licence but in Thailand it seems you can do . Apologies , my grammar was confusing . I should have proof read it but a good spot by you .

Agree and cannot judge this event when there is just the one video , all in favour of the cop . Will the court case be a public hearing ? because the 2 NZ guys must be heard for their reasons to tackle the cop . Phuket is full of tourists . Many hire motor bikes . Thai law says that the renter must hold a licence . The licence is rarely asked for by the proprietor . Cops know this and the motor bike tourists are easy targets for fines . All part of the corruption chain . Easy money for the cops . Most Western tourists come to Thailand and assume that the laws in Thailand will be similar to those of their home country but that could not be further from the truth . There should be a health warning for tourists planning to visit Thailand . The Thai government have to answer why their laws are not enforced and the motor bike proprietor should be fined for renting a bike without viewing or asking for the renters license .

That is my take too

Wizz web home page . Even with my VPN turned off my access is denied . Strange but I can talk to them via email but not on their live chat .

Hearing probably not in a public court ?

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We have no video of what led up to the scuffle . However if the cop had been holding the gun and threatening to shoot them what do you expect ? Conjecture ? maybe but I would like to hear the full story . All ways two sides to a story but the NZs guys account will no doubt be ignored . What we do know is that the two NZ guys did not stop when told to and one had no licence but does that warrant a shooting ? More to this event than has been disclosed .

The renting company should be dragged into this because they also acted illegally .

I agree with your sentiments . The NZs actions of wrestling the cop must have been provoked . Let's face it , the Thai cops are not at a level to that of UK cops or indeed most European cops . Why would you tackle a Thai cop over a traffic offences ? A fine and deportation is there best hope

Not stopping for police and no licence and then being pursued by police is looking bad for the NZs . However I would like to see the final police confrontation which if has the cop pointing a loaded gun at the NZs , the altercation was caused by over the top means . I am supposing that the NZ was riding a rented motor bike ? How is that possible without a license ?

And what about the guys ?

I have the opinion that this could well be the case

Did she pay you back in kind in the bed ?

Where is that evidence shown ? Just watched the video again but could not hear the NZs talking .

My thoughts too but who the cops or NZs ? If the cops , well I can understand the resistance

No proof that the 2 NZ guys were guilty from the shown videos but knowing the way things work in Thailand , I would have paid the fine and been on my way . Even if Innocent . Life is cheap here in Thailand .

I believe there were other cops turning up , so no escape , if that was ever on their minds .