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2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This news it akin to saying Vanilla Ice is confident we will have nuclear fusion energy within a years time. Sometimes, someone loses credibility to the extent that nothing they say can be trusted anymore. 

 

Are they so out of touch, that they are completely unaware of the sentiments of the people? Or is it just utter indifference? 

Honestly, I think the latter.

In which other country would such an unqualified "engineer" be given the job of Minister of Health"? Every statement he gives is so often reversed, or is so outrageously untrue or at the least highly improbable, that he has no credibility whatsoever. The closing line of his latest statement is typical:- 

"All the people will get vaccinated in Thailand, he reiterated."  Of course, he will refute that at some time, or say that what he meant to say was "All the people that get vaccinated will be living in Thailand" (Or something similar!)

And "Anutin insisted that from June 7th - a date becoming a D-Day in the minds of the Thai public - everyone would start to get vaccinated." 

What on earth does that mean? On June 7th every  person in the country would begin the process of having a needle stuck in their arm?

6 hours ago, statman78 said:

Wasn’t earlier this year we were being told Thailand would get 5-10 doses of Pfizer by the end of the year?  Same with J&J and Sputnik but with different quantities.  It looks like no orders have been placed for any of these.

Wasn’t earlier this year we were being told Thailand would get 5-10 doses of Pfizer by the end of the year?

Sounds about right  - just enough for The PM and Deputy PM's families!

"All the people will get vaccinated in Thailand, he reiterated."

You don't even need to look at the headline to realise who spouted that gem of exaggerated bullpoo!!!  

23 minutes ago, newnative said:

    Thailand's economy is highly dependent on international tourism.  Thailand's leaders state that no international tourists allowed until 70% of the population is vaccinated.  What 'luck are they holding on' for?   Thailand should have been making its own luck by securing as many vaccines as it could as early as it could.  

    The country needed to be vaccinated for international tourism to start up again--whether that was done early or, as it turns out, very late and still not really started.   It's almost June and even at this late date the vaccines are few, more uncertain, and vaccination is only at around 3% of the population. 

    Meanwhile, in trying to save a buck or win favor, Thailand has spent a fortune not on vaccines but in trying to financially prop up the devastated tourism industry, with little success.  And, as I said, still no large numbers of vaccines in sight at this late date.  

Or large numbers of tourists for the foreseeable future!

32 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Oh yes, of course, bigotry would have nothing to do with it at all.

I am not going to get into an argument about racism on a thread that is about Covid, but I am entitled to my opinion as to the number of refugees/immigrants allowed into my home country, and the fact that some of them may have been carrying/infected with Covid. 

14 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Exactly, so apart from wanting to have a go at refugees why bring it up?

Merely to emphasise that part of the Covid problem in the UK was caused by allowing too many people ( illegal immigrants, refugees whatever you care to call them) unchecked into the country. I have no reason to believe that the hordes of people streaming into the UK has ceased because of Covid!

Or as jesimps puts it "letting every Tom, Dick and Harry into the country, especially from the Indian sub-continent."

2 hours ago, chezy86 said:

Just eat fishermen’s friends it’s as effective as the Chinese Vaccine.

I eat them every day and I haven’t caught it so there you go proof it really works.

Yes, but they have to be the Original - these  candy striped packets are no good!

I thought it was suppose to be June 1st? Oh, just realised it's the latest quote by Anutin! 

1 hour ago, jesimps said:

How have the UK bungled it? They're now vaccinating the over 30s. Well ahead of the EU, the US and most other countries. Where the UK have failed, is in letting every Tom, Dick and Harry into the country, especially from the Indian sub-continent.

Yes - 100% Yes!  I remeber seeing thousands of immigrants/refugees at Calais, France in a huge camp waiting for an opportunity to get into "The Nanny State" and the Mayor of Calais even had the balls to ask the British Government to pay for it!!!

And that was all pre- Covid!

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

If you want to quote my comments, do not alter them with bolding and underlining, the forum rules do not allow it.

And now you are getting a little bit petty! I was merely emphasising what you said, as you seem to disagree with my interpretation of it.

However, I have been in Thailand long enough, and on ThaiVisa long enough to know the rules thank you, so if you will insist on having the last word, I will merely repeat what I said at the end of my last post:-

"But enough of this bickering or we could end up jeopardising the thread, which would be a shame."

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, I'm not, I was saying what could have been the case.

You did not say what could have been the case at all!  I said:-"You are talking as if they are known Covid carriers!"

 Direct quote from your post:-

"...arresting 3 old men who if they were endangering anyone, they were endangering themselves".

No, it's not just that.  The point is that they were also endangering anyone that they and the Thai owner had contact with afterwards, and anyone else that they subsequently had contact with, ad infinitum.   Don't you understand how infections spread? 

But enough of this bickering or we could end up jeopardising the thread, which would be a shame.

5 hours ago, sambum said:

 

You are talking as if they are known Covid carriers!

To help you with your confusion:-

"The point is that they were also endangering anyone that they and the Thai owner had contact with afterwards, and anyone else that they subsequently had contact with, ad infinitum."

They would only do the above (endangering) if they were infected, or asymptomatic (unknowingly infected) and as there are no, zilch,zero cases known of on Samui at this time, either one or both scenarios are highly unlikely. 

4 hours ago, robblok said:

 

 

The 3rd wave started in a BAR so yes its responsible for the rising death rate. The whole third wave happened because of no social distancing in a bar.

4 hours ago, robblok said:

 

 

The 3rd wave started in a BAR so yes its responsible for the rising death rate. The whole third wave happened because of no social distancing in a bar.

 

What tourists are there in this country now ? The only people are expats so they are hopelessly addicted. If you know bars are closed and you still visit bars that are open taking the risk for arrest then yes your addicted.

 

Enjoy your beer on your balcony nobody said you can't drink. Just not in bars and mix with other people. 

If you know bars are closed and you still visit bars that are open taking the risk for arrest then yes your addicted.

 

Enjoy your beer on your balcony nobody said you can't drink. Just not in bars and mix with other people. 

2 hours ago, robblok said:

These lil mice with drugs and clogs must be a lot smarter then those alcohol users from that other country as I hardly see them making the news with drug offences while the same cannot be said from the people of the land of gentlemen.

 

I mean when you know there is a nation wide ban on opening bars and serving alcohol. You deserve all you get if you still break that rule especially when you know the spotlights are on you.

 

Just not a really smart thing to do if you like alcohol you can drink at home. This would be akin to an idiot from the land of clogs lighting a big joint up in public during a drug crackdown.

"I hardly see them making the news with drug offences while the same cannot be said from the people of the land of gentlemen"

Posssibly/PROBABLY due to the fact that "the land of gentlemen" does not have the laxity of Dutch law as far as drugs are concerned! :- 

"While recreational use, possession and trade of non-medicinal drugs described by the Opium Law are all technically illegal under Dutch law, official policy since the late 20th century has been to openly tolerate all recreational use while tolerating the other two under certain circumstances." 

33 minutes ago, Excel said:

I think you are overlooking a very important point. People standing in line for vaccination are not open to RTP extortion unlike the 3 guys having a drink, nor will it be the last. If anybody on this forum consider that the RTP's prime objective is to uphold the law, rather than pocket as much money as possible,  then I would suggest they need to seek help. 

I wasn't overlooking that very important observation, it's just that we weren't discussing corruption - that would come under a very different topic!

1 hour ago, robblok said:

God man learn to see the difference between essential things like hospitals and non essential things like drinking beer in bars.

 

Buying food and clothes is essential, beer in bars non essential. Getting jabs is vital. 

 

Seems you got your priorities totally wrong, what is it with people who can't live without a bar and alcohol. Its closed for a reason. When you drink alcohol you forget about the rules and its non essential. Its how this 3rd wave started.

So it's OK for hundreds (and I'm not exaggerating) of people to stand shoulder to shoulder for hours waiting for their jabs, or walking round crammed markets, but it's not OK for 2 or 3 people to have a drink together?

I am not saying that night clubs holding hundreds of people should fling their doors open to all and sundry! As you implied, that is possibly how one of these waves started -and I agree with you, for a change. But also an Army run boxing tournament was to blame for a surge in cases, and I don't think drink was involved there. But there is a big difference between a packed night club,  and a couple of mates having a drink and a chat together in a bar. You are obviously so anti drink that you probably won't see the logic there. I am an ex smoker, but I don't cough and splutter needlessly when someone lights a cigarette up somewhere between me and the moon, but a lot of ex smokers do!

The point I am making is that the way social distancing is applied is a farce, and this "witch hunt" against drinkers is a prime example. I sleep in the same bed as my wife, we ride to places together on a motor bike, but when we go to a restaurant/cafe we are supposed to sit with a dividing screen between us? 

6 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

it's not the drinking, it's the irresponsible behavior following the intake of the drug. There is ample evidence to that shows that folks just don't give a **** about anyone else when under its influence. As death rates rise daily in this country I would suggest to those who are hopelessly addicted to pack up and go back to the UK, which is now open for continuing their substance abuse way of life..

My, what a big horse! Another member of the "if you don't like it go home" club!

"As death rates rise daily in this country I would suggest to those who are hopelessly addicted to pack up and go back to the UK,"

So drinking is now responsible for the rising death rates in the country - as most of the bars in the country are closed, I would suggest that you need to find another "scapegoat" for your biased theory!

And from your tone, it would appear that you would be quite happy for all the bars to be closed permanently, as you imply that they are solely responsible for the rising death rates in the country? I'm sure the tourist industry and a lot of its employers/employees would really appreciate that move.

And I would also suggest that you don't seem to realise that a lot of tourism depends on the fact that an awful lot of people enjoy a (alcoholic) drink as part of their holiday - that is not to say they are "hopelessly addicted"!

So, have a nice day and enjoy your cuppa - I'm going for a beer on the balcony!

5 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

Well they should not have done it BUT how come we got more pictures inside this perverse den of iniquity than we did of the inside of the clubs in Thong Lor that are the supposed epicentre of wave 3.

 

Bias?

"perverse den of iniquity"

That's not a nice way to describe a police station - true or not!

2 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

The UK moved on and abolished the restrictive laws. Thailand went backwards and introduced them. Nothing really unusual in that.

A few years ago, Scotland decided to alter its drinking laws drastically, allowing additional hours for drinking.

Scotland (especially the big cities, Glasgow, Edinburgh etc) had a reputation for obnoxious drunks, and the cynics said that increasing the time allowed to drink in pubs/bars would make things even worse. 

However, in actual fact, the reverse happened, and the level of drunkenness (and related "anti social behaviour") actually went DOWN!

Whereas previously they only had 2 or 3 hours after work to "unwind", they now had 4 or 5 hours, so they took their time, and came out of the pubs/bars at closing time "semi sober" - maybe even before closing time!!! Also, the average drinker only has a certain amount of money to spend on his booze, so instead of 2 or 3 pints/whiskies an  hour, they were only consuming 1 or 2, hence " semi sobriety". 

England followed suit later, and also introduced "staggered" closing times for the late night drinking holes, which also had a positive effect on the rowdy behaviour.

31 minutes ago, car720 said:

500 baht and pick up a bottle of 285 on the way home.  What a joke.

Wrong!

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Did it also say that all of the murders, assaults, rapes etc were completed attended to..."

Which murders, assaults, rapes, etc., that were happening at the same time?

 

"...arresting 3 old men who if they were endangering anyone, they were endangering themselves".

No, it's not just that.  The point is that they were also endangering anyone that they and the Thai owner had contact with afterwards, and anyone else that they subsequently had contact with, ad infinitum.   Don't you understand how infections spread? 

You are talking as if they are known Covid carriers!

2 hours ago, tigerfeet said:

Exempt no but common sence should prevail in these uncertain times .a quick reminder and a stern warning and sent home would of suffice plus that would go a long way with police and people bonding.now it's all over the news and social media .not sent out the right vibes for future tourism has it

Correct! If Samui is to open for tourism on 1st July, the propoganda machine is going to be very busy! e.g.  "Come to Koh Samui for the experience of a lifetime!"

Well, if this "experience of a lifetime includes basic accommodation, (shabby, but functional?)  food, (fish head soup?) and have to pay an extortionate price for it before they let you out of the "hotel" for having an alcoholic drink or two, they might be struggling to get the "millions of visitors" that TAT have promised!!!

Once again, we see "British" mentioned rather than "foreigners"

Basically, they haven't got enough Astro Zeneca vaccine, but waffle on with lame excuses like "so that the supply of vaccines can be distributed more widely", and  " to reflect the changing situation" (The changing situation is that they are not producing/acquiring enough to fulfil the promises made already!)