frank83628

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

1. Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform

 

2. In 2014 80% of the Ukrainian public were in favour of closer ties with the EU

 

3. The Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement

 

4. Yanukovych pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be signed 

 

5. Members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to depose him as President

 

6. The Maïdan protests took place following these events

 

If you, RFK or anyone else denies that these events took place, then not only do you know less than me but you are living in an alternative universe.

 

It's ok to admit that you got something wrong. What is not ok is to deny the facts in order to act as an apologist for a despot.

 

You can repeat the western propaganda machine as much as you want, it doesn't  make it true.

Even after WMDs, 911, , Assad gassing his people, Gaddafi, Saddam's  babies in incubators, anthrax, you still vehemently back those that have lied to you and  been proven liars..  fool me once and all that, gullible. Com

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

I read what Trump said, and it wasn't really teasing. The man was rather decent and kind with his comment. He took the high road, and I honestly believe he understood the embarrassment of the event. Sure, he sort of squeezed a bit, but it is far milder than what some people's friends would say.

Very well said, he was diplomatic of an embarrassing situation.  But Trump

7 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Yes Dimitry 

Glad you agree old timer

The forum MSM warriors will say this is good and justified, if it were the other way round they'd be running round like headless chickens frothing like the anti trumpers  do

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

You mean these 'pathetic' people?

 

In a reversal, Trump bashes Catholic conservative activist Leonard Leo

 

President Donald Trump lambasted prominent conservative mega donor and Catholic, Leonard Leo, calling him a "sleazebag" and accusing Leo's Federalist Society of giving him “bad advice” on some judicial nominations.

 

The attack marks a notable and unexpected shift in the president's relationship with Leo. Trump particularly turned to Leo, along with the Federalist Society, a conservative and libertarian organization focused on the legal system that Leo co-chairs, for recommendations on judicial appointments. The most prominent of those were Supreme Court justices Neil Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh, all of whom Trump appointed to the court during his first term in office.

 

https://www.ncronline.org/news/reversal-trump-bashes-catholic-conservative-activist-leonard-leo

If you were replying to me, I mean anti Trump derangement sufferers as a collective 

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

 

Indeed, never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story.

 

Do you dispute that Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian public were overwhelming in favour of closer ties with the EU (>80% approval ratings)? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement formally establishing economic and political ties between the parties? Do you dispute that despite Parliamentary approval and his own campaign promises, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow which had imposed restrictions on Ukrainian imports - unilaterally pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be endorsed? Do you dispute that members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him as President in light of these events? Do you dispute that the Maidan protests were as a result of these events?

 

That is not opinion. That is fact. So If you do dispute any of that, then you are denying facts.

 

So while the US may well have funneled 5 billion into Ukraine and Victoria Nuland may well have discussed who the US's favoured Presidential replacement would be, the US did not orchestrate a coup, oust a democratically elected pro Russian leader and install a pro-EU one. The Ukrainian people ousted a President who had done a complete volte face and replaced him with someone who would implement the will of over 80% of the electorate.

 

Accept reality, take your heads out of the sand and stop acting as apologists for Putin.

Yes, I dispute all the western propaganda you wrote.

RFK only yesterday spoke about the US coup and NATO expansion to Putins borders, and how the US provoked the war.

do you think you know more than him when it comes to Ukraine? Do I believe someone that is in US government or someone on an expat forum that reads the bbc

Trump hardly 'weighed in' on the subject. He was asked a question and gave a neutral answer, was this even post worthy?

2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

So he's bad for applying the tariffs then he's bad for not applying the tariffs?  It sounds like people are just looking for ways to pretend that Trump is bad.

Yeah, they're pathetic, the sooner Derangement syndome is recognised as a mental health issue the better

14 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

he would ban everything 
 

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/russia-bans-memes-comparing-putin-to-hitler-1748619637.html

 

What total BS. 

13 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Although the US may have fanned the flames, the Maiden Revolution was not initiated by the US.

 

The fire was lit by ordinary Ukrainian citizens taking to the streets to object to Yanukovych ignoring the platform on which he was elected i.e. to develop closer economic ties with the EU, and instead doing a complete volte face and - under pressure from Moscow - aligning Ukraine economically with Russia.

 

This root cause of this war is economic, with a dose of Putin's belief in a Greater Russia comprising of Belarus and Ukraine thrown in for good measure.

 

Pre-war Ukraine was Russia's third biggest trading partner (behind China and the EU). Russia had been pressurising Ukraine to join a customs union with it for some time. Instead, Ukraine looked West and sought closer ties with the EU, something that Putin was unable to accept as it would be a major blow to the Russian economy; hence, the escalation of hostilities towards Ukraine starting in 2014. The invasion in 2022 was the end result.

 

You can introduce as many non sequiturs as you like. The truth of the matter is that Russia was the instigator of this war.

The US funneled 5 billion into Ukraine, the US orchestrated the coup, Victoria Nuland is on recorded telephone conversation discussing who they will put in power..

The US ousted the democratically elected pro Russian leader and installed a pro western/ EU one 

7 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

mmm what's a dude we don't use that word in the UK is it a norm Yank term ?

You do if below 50 yrs of age

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

you forgot to mention the russian infiltrated in the forum @frank83628 thus agree with the 3 of them

Thanks for the shout out. Didn't realise the forum only allowed certain countries

12 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

trolling again... not surprised as when you get caught on lies the only alternative is TROLL

It was all the comment warranted 

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

I agree with your sentiments. The dying should never have started. That it did is down to one man and his supporters. That it won't stop is down to the same cabal.

There was more than 1 man involved in the  US funded coup of 2014

Because many are obnoxious PRI___ that think they're better than others

3 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

Oh here we go, another numpty that doesn't get it. As I said to the other guy, I CBF trying to explain simple things to the peanut gallery.

No, because what you wrote is <deleted>.

19 hours ago, Lemsta69 said:

 

What's not to love, are you serious? Taxi mafia, dual pricing, filthy streets that smell like a sewer, soi dogs, poor service, ignorance, corruption, ridiculous beer and wine prices, tiered pricing at hospitals. You're insane if your consider those things to be "great".

I bet you have welcomed that corruption at some point over the years, be it drink driving, prostitution, afterhours drinking or border entry.

What utopia did you live in before?

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Russia didnt announce to the west that they would attack us online, they just started doing it

Its a safe assumption that all countries have their cyber "defence" deparments. And spy agencies aka "intelligence" 

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Amazing that the posters in this topic who are supporting Russia are also MAGA boys. Do we need any more proof that their master is a Putin puppet/

Not amazing the anti Trumpets in this topic are also the war mongers, not seeking peace.

I supported Putin way before Trump came along.

I want the war to end and people to stop dying, unlike the decrepit keyboard warriors on here, stuck in the cold war era 

11 hours ago, bannork said:

Another example of Taco by the look of things:

The United States of America may withdraw from the negotiation process to resolve the full-scale war in Ukraine if White House leader Donald Trump believes he is being "used," warns White House Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg on ABC News.

"I think when you talk about walking away if he believes he's being used and that there is no hope in progress going forward, he goes: 'We’re done with this. Europe, we leave it over to you'," Kellogg stated, commenting on Trump’s threats to exit the negotiation process.

Trump's team threatens to exit Ukraine negotiations amid growing rift

The Biden puppeteers fuelled the war, why should Trump walk away.

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Trump didn’t invade Ukraine but he sure is one of putins greatest assets no doubt about that…..remember the other day saying he was going to sanction Russia 500% then did the TACO in less than 12 hours?I sure do.Ell regardless I’d love to see putin go away Russia get out of Ukraine and rejoin the world.

Because he got the info about Putins helicopter coming under drone attack. Sobit was retaliation. 

Do you think the US or UK, or any country  would just sit back if their leaders had an assassination attempt? 🤡