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8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I don't really get where you're coming from. Passing resolutions or not, no matter what the U.N. structure, is not the same thing as passed resolutions being enforced. This resolution will not be enforced and the U.N. does go after Israel with absurdly more enthusiasm (and frequency) than other misbehaving members doing much, much worse. Just look up the numbers about that, they don't lie. 

99% of resolutions concerning Israel get vetoed by the USA. Resolutions trying to stop bloodshed in Syria, South Sudan, and other Countries tend to be vetoed by Russia or China and sometimes the USA and Britain. Mostly because it jeopardizes  their Arms exports and perceived sphere of influences. The big players are not interested in peace just a piece of the Action

50 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Or another question: how many countries has Russia invaded and taken over during the past 100 years?  The list is rather long.

And all have left with their tails between their legs. It is not just the Russian Winters or long Supply lines that sap them it is the Russian mentality to Scorch and burn rather than surrender. In WW2 the Russians made every City a Fortress this caused the Germans delays and heavy casualties while giving the Russians . Time to more their war production East of the Urals.

The German intelligence was based on the Assumptions gained from the Winter war between Russia and Finland. What the Germans did not realise was the Soviet Armies were reorganising and equiping when they attacked. Yes the destroyed the Russian Frontier Armies and Airforce but only the oldest stuff the Russian left facing the west. The T34, KV1, Srturmovik and Yak Fighters plus the Russian PPSh41 and Tokarev rifle came as a shock to the German. Underestimating the Russian Military has cost many Nations over the Centuries. 

5 minutes ago, CharlieK said:

there is no one state solution. No one is talking about a one state solution but you. Without some external support a self sufficient palestinian state is not viable.  

 

 

Israel is not viable without massive US financial Support

35 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Almost 80% of Palestinian territory was annexed and under Israeli military control between end of 1947 till end of 1948.

 

If that was anywhere near a correct statement, it would mean that the West Bank and the Gaza Strip constitute 20% of the intended Palestinian state - seeing as these were not conquered by Israel until 1967. The only way in which this nonsense carries any meaning is if one holds the opinion that all the land in question is Palestinian. That is a hardcore rejectionist position out of tune with the UNSC resolution. The same goes for the "colonial" nonsense, or asserting that there was a Jewish "conquest" prior to around the time when the partition plan was announced.

 

 

The resolution itself calls for an end to Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. These were Palestinian designated prior to 1967. Nothing in the resolution talks about Israeli land. As a New Zealander I am proud My Country co sponsored this bill. In New Zealand Religious Groups hold little influence in Our Secular Society and Long may it reign. The move is about fairness. Something proponents on both Sides of the Arab/Israeli divide often forget. Both must be prepared to give. This should not mean more Palestinian Land. But on the Palestinian side an end to Terrorism and Rocket attacks. On the Israeli side an end to encroachment of Land and a return to the 1967 Borders. Just as in Northern Ireland there must be the willingness to compromise or else there is no road to peace. And neither can live in safety

39 minutes ago, hawker9000 said:

"The world has spoken"   yadda, yadda, yadda

 

The world has also spoken on China's annexation of two entire oceans, and "the world" isn't going to do a thing about it.  The "world" also didn't lift a finger when the arabs tried to overrun Israel in 1967.    If China, who's blatantly just stealing resources for its own use, doesn't have to pay any attention, why should Israel have to pay any more attention to a world turned Jew-hating (again) simply because it's been intimidated by terrorism?   Trump will likely reverse all this, and give "the Obama legacy" the cremation it deserves.

 

Bravo.

 

      

Objecting to Israeli occupation, and annexing of Arab Land is not anti Jewish, Objecting to Chinese encroachment on Other Nations Sovereignty in the South China Sea is not Chinese Hating. The World body in regards to Israel has simply reaffirmed its previous stance. It is a Sad thing that We do not have an effective mechanism to stop Nations when they exceed the bounds of Civility. Sadly Countries Like China, Russia the USA and others have little to no regard for International Law and only do what is in their Own self interest regardless of what impoverished people or Small States they trample on. 

10 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

It can't and it won't be and soon there will be a new sherrif in town that is a friend of Israel. Obama waited until he had only a few weeks in town before ignoring the will of the American people - shameful.

With Trump entering the White House we have another 4 years of an American stabilised democratic Middle East. Like they have done so well so far. 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

As was predictable in any Israel political topic, the HARD CORE Israel demonizing rhetoric comes out of the closet that it's not in. Suggesting an equivalence between modern Israel and Nazi Germany is Jew hating hate speech. Once you go there, you lose all chance of having any reasoned discussion on these matters.. 

Define a Jew Hater. I suspect you are a hater of Islam. I personally have no issue with any Human being as long as they live by the credos. Of Do unto others as you wish done to you.

I do not have problems with israelis unless they transgress against my Country which they have. I have met quite a few israelis. My view on the Settlements is not based on race but One side more powerful with a big Thug Supporter that physically bullies out its neighbour. Don't label people you do not know me or others. You assume! An old saying never assume less you make an Ass out of You and Me!

4 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

I like them all on that list, but start with this one:

 

1. Signing a congressional declaration that the UN Security Council resolution is not United States policy. Congress could quickly pass, and President Trump would sign, a declaration that the previous administration had no mandate to allow the UN Security Council resolution to pass. The declaration could affirm prior U.S. policy that some areas in the West Bank will always be under Israeli control — or it could even leave the status of the West Bank open to potential Israeli annexation.

Is this so Israel can have lebensraum.  Sounds very much like the actions of a previous Government in Germany. Maybe Israel should just annex the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Good luck assimilating the populations. First you steal the land then you eliminate (cast out , exterminate) the previous inhabitants. A dangerous path and Policy. And will keep the USA tarred as a supporter of Genocide. The West Bank and Gaza strip are Palestinian. East Jerusalem is its Capital. Israel is an occupying and hegemonous  State. There can be no peace on this path. For their Part the Palestinians must rein in their support for Extremism. Both Sides Policies only further the divide and make rapprochement impossible  . The Sponsors of the Bill sought to stop One side while also saying the other must move to curb violence.

4 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Five Ways Trump Could Avenge the Anti-Israel UN Vote

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/23/five-ways-trump-will-avenge-anti-israel-un-vote/

 

First 100 days, big things are going to happen! 

You can get flatulence tablets for that. But i am sure his Nanny can change his Diapers

13 hours ago, TVGerry said:

As Putin was strengthening Russia's military, Obama was cutting back on America's.

 

Thanks Obama!

USA cutting back? I am sure that would help health and education if true. Russia's budget is still much smaller than the USA

12 minutes ago, LammyTS1 said:

Oh I see, and how many potential Buddhist or Christian bomb attacks have been prevented over the past week?
How many Christian & Buddhist terror attacks have prevailed within Germany & Australia recently?
The press can be so right wing as they never print stories about the Klu Klux Klan and their terrorist bombings in Europe & Australia. Why is that? We never hear about the KKK and their worldwide terrorist network killing hundreds of people on a daily basis?



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I believe in the West a non Muslim terrorist is called mentally deranged!

3 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

Actually, there is evidence as in the recent case of Disney, the American employers hire foreign workers under the HB1 program when plenty of American workers are available.  The HB1 visa system is being systematically abused.

It is my opinion here in New Zealand that Employers prefer and hire Foreign workers over Locals because Foreigners are easier to control and bully and generally do not gripe about their wages. By this method they also keep the Domestic wage lower. I would think US Employers would do the same to keep labour cost down.

The facts are if Europe, America , Russia and China had not meddled in the middle East for the past 70 years it would be stable. There would not be a great outflow of refugees to the West.The seeds were sown and now we are reaping the harvest. 

A thai comedian. Mr Soy Bean

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

Are you a Maori?

Mixed Bro

1 minute ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

I tried to edit earlier, to add....

 

The British colonized/settled both Australia and New Zealand, so what went wrong?  Whatever It Is/was, Australians blame the Brits.

 

I'm surprised you haven't made the convict connotation/connection, the same old chestnut......again!!

I never throw in that Old Chestnut because I have Australian relatives. But i am sure some of the Old that you treat people worse than you yourself were treated my have had some bearing on the treatment of Aboriginals

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

No, it's written history, but so what? I'm not responsible for what happened over 200 years ago, any more than a Spaniard living today is responsible for the genocide of the Incas.

I may be wrong but I seem to recall the last Tasmanian Native died in South Australia in 1918 so not 200 years ago Cobber

Just now, giddyup said:

Do you have any idea how much money has been thrown at the aboriginal problem over the last 50 years? How many white people devote their lives to helping with aboriginal health, education, employment etc? We aren't living in the past and we aren't responsible for the sins of our fathers, and aboriginals are going to have to make some effort to stand on their own feet and not rely on government handouts, or "sit down money" as they like to call it.  Too easy to blame the white man for your own shortcomings, as American blacks like to do.

I guess since I come from a Multicultural integrated Society yes I can look across the ditch and review your mistakes and Ours. But as a Kiwi I know all too much about racism in Australia . Not 50 years ago not 10 but now!

2 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

Well you've fallen for the left wing hype. You're obviously not Australian, or If you are, you lack an understanding of the real situation.

 

The aboriginals were fortunate It was the BroItish, mot the Spanish or Dutch who colonized Australia.  If so, there would be none left.

 

I think, If you wish to post on this thread, that you should google the deceased's name and get some background Info.

 

Unable to edit typos.

So you deny the genocide on Tasmania? 

But technically Japan and Russia are still out war. No ceasefire or surrender or treaty has been signed

14 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It's not a matter of removing them.  Its's a matter of making it too costly for them to keep thumbing their nose at International Law.  

 

Like Japan in the '30s.  The parallels are striking. 

So you are saying then that like in the 1930's the USA has a policy of attempting to Bully China into either backing down or striking first as the Japanese decided to do in 1941. Be careful what you wish for.

35 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

Another emotive presentation of the facts by the left wing press.

 

 

As one who has had a lot to do with aboriginal communities, admittedly 30 years ago now, my assessment is they are a race with no/little hope.  As a race they are without any drive or ambition.

 

If as much money had been invested in the white population, every white would have a PhD from Harvard.

 

 

Europeans came in , In droves and hunted the Aboriginal like you would wild animals. You took their land and desecrated their sacred places. This encroachment continues to this day. Had the Aboriginal had the Europeans engage with them as the Settlers in New Zealand did with the local Maori people the problems would be less. The alcoholism and apathy among Aboriginals in Australia is a direct result of continuing racial oppression, sidelining and marginalisation by Australia's ruling race. Not only do they do it the Aboriginal who are at the bottom. But it is projected to non European immigrants as well now to New Zealanders. Far from being the lucky Country I would consider Australia an arrogant failed state. And One day all the chickens will come home to roost.

52 minutes ago, tezzainthailand said:

A rant? If you haven't lived in Australia, particularly in areas where Aboriginal people live you wouldn't have any idea of what's been going in.  It's another world for Aboriginal people.  The recent revelation of the youth in detention, hooded, held in an air conditioned cell without a blanket, sleep deprivation etc., Australia's own Guantanamo Bay in the Northern Territory.  The Aboriginal man transported in extreme heat for hours in a locked police van only to die during his journey, basically cooked to death.  These are all recent incidents and then there is what we haven't been told.  Casual Thai racism, calling us farangs, nothing compared to what Australia's original people are still having to put up with.

Australian Aboriginals were only considered wards of the state and only reclassified as people in 1974. 

If China begins impeding the flow of shipping through the South China Sea then there will be an International issue. Thus far china is just posturing and bullying weaker neighbours

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