dick dasterdly

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Like I said, law clearly told you and everyone what to expect and not to expect from the referendum: that it is non-binding advisory only. I cannot find anything in the links you posted negating that fact. 

Perhaps they should have told the electorate, rather than claiming in their leaflet that their vote would be acted upon?

"only advisory" only came up after remain lost the referendum vote.....

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Unfortunately no she isn't.

I have no idea where this is going...yet!

I do (but obviously it's only my opinion) she is desperately searching for a BRINO that will prevent an exodus of voters towards Farage's new party.

I never had any time for UKIP previously, but will vote for his new party at the next GE - unless they come out with something obviously awful.

Much like May at the last GE!  Why on earth did they come out with a few policies that would so obviously alienate a number of voters?

28 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

1. Read the second sentence in your post I originally replied to. In which you refer to 2 parties' manifestos. The whole point of Britain's representative democracy is exactly that - to elect people (hopefully) with the knowledge and skills to make informed decisions, which mat not be what everyone wants or likes, but which they deem best for the nation. Constituencies are designed to try to give fair representations to all. It's not, never has and never will be an absolute democracy. Referendums are no more than advisory. The government and parliament had a duty to explore the advice expressed in the referendum before voting on it.

 

2. I didn't comment on the make up of any deal. I said it would have been smart to have thoroughly investigated all the options, deals and no deal, understood the consequences and debate them before triggering Article 50 and putting a time pressure on. Due diligence rather than jumping in without a clue.

 

3. They might be lazy and self interested, but not stupid. Very few think May's deal is acceptable as demonstrated by her record loss when she put it to the vote!

 

4. No one voted for a hard Brexit and those politicians that supported it have in the main demonstrated they have no plan, no idea what to do, and can only snipe and criticize. We are still waiting for their long promised Plan B. And you want to put one in charge of the government? Maybe you should widen your vision. Governing is more than just Brexit.

 

 

 

 

"to elect people (hopefully) with the knowledge and skills to make informed decisions, which mat not be what everyone wants or likes, but which they deem best for the nation."

And that's precisely where the concept falls down, as they only care about themselves. Plus, they only have knowledge and skills in certain areas (like everyone else) - and I repeat, they only care about themselves!

"They might be lazy and self interested, but not stupid. Very few think May's deal is acceptable as demonstrated by her record loss when she put it to the vote!"

Quite, they realised that the may/eu deal was not going to work with the electorate - and so took the self-interested route, trying to stop brexit another way - hoping that the electorate wouldn't notice....

4 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Just wondering if there maybe any spare generals going later this month or a home grown one to restore some order to this shit shambles???? 

Nah, it will be down to the electorate to sort this mess out - and hopefully they will at the next GE.

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Dick, no deal is still on the table, last nights vote was purely advisory (irony alert), when MPs triggered art 50 in law they were voting for a deal or failing that, leaving without a deal. The only way to get no deal off the table is to agree to a deal or revoke art 50.

Obviously, but it's even more obvious that MPs are doing everything within their power (without losing their seats....) to find a way around this!

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

A lot of MPs took May's line in that, whilst no deal is on the table, it gives a bargaining chip to the UK when dealing with the EU. Laughable.

 

There are only 47 MPs, Moggy's ERG group, who would be happy with a no deal exit.

Taking no deal off the table obviously reduces the uk's bargaining power....

But agree with your second para. - whilst the electorate voted to leave, the vast majority of MPs feel differently and will do everything possible to stop this happening.

Unfortunately for many MPs, they will have to face the electorate eventually - and more than a few, have fears of losing their seats if they obviously support remain!

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given that Brexit was financed by tax shy billionaires and multimillionaires (aided by £millions of imported money of unknown provenance) and hedgefund managers, your second paragraph needs some support in the form of facts.

And precisely who supported the remain cause?

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Me..put me down as " racist " grandad..as I'm anti muslim

 

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

You should join forces with grouse....

16 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread."

 

????  I think you need to provide evidence to support this appalling slur!

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sorry, it was said tongue in cheek after your comment that it was wrong and not normal to allow my 6 year old son to sleep in the same bed as me.

Please try to get your quotes in order.  I never said anything of the sort.

Edit - You presumably meant another poster.

9 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I've asked the same question numerous times on various thereads and always get similar answers. Brexiteers voted with ther hearts, not their heads and now can't justify their vote.

The 'how does it benefit you personally' has been asked a few times.  The problem is that most of us are relatively wealthy  - but still care about the poorest in the uk.

Those of us living in Thailand have been hit badly by the fall in exchange rates - but still care about the poorest in the uk whose wages (in real terms) are ever decreasing - partly as a result of immigration from poor eu countries.

42 minutes ago, Spidey said:

If I tell you will you be my best friend forever? No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread.

 

By their own calculation, around 70. It's not possible to give a precise number as they are not obliged to declare their membership. The group is known as the ERG (European Research Group) and is chaired by Moggy.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/erg-brexit-group-members-jacob-rees-mogg-explained/

"No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread."

????  I think you need to provide evidence to support this appalling slur!

29 minutes ago, Spidey said:

What's the problem with a second referendum? I thought that Brexiteers were supremely confident that they would win by an even bigger margin this time.

The problems are that:-

1) We've already had a referendum, the result of which was to leave

2) why should there be another referendum when we've already had one

3) you can bet your bottom dollar that a new referendum will be along the lines of that suggested by another poster.  i.e. a secondary vote between remain/leave/accept May and the eu's deal.

Remain and accept May/eu deal is pretty much the same thing  - albeit paying 39bn for the privilege.....

59 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Without Honda, Nissan and Toyota and with the City financial institutions already moving to Luxembourg, UK will be lucky to make the top 10.

 

Perhaps Putin will take pity and annexe England.

15 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

He's not done a bad job of annexing the brains of some of our compatriots with his troll farms and disinformation campaigns. Reminds me of when Castro got rid of his criminals to the US in the 80s by framing it as refugees from Communism.  

These types of comments seriously annoy me.....

How on earth can anyone believe that Putin managed to brainwash more than 17m voters???

Perhaps a few youngsters are addicted to reading and believing everything they are told on FB etc. - but certainly not older voters!